A Rim Collection Appreciation Thread

[Guardsman]

I dunno, you can have three provinces when going rimwards. And it's better looking too (and doesn't open the can of worms of what to do with the Chainlane Isles, which are right next to the Barrens.
You'd need to revive 5 or 6 more former colonies, though, or the gap is too noticeable.

I suppose I could get behind a Rim Worlds Republic reborn as the Rim Collection. I eventually adjusted to the Lyran Commonwealth/Alliance/Commonwealth, so I should be abel to adjust to that.

[Rim Worlder]

Very nice and thorough!

I agree , great resource.

An idle thought: if the Rim Collection and Territories ever united, it would be a good step towards a new Republic.

only problem with this is that the Rim Collection is a Democratic association.  The Rim Territories are a Pirate Kingdom based on the old holdings of Morrison's Extractors.  ( Pain and The Rack )

I don't see them uniting except by conquest one way or the other.

[Dirk Bastion]

Well, that's pretty much in-character of a RWR-like state, no? ;)

[Guardsman]

I agree , great resource.


only problem with this is that the Rim Collection is a Democratic association.  The Rim Territories are a Pirate Kingdom based on the old holdings of Morrison's Extractors.  ( Pain and The Rack )

I don't see them uniting except by conquest one way or the other.

By the Dark Age, the Rim Territories has greatly expanded, with worlds that were previously absent from the map, but in locations of former RWR worlds, and entirely in the direction of the Rim Collection. Now, either the Territories found people on those worlds, or they colonised them. And Bandit Kingdoms aren't exactly known to be great colonisers.

[Guardsman]

Well, that's pretty much in-character of a RWR-like state, no? ;)

Ssh, stop letting the sphersies know we're evil!

[IndyRI]

We aren't evil. We're ambitious. It's not our fault our neighbors don't properly prepare for disasters...... like a fleet of dropships on their front stoop

[Guardsman]

We aren't evil. We're ambitious. It's not our fault our neighbors don't properly prepare for disasters...... like a fleet of dropships on their front stoop

You have a funny definition of neighbours, given how far Terra is from Apollo. But, I can't help but like the attitude. :)

[Moonsword]

You have a funny definition of neighbours, given how far Terra is from Apollo. But, I can't help but like the attitude. :)

You have a funny definition of fleet of DropShips, given that the Amaris takeover was primarily a ground operation and the SDS was subverted from the inside.

[IndyRI]

I don't see them uniting except by conquest one way or the other.

Well this is  what I was referring to mostly, but yeah, Amaris Coup woohoo!    ;)

[Guardsman]

You have a funny definition of fleet of DropShips, given that the Amaris takeover was primarily a ground operation and the SDS was subverted from the inside.

Yeah, but how'd the ground forces get from Apollo to Terra? ;D

[Rim Worlder]

Yeah, but how'd the ground forces get from Apollo to Terra? ;D

Sssshhhhhhhhhh  ! 


It's magic   8)

[Moonsword]

Yeah, but how'd the ground forces get from Apollo to Terra? ;D

There's a difference between being invited in and suddenly turning up to launch a planetary invasion.

[IndyRI]

Moonsword's right. Richard approved the replacement of his home guard units with a growing number of RWR units loyal only to Stefan. The ostensible reasoning for this was to allow the better-trained Cameron troops to be deployed to the Periphery where they were needed, while Terran protection would still lie in the hands of forces Richard could trust. By the time of the actual Coup, the Terran forces were by far RWR units. As such, it was less a violent takeover than it was a simple assassination and transferral of power.

[Guardsman]

Moonsword's right. Richard approved the replacement of his home guard units with a growing number of RWR units loyal only to Stefan. The ostensible reasoning for this was to allow the better-trained Cameron troops to be deployed to the Periphery where they were needed, while Terran protection would still lie in the hands of forces Richard could trust. By the time of the actual Coup, the Terran forces were by far RWR units. As such, it was less a violent takeover than it was a simple assassination and transferral of power.

If only Kerensky had seen it that way.

[Moonsword]

You're implying that he didn't see it as an assassination and seizure of power outside the actual mechanisms of succession - in other words, a coup.  Kerensky very much saw it as a coup.  The only thing missing from IndyRI's summary is the part where a number of the remaining SLDF units were exterminated or forced into guerrilla resistance and the detail that it was outside the normal mechanisms of succession.

[Guardsman]

You're implying that he didn't see it as an assassination and seizure of power outside the actual mechanisms of succession - in other words, a coup.  Kerensky very much saw it as a coup.  The only thing missing from IndyRI's summary is the part where a number of the remaining SLDF units were exterminated or forced into guerrilla resistance and the detail that it was outside the normal mechanisms of succession.

I’m not sure how I’m implying that he did not see it as a coup. I did however, wish he had not seen it as such. Or rather, just accept that it was a coup. He did wrestle briefly with the decision to accept it, or to start a civil war. He knew exactly what he was getting into when he took on Amaris, and he knew how long it would take. It was a heavy price, even if you ignore the Succession Wars that resulted from it, and his Exodus.

[Moonsword]

In response to someone outlining the basic definition of a coup, you posted this:

If only Kerensky had seen it that way.

That's implying Kerensky didn't see it for exactly what it was.

[Guardsman]

In response to someone outlining the basic definition of a coup, you posted this:

That's implying Kerensky didn't see it for exactly what it was.

Perhaps I should have said, “I would have preferred it had Aleksandr Kerensky allowed the assassination of the First Lord, and subsequent replacement by Stefan Amaris, to go without comment.”

[IndyRI]

Perhaps I should have said, “I would have preferred it had Aleksandr Kerensky allowed the assassination of the First Lord, and subsequent replacement by Stefan Amaris, to go without comment.”

So absically you would have preferred someone with none of the moral strictures of Kerensky, who complete disregards his duty as Protector of Richard Cameron and of the Star League? Yeah, and I'd have liked the world to have taken me seriously last week when I claimed to be Jesus..... but it ain't happening  :P

[Guardsman]

Kerensky . . . duty as Protector of Richard Cameron and of the Star League?

Guardsman looks at Richard Cameron’s grave, then the death toll from the Civil War, then the death toll from the Succession Wars, then says to Alek, “Great job.” O0

[Moonsword]

Okay, I think we've explored any substantive, useful content there.

Can we get back to the actual topic of the Rim Collection now?

[Guardsman]

Okay, I think we've explored any substantive, useful content there.

Can we get back to the actual topic of the Rim Collection now?

Very well, though I must say I will miss that lovely glass house of yours. Interestingly, it seems by the Dark Age that the Rim Territories have expanded right up to the old border of the Rim Collection, but curiously, two Rim Collection worlds, as well as two Lyran worlds, have since been abandoned by their former government. I wonder if there’s something up with that. With the exception of the two worlds the Territories took from the Lyrans, their successful colonisation/annexation efforts have been entirely directed towards the Rim Collection. It may be coincidental, or there may be more to that.

[Moonsword]

That was commented on earlier.  I don't recall anyone really having an explanation for it.

[Guardsman]

It’s also strange that the Territories are up from 2 to 11 worlds, while the Collection remained at 7 throughout, though they gained 2 and lost 2.

[Moonsword]

Yeah, there's some odd border changes going on along the Lyran Periphery.

[Guardsman]

Yeah, there's some odd border changes going on along the Lyran Periphery.

Yeah, two worlds lost to the Rim Territories, two worlds lost to the independent periphery. What they lost near Circinus is probably the result of the Jihad, though I’m not sure why they lost four worlds along the old Federation border. The rest, to the Clans, League, etc. seem to be fairly obvious losses or gains to war.

[Guardsman]

According to Touring the Stars, the Rim Collection and Rim Territories have benefited from Lyran ex-patriots colonising nearby in an effort to escape the Jihad, as well as, strangely, some worlds wanting to break away from the Lyran Commonwealth.

I was also reading Field Manual: Periphery, and it seems after the Rim Territories attacked the Rim Collection, they were beaten back and followed, losing one of their two worlds to the Collection. Presumably they took it back at some point, but it mentions some pretty strong anti-Collection feelings on the part of Morrison. Yet, by 3130, he’s probably long gone.

[wookiebear]

Gone perhaps, but the prejudices and attitudes have a tendency to last a long time, at least in the Periphery. Look at the Taurian Concordat as a base line for holding a grudge  8)

wookie

[Guardsman]

Gone perhaps, but the prejudices and attitudes have a tendency to last a long time, at least in the Periphery. Look at the Taurian Concordat as a base line for holding a grudge  8)

wookie

Hmm, do you think they'll ever forgive the Terran Alliance?

[Moonsword]

I doubt anyone especially cares about the Alliance anymore.  They probably haven't forgiven but the centuries have almost certainly muted it to a vaguely contemptuous apathy.  After all, there's much more important people to hate.  Like the Terran Hegemony.