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bobthecoward

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when does the current interstellar war end?
« on: 14 October 2024, 12:15:12 »
I wanted to see how long each of the interstellar wars lasted.

The current interstellar war at 20 years has outlasted the reunification, fourth succession wars (I like to count that one through 3040), Amaris civil war.

About 35 years as the first, second succession wars. And let's call the 3050-3085 era the fifth succession wars, because that was the effective intent of the clans and word of Blake.

Do current hostilities make it to 3167 and tie the length of these conflicts? Three times previous the inner sphere lost steam at that point, could it continue beyond?

Thinking of 3167, I think it stops before. Everyone is just so depleted already. My bet is about 3160.

Also, I think if it needs a name, sixth succession war is as good as any.

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #1 on: 14 October 2024, 13:17:47 »
I'm not sure that the current situation could be characterized as one overarching war, but a whole series of smaller, relatively lower-intensity wars going on all at the same time (The FWL reunion tour, the brushfires in the Hinterlands, the Suns kicking the Kurita squatters off of their territory, the big Ghost Bear kerfluffle, the Canopians finally laying the smack down on those Roman cosplay posers, and Wolves vs pretty much everybody), kinda like what you had with the Third Succession War as opposed to the massive conflagration of the First.

Or to put it in historic terms, it's more like the sporadic discrete wars in the 18th century between France and England that some liken to a proto-World War -- Queen Anne's War, the Seven Years' War, the French and Indian war, the American Revolution, etc. -- than it is the Thirty Years' War or the total war against Napoleon.

So it may be that there is no "expiration date" to the current state of war, because the fighting is of such relatively low intensity that the various combatants aren't going to quicky "tire" of it. Certainly the House Lords by and large aren't going to worry about public opinion and anti-war sentiment (particularly Kurita and Liao) if such exists, and the industrial and military bases may be able to make good losses.

And let's face it, from a meta perspective, it wouldn't be profitable for Catalyst if a pandemic of peace were to break out across the Inner Sphere :laugh:

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #2 on: 14 October 2024, 13:53:35 »
You want peace???

In a war game???

with GIANT ROBOTS?????

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #3 on: 14 October 2024, 13:55:57 »
You want peace???

In a war game???

with GIANT ROBOTS?????

The Capellan makes rational sense. A sentence, as a Marik and Davion fan, I thought I would never utter... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #4 on: 14 October 2024, 14:31:30 »
You want peace???

In a war game???

with GIANT ROBOTS?????

Yes. Reunification war is one of my favorite sourcebooks, but it and the first succession war sourcebooks make me sad in a way the others do not....(operation Klondike kinda makes me laugh).


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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #5 on: 14 October 2024, 14:49:00 »
I wanted to see how long each of the interstellar wars lasted.

The current interstellar war at 20 years has outlasted the reunification, fourth succession wars (I like to count that one through 3040), Amaris civil war.

About 35 years as the first, second succession wars. And let's call the 3050-3085 era the fifth succession wars, because that was the effective intent of the clans and word of Blake.

Do current hostilities make it to 3167 and tie the length of these conflicts? Three times previous the inner sphere lost steam at that point, could it continue beyond?

Thinking of 3167, I think it stops before. Everyone is just so depleted already. My bet is about 3160.

Also, I think if it needs a name, sixth succession war is as good as any.

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #6 on: 14 October 2024, 16:04:01 »
There's never been a point in BattleTech's history when one faction wasn't at war with another faction, even if wasn't declared and action was limited to border raids.
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #7 on: 14 October 2024, 16:24:21 »
There's never been a point in BattleTech's history when one faction wasn't at war with another faction, even if wasn't declared and action was limited to border raids.

Capellans and Davion

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FWL and FWL

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #8 on: 14 October 2024, 17:42:32 »
Capellans and Davion

Kurita and Davion

Lyrans and Kuritans

Clans and Everyone

Taurians and Davions

Periphery and Pirates

FWL and FWL

They're all fighting somebody

Andurien and FWL

Andurien and Liao

Steiner-Davion and Steiner-Davion

FWL and Liao

Word of Blake and Everybody

ComStar and independent scientists

Hanseatic League and not being left alone

Nebula California and sanity...
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #9 on: 14 October 2024, 21:38:37 »
The closest we got to actual peace was like... 3085 to 3103. Even then, as pointed out, there would still be raiding

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #10 on: 14 October 2024, 21:49:24 »
Andurien and FWL

Andurien and Liao

Steiner-Davion and Steiner-Davion

FWL and Liao

Word of Blake and Everybody

ComStar and independent scientists

Hanseatic League and not being left alone

Nebula California and sanity...

And lets not forget the "best" era of Battletech, when it was:

FWL and FWL and FWL and FWL and FWL. In the end, FWL won, sorta. And still managed to lose.
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #11 on: 14 October 2024, 22:19:50 »
And lets not forget the "best" era of Battletech, when it was:

FWL and FWL and FWL and FWL and FWL. In the end, FWL won, sorta. And still managed to lose.

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #12 on: 14 October 2024, 22:33:10 »
The closest we got to actual peace was like... 3085 to 3103. Even then, as pointed out, there would still be raiding

The Second Ghost Bear/Combine War (3098-3101).
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #13 on: 14 October 2024, 23:35:20 »
Yeah, that was just the IS/Clans going from from SW 2 level of total war back to SW 3 level of we are still killing each other but going to hold back so we don't smash whats left.
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #14 on: 15 October 2024, 06:21:02 »
Yeah, that was just the IS/Clans going from from SW 2 level of total war back to SW 3 level of we are still killing each other but going to hold back so we don't smash whats left.

the difference between untold suffering and told suffering.

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #15 on: 15 October 2024, 11:21:42 »

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #16 on: 15 October 2024, 13:30:10 »
The Clan Invasion was the Fifth Succession War and it ended on 3151 when Clan Wolf reformed (in their eyes) the Third Star League.  The Sixth Succession War has not started yet.

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #17 on: 15 October 2024, 15:01:31 »
Not really sure how you have a period of war end when there's multiple governments that just do not recognize the right of other governments to exist.

...Well, I mean, there's ONE way...


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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #18 on: 15 October 2024, 15:12:55 »
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #19 on: 15 October 2024, 15:28:14 »
The closest we got to actual peace was like... 3085 to 3103. Even then, as pointed out, there would still be raiding

Almost every border shifted between 3085 and 3130, some substantially. Stone's Peace was always a lie.

The Clan Invasion was the Fifth Succession War and it ended on 3151 when Clan Wolf reformed (in their eyes) the Third Star League.  The Sixth Succession War has not started yet.

I disagree. Operation REVIVAL was the Fifth Succession War, yes, but it ended at Tukayyid. There was then a fifteen-year break until the Sixth Succession War, also known as the Jihad, which ended in 3081 with the creation of the Republic of the Sphere. Then there was a fifty-year gap before the Seventh Succession War, which began with Gray Monday and ended with Clan Wolf's conquering of Terra. The current period is another time of consolidation before the Eighth Succession War - the ilClan's crusade to unify the Inner Sphere under the Third Star League - begins.
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #20 on: 15 October 2024, 16:15:22 »
There's never been a point in BattleTech's history when one faction wasn't at war with another faction, even if wasn't declared and action was limited to border raids.

There is an oft-quoted, though admittedly tenuously-evidenced, statement that from Biblical times to today, the human race has only known a total of 200 or so years of peace.

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #21 on: 15 October 2024, 19:37:24 »
I suspect that if we included all the civilizations that rose and fell without leaving any records of their histories, we wouldn't have any years at all.
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #22 on: 19 October 2024, 18:20:24 »
Back in the day, like, way back, it wasn't Kurita v Davion, it was The Principality of Rasalhauge v the Tamar-Pact, until larger nations developed, so, it should be Inner-Sphere v Clans and so on.

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #23 on: 21 October 2024, 17:42:11 »
...., the Suns kicking the Kurita squatters off of their territory,....

Those worlds have long been claimed by the Dragon and it's DAVION squatters that need to be removed.
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #24 on: 21 October 2024, 18:10:57 »
Those worlds have long been claimed by the Dragon and it's DAVION squatters that need to be removed.

Und how lonk heff yu been hevink zese deluzzions? :grin: :tongue:
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #25 on: 21 October 2024, 18:50:39 »
Und how lonk heff yu been hevink zese deluzzions? :grin: :tongue:
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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #26 on: 21 October 2024, 19:05:59 »
I do admit, I was afraid that the cod-German accent might be mistaken for Steiner, but actually, I was aiming for "Sig Rumann in A Day at the Races" :laugh:

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #27 on: 22 October 2024, 11:23:02 »
As the narrator of Fallout states, "War. War never changes." Even during the Golden Age of the Star Leauge, you had the following

Marik Civil War
First Hidden War (DCMS vs SLDF Gunslingers
Second Hidden War (Davion vs Kurita vs SLDF(

War is a part of Battletech. Even Devlin Stone's attempts at eliminating or controlling the sources of conflict failed since the Houses or House fragments simply went around him in one form or another.  He also failed to reckon with the HPG outage or the Clans push to redo Revival (with the notable exception of the Rasalhauge Dominion.) Now whether the ilClan era results in a reset where the Houses, Periphery and Clans are at equal power and reunify into a new Star Leauge, that's a whole different argument.

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #28 on: 22 October 2024, 13:03:08 »
As the narrator of Fallout states, "War. War never changes." Even during the Golden Age of the Star Leauge, you had the following

Marik Civil War
First Hidden War (DCMS vs SLDF Gunslingers
Second Hidden War (Davion vs Kurita vs SLDF(

War is a part of Battletech. Even Devlin Stone's attempts at eliminating or controlling the sources of conflict failed since the Houses or House fragments simply went around him in one form or another.  He also failed to reckon with the HPG outage or the Clans push to redo Revival (with the notable exception of the Rasalhauge Dominion.) Now whether the ilClan era results in a reset where the Houses, Periphery and Clans are at equal power and reunify into a new Star Leauge, that's a whole different argument.

BattleTech is a WARgame. Peace is kinda toxic to the setting. If there is a mass outbreak of peace who are we pretending to kill with our big, stompy robots?

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Re: when does the current interstellar war end?
« Reply #29 on: 22 October 2024, 13:23:52 »
I do admit, I was afraid that the cod-German accent might be mistaken for Steiner, but actually, I was aiming for "Sig Rumann in A Day at the Races" :laugh:

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