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Celestials - How good are they?
« on: 15 August 2022, 14:39:47 »
So, I have never bought any IWM miniatures. All the minis I have are the plastic ones of AS, and the ones from the KS. Now, I have been thinking about buying some Celestials for a future (far future) campaign set in the Jihad (mix of TW/ATOW), to get as opfor against the players. I have both ComStar lance packs from the KS, plus all the other IS packs, so well supplied for a force of WoB, but would be good to get my hands on some Celestials to put Manei Domini as a nasty surprise for them.
The question is, how good are the minis? They look good enough, and quite similar to the art, but are they sized more or less correct? The new KS minis proportions are well made, but many IWM minis have odd proportions as far as I have seen in images (plus the AS minis that are more or less the same). Your classic light mech bigger than a heavy situation.

P.D.: Also, not related to Celestials, but I know IWM come without any hex base, but do the superheavies like the Ares do come with one? I have seen several images with those three leged hex bases that I have not seen on sale at IWM.

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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #1 on: 15 August 2022, 18:01:21 »
The Ares comes with its own base. As for the Celestials there about the average size for IWM miniatures though some are wider than they need to be. As for how nasty they are, properly used there like Clan Omni's on steroids designed to kill Clan Omnimechs and warriors. C3i is no joke.
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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #2 on: 15 August 2022, 19:07:20 »
The Celestials series of OmniMechs were balance group. Show casing some of new tech of the Jihad and nastiness cyborg mechwarriors could be.

The OmniMechs had good and mediocre configurations, as well custom.  Archangel is arguably one of the toughest.   I like how miniatures themselves can be easily modified to represent what configuration they need to be.  I knew a person used small magnets to various weapon parts to switch things out despite them being painted.

That said, when your playing them. You'd want to be using simplified rules for Manei Domini pilots.  With basic enhancements that negate some troubles that come to piloting these mechs, such as small cockpit penalties.  With cyborg implants (simple rules can be found originally in Hot Spots: 3072)
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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #3 on: 15 August 2022, 20:13:38 »
Honestly, the current rules in Interstellar Oprations: Alternate Eras are about the right level of complexity, and that has the modern BV costs.
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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #4 on: 15 August 2022, 21:40:08 »
The question is, how good are the minis? They look good enough, and quite similar to the art, but are they sized more or less correct? The new KS minis proportions are well made, but many IWM minis have odd proportions as far as I have seen in images (plus the AS minis that are more or less the same). Your classic light mech bigger than a heavy situation.

Generally decent. There is going to be a significant step up in complexity from preparing plastic minis. The Celestials were built with alternate configs in mind, and all have either bits or plates (4) to install in the torso, plus arms, legs, head, and sometimes spikes. Casting being what it is, there is some loss in depth during the process that leaves those torso plates fitting poorly. Not a huge deal, but a noticeable gap. They are mostly designed as fairly stocky machines, which does leave the larger ones hanging off the sides of the hexes - I definitely recommend using an XL hex base for the assaults. Better to bump bases than limbs! Nothing otherwise egregious in scaling. Those issues are always inflated anyways. A marked change around 2000, and probably only a percent or two of minis that are really off (Targe) that get brought up every time scale is discussed.

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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #5 on: 16 August 2022, 05:12:00 »
Most of the Celestials are within normal size parameters. The 85t Seraph is a little bit tall (problem of transportation) and the 100t Archangel is as wide as it is tall or deep. If i think of out of dimensions regarding the Celestials it is the Archangel. Still, as Psycho mentioned, it is still within proportions for a 100 ton heavy mech.

I did the magnetised Seraph, but could not get my hands on an alternate weapons set so far. Picture in the attachement. Painting the panels was a bit ... problematic.
As i don't like the long spiky antennas in the rear (again transportation) i cut off the antenna of my Grigori and pinned it. Now it can be detached for transportation.

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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #6 on: 16 August 2022, 11:24:30 »
Yeah, the Seraph is one of the few non-superheavies that has to go in my 3" "oversize" foam tray. (99%+ mechs fit standing up in a 2.5" tray; Seraph, Warhammer IIC, and Phoenix Hawk IIC come to mind as exceptions.)

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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #7 on: 16 August 2022, 13:02:43 »
Thanks everyone for the answer! By what you say I get that the minis are cool enough. I really like the fct that they look very different to other mechs and similar enough between them to see that they are all related.

Will try to get my hands on some. Here in Europe is going to be impossibily expensive to order them, but found some german online shop, so it would be cheaper to order from them to my country (even if the selection is not as extensive, they have quite a lot).

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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #8 on: 18 August 2022, 13:46:38 »
Is the 3pack of the Celestials still available?? Im thinking of finally getting them after years.
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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #9 on: 18 August 2022, 14:03:00 »
Is the 3pack of the Celestials still available?? Im thinking of finally getting them after years.
Both 3-packs are still available, and to my knowledge are still the only way to get the B configs.
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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #10 on: 19 August 2022, 16:34:33 »
Are the celestials of the packs only B configuration or are there options for other configurations of the packs?

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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #11 on: 19 August 2022, 17:44:13 »
Are the celestials of the packs only B configuration or are there options for other configurations of the packs?

They are B or the Unique configs for the two different 3 packs.
You can buy prime or A as one-off purchases.
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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #12 on: 20 August 2022, 02:42:12 »
They are B or the Unique configs for the two different 3 packs.
You can buy prime or A as one-off purchases.

Unique configs? What are those exactly?

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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #13 on: 20 August 2022, 07:15:42 »
Unique configs? What are those exactly?

The custom configurations used by the six members of the Opacus half of the Opacus Venatori special forces unit. Check the variants sections of these articles: https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Celestial_series

For the minis themselves, I adore the Celestials not only for what they represent in the setting and on the tabletop (generally heavy-hitting, top-end OPFOR), but also because the minis have many parts for customization of pose and variants. No better way to grant the Peace of Blake to some filthy nonbelievers without breaking out the WMDs. My biggest gripe with them is the leg poses were at times stiff and difficult to repose into something natural without having to cut and then fill gaps and sculpt damaged details with greenstuff. But as others have mentioned, they are all multi-part minis that will require some good superglue, steady hands, and patience to put together. The end result is dynamite, though.

For what it's worth, the RATs that dealt with the Shadow Divisions all have sizeable numbers of Marik and Star League (and the rare Clan OmniMech) designs in them too, so you could easily sprinkle a few Celestials in with some CGL plastics and still get a very thematic MD force.
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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #14 on: 20 August 2022, 07:23:34 »
Unique configs? What are those exactly?
They were part of the starterbook: Wolf & Blake. Personalized loadouts not typical for other Celestials, using even more advanced weaponry and systems (VSP-lasers, PPC-capacitors, modular superchargers to name a few). Precentor Berith as commander is rumored to have survived the Jihad and leading the rest of the hidden Blakists (rumor, rumor, rumor... ^-^)

Malak Mi, Preta Kendali, Grigori Rufus, Deva Achilleus, Seraph Havalah, Archangel Berith
All their variants are based on Infernus configurations (said B-models), so the mechs can be painted as Infernus or personalised Uniques (as long as the paint job differentiates between a PPC or a large VSP...).

All these personalized Celestials were bundled into WoB OmniMech Packs I and II and are still available in the online shop.
The only noteworthy exception is the Seraph Infernus/Seraph Havalah. The variant in the pack picture shows a Seraph Comminus (the C-variant) - as long as this is what is in the pack (I don't have it!).

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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #15 on: 20 August 2022, 09:47:57 »
Ah ok, noted. I didn't thought about those. Makes sense, as those packs were made for the starterbook.

Yeah, I know the Shadow Divisions are not exclusively Celestials, and have a lot of Marik designs/production. But those mechs are not VDNI adapted no? Don't remember seing any variant that was.

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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #16 on: 20 August 2022, 10:22:46 »
VDNI is not a variant thing. It is after-market modification basically, adds to cost. Rules in Interstellar Operations: Alternate Eras.

Basically you can designate any mech to be using VDNI systems, and needs a pilot with VDNI implants to receive benefits.

Not all Manei Domini have VDNI implants. For example Opacus Venatori's Havalah does not have those, and as such her Seraph probably is not modified with VDNI controls. EDIT Note that VDNI-modified mech can be piloted by a normal person, standard controls are still there.
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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #17 on: 21 August 2022, 04:57:46 »
I see. Noted. Well, I will try to buy some celestials when feasible, and check the rules associated meanwhile. I have only played introductory rules level so far (been a fan since the 90s, but only have played in the last couple years, and only a handful of times).

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Re: Celestials - How good are they?
« Reply #18 on: 21 August 2022, 12:44:10 »
Unique configs? What are those exactly?

Also fyi the unique and B configs are WYSIWYG variants of each other. They just have different weapons but they look the same in the same spots.
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