Alternate LRM Carriers

[Hellraiser]

So, not sure how it happened but I got to thinking about the LRM Carrier & went off on some ideas.

1.  For all the upgrades to the 3058 LRM Carrier it took a major Speed hit & could anything have been done to avoid that?

2.  Wouldn't it be interesting if you had "Medium" Carriers that used the same engine as the 60T model?

3.  Find a reason to use LRM10's on something.   Yeah, yeah, we all know they are the worst launcher.  I-don't-care!  I used them :)


Same ammo, electronics, & weaponry as the canon upgrade, but, instead of speed we sacrifice throw weight.

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LRM Carrier - NoGoSlow

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3053
Dry Cost: 2,272,000 C-Bills
Total Cost: 2,572,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,003

Power Plant: InterComBust 180 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor: Simple Armor Plate Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  LRM-20s w/ Artemis IV FCS
    1  C3 Computer (Slave)
    1 Unknown CASE
Manufacturer: Aldis industries, Joint Equipment Systems, Quickscell Company
    Primary Factory: Terra (Aldis), Alshain (JES), various (Quickscell)
Communications System: Communicator
Targeting and Tracking System: FireScan with IndirecTrack

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      24 points                6.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                180                      14.00
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         3.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 134                  7.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     40       
                                          Left/Right   35/35       
                                                Rear     24       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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2 LRM-20s                                    FR        12        2        20.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           FR        -         0         2.00
(R) C3 Computer (Slave)                      RR        0         1         1.00
CASE                                         BD        -         1         0.50
@LRM-20 (12)                                 BD        -         0         2.00
@LRM-20 (Narc) (6)                           BD        -         0         1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (18)                       BD        -         0         3.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 10
3t         2       4       4       0      3     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: C3S, CASE, EE, IF 3I really like this one because despite a reduction in throw weight per turn, the tank can actually take a hit or 2, which is TOTALLY needed since using Artemis & C3 means your NOT hiding behind hills like w/ the original LRM Carrier.


Same Engine, Half the throw weight, but way better armor, & price tag $$ :)

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Medium LRM Carrier

Mass: 45 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-C-C-C
Production Year: 2999
Dry Cost: 819,250 C-Bills
Total Cost: 909,250 C-Bills
Battle Value: 656

Power Plant: InterComBust 180 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor: Simple Armor Plate Standard Armor
Armament:
    3  LRM-10s
Manufacturer: Aldis industries, Joint Equipment Systems, Quickscell Company
    Primary Factory: Terra (Aldis), Alshain (JES), various (Quickscell)
Communications System: Communicator
Targeting and Tracking System: FireScan with IndirecTrack

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      20 points                4.50
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                180                      14.00
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  96                  6.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     31       
                                          Left/Right   22/22       
                                                Rear     21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 LRM-10s                                    FR        12        3        15.00
@LRM-10 (36)                                 BD        -         0         3.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 7
4t         1       2       2       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, LRM 1/2/2, IF 2

Ever since I've heard of the Rolling Thunder Brand I've wanted to see it as a Wheeled Carrier
Kind of surprised that the 5 extra tons negated the price drop for going wheeled.
Same engine again, but 5 tons bigger for a wheeled chassis so there is an even bigger armor upgrade.

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Wheeled LRM Carrier Rolling Thunder Brand

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-C-C-C
Production Year: 2999
Dry Cost: 925,000 C-Bills
Total Cost: 1,015,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 724

Power Plant: InterComBust 200 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor: Simple Armor Plate Standard Armor
Armament:
    3  LRM-10s
Manufacturer: Aldis industries, Joint Equipment Systems, Quickscell Company
    Primary Factory: Terra (Aldis), Alshain (JES), various (Quickscell)
Communications System: Communicator
Targeting and Tracking System: FireScan with IndirecTrack

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      20 points                5.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                200                      17.00
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 120                  7.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     37       
                                          Left/Right   31/31       
                                                Rear     21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 LRM-10s                                    FR        12        3        15.00
@LRM-10 (36)                                 BD        -         0         3.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 7
4t         1       2       2       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, LRM 1/2/2, IF 2

Next up, to use an existing Civil War Era / Periphery made platform, a simple variant for same # of missiles but longer range.

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Light SRM Carrier (LRM)

Mass: 40 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D-C
Production Year: 3061
Dry Cost: 607,000 C-Bills
Total Cost: 787,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 563

Power Plant: InterComBust 140 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    3  LRM-10s
Manufacturer: Pinard Protectorates Limited
    Primary Factory: Perdition
Communications System: Communicator
Targeting and Tracking System: FireScan with IndirecTrack

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      20 points                4.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                140                      10.00
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  72                  4.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     16       
                                          Left/Right   14/14       
                                              Turret     16       
                                                Rear     12       

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Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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3 LRM-10s                                    T         12        3        15.00
@LRM-10 (12)                                 BD        -         0         1.00
@LRM-10 (Narc) (12)                          BD        -         0         1.00
@LRM-10 (Semi-G) (12)                        BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 6
4w         1       2       2       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(1/2/2, LRM 1/2/2, IF 1/2/2), LRM 1/2/2, IF 2

Same # of tubes again for WYSIWYG feel, but greater versatility of ranges & specialty ammo type at the expense of total ammo endurance at any given task.

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Light SRM Carrier (MML3)

Mass: 40 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3070
Dry Cost: 787,000 C-Bills
Total Cost: 917,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 562

Power Plant: InterComBust 140 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    10  MML-3s
Manufacturer: Pinard Protectorates Limited
    Primary Factory: Perdition
Communications System: Communicator
Targeting and Tracking System: FireScan with IndirecTrack

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      20 points                4.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                140                      10.00
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  72                  4.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     16       
                                          Left/Right   14/14       
                                              Turret     16       
                                                Rear     12       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
10 MML-3s                                    T         20        10       15.00
@MML-3 (LRM Semi-G) (40)                     BD        -         0         1.00
@MML-3 (SRM) (33)                            BD        -         0         1.00
@MML-3 (SRM Inferno) (33)                    BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 6
4w         4       3       2       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(4/3/2, SRM 4/3/2, LRM 4/3/2, IF 4/3/2), SRM 4/2/0, LRM 0/2/2, IF 2

[DevianID]

The light SRM (lrm version) i really dig.  It uses an existing chassis id like to see more of.  I also agree 3 LRM10s is thematically appropriate, despite being the worst.  The MML version I think could use some upgrades, seeing as MMLs are later tech.  If you could fit more ammo using Ferro or a fuel cell it would feel MML Jihad era appropriate.

[Daryk]

Given the MML-3 version, I don't see a reason to avoid an LRM-5 one at lower tech... ;)

[Hellraiser]

Given the MML-3 version, I don't see a reason to avoid an LRM-5 one at lower tech... ;)

I debated MML3 for WYSIWYG v/s MML5 for flat out even swaps w/ the SRM6s

The LRM10 was really just a goal to make use of it, that said LRM5 won't match the 15 tons of guns so then I'd have extra for Ammo/Armor & I was just tinkering w/ minor weapon swaps.

LRM10's do have 1 advantage over LRM5's.
On Combat Vees & IIRC ASF? where your "slots" are limited.
That said, to use up those slots & yet still have tonnage for even a single LRM10 requires a fairly limited selection of vehicle sizes

[garhkal]

How's about one with half a dozen up to ten LRM-5s!!!

[Hellraiser]

How's about one with half a dozen up to ten LRM-5s!!!

3.  Find a reason to use LRM10's on something.   Yeah, yeah, we all know they are the worst launcher.  I-don't-care!  I used them :)

:)


PS.
For the record there is a canon LRM-5 Carrier from the TRO3026 fluff that House Liao used in the succession wars.
We have no idea what it looks like, but there is one out there, somewhere, with no RS.

[Daryk]

I don't remember... has that one been mentioned in the "really unseen" thread?

[Hellraiser]

I don't remember... has that one been mentioned in the "really unseen" thread?

I assumed yes since it has been around forever, but after digging to find that thread, I don't see it, so I mentioned it.

I also went ahead & threw in the Aldis Industries & Wolf Dragoon LRM/SRM Carriers that have different names, though that could just be "branding" v/s different stats like the LRM-5 clearly is.

[Daryk]

Thanks for following up over there!  I'm sure that team will have an answer one way or the other... :)