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Title: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: speck on 28 May 2012, 21:03:50
Below are two of the four pictures of the Omega Super-Heavy Mech, the other two are in the IWM Gallery (http://www.ironwindmetals.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1110).

Pricing is forthcoming, but I can say that it is made up of 23 parts. The price and more details about the sale of the miniature will be coming in the next day.

3 plus months early at Origins – extra $15.00 ($49.95)

2 months early at Historicon – extra $10.00 ($44.95)

1 month early at Gencon – extra $5.00 ($39.95)

Regular website online exclusive release (Fall 2012) - $39.95*

*NOTE: After Packing the Omega Super-Heavy Mechs for Origins, we discovered that the announced Price for release in the Fall was to low. The new price will be $39.95, but since we announced the $34.95 price, we will honor that price for the first two weeks once they gone on sale in the Fall.

(http://www.ironwindmetals.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Omega_005.jpg)

(http://www.ironwindmetals.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Omega_001.jpg)
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: worktroll on 28 May 2012, 21:06:36
Liking the look of this one! Shuddering at the shipping costs involved!
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Takiro on 28 May 2012, 21:08:46
Thats a BFM!  [AAAH]
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Sagittaire on 28 May 2012, 21:08:57
NICE!    [drool]
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: FedCom4Ever on 28 May 2012, 21:11:16
 :D :D :D

I'll take 2 please.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Weirdo on 28 May 2012, 22:06:21
I've said it before, I'll say it again:
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/574/1726009-shut_up_and_take_my_money_super.jpg)

For the record? THIS is an example of a perfect Con LE mini. O0
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Southern Coyote on 28 May 2012, 22:11:46
That a mech or a boat anchor?

Yikes! Too bad I don't play WoB.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Sartris on 28 May 2012, 22:28:43
Can't wait until this trickles down to the non-con attending folks (well.. mostly just me  >:D)
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: TheDean on 28 May 2012, 22:41:28
What is this, I have never heard of this mech. Does anyone have info on this thing?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: speck on 28 May 2012, 22:48:14
What is this, I have never heard of this mech. Does anyone have info on this thing?

It's from Jihad Final Reckoning , WOB super heavy mech
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Daishi411 on 28 May 2012, 22:48:55
wow, that is really awesome!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: M-Rex on 28 May 2012, 22:59:06
Very cool.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: 17th Spartans on 28 May 2012, 23:13:15
 :o :o :o :o :o [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) [brew] [brew] [brew] [brew] [brew] [##] [##] [##] [##] [##] [skull] [skull] [skull] [skull] [skull] [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause] [rockon] [rockon] [rockon] [rockon] [rockon] [AAAH] [whipit] [neko] [neko] [neko] [neko] [neko] Okay now 17 parts is cool also.  O0
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Cyc on 28 May 2012, 23:41:51
Wow
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: TheDean on 29 May 2012, 00:45:13
It's from Jihad Final Reckoning , WOB super heavy mech

So thats not a TRO? Is there a record sheet for it?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Trajan Helmer on 29 May 2012, 01:21:39
[Borat]Niiice[/Borat]
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: wackrabbit on 29 May 2012, 01:36:42
So thats not a TRO? Is there a record sheet for it?

Yep, in the same book.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: abou on 29 May 2012, 05:25:03
That is a beautiful hunk of metal.  Who needs plastic when you have this much pewter to love?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: klarg1 on 29 May 2012, 06:41:02
Wow. That is a beautiful sculpt. I'd have to guess that is uses close to 3x the weight of metal as that Atlas it's menacing.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: DaveMac on 29 May 2012, 07:40:39
Now that looks fabulous

Was wondering if IWM were going to do a sculpt of it

Gawd knows what its going to cost to ship to this side of the pond

I presume its metal and not resin?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: idea weenie on 29 May 2012, 07:51:35
Technically, it needs to be 50% taller.  (Superheavies are 3 levels tall, while an Atlas is only 2 levels tall).

But it does look nice.  Be a perfect way to get PCs to clench in shock.  All they can track is a single unit moving through the rubbled streets of an old city.  One of the Mechs spots that it can turn the corner and be at range 3 from it.  The player says that he is going around the corner, and doing an alpha strike on the Mech's head (presetting his weapon heights).  He does so, and the GM records all the hits/damage on the center torso.

Here is where the GM takes the player outside to explain what happens.  He then tells the player that the Mech sighted is taller than his own.  It is opening fire.  Follow this with enough firepower to destroy the player's Mech.

The GM and player then rejoin the rest of the group.  The GM explains what the rest of the PCs see/hear on their sensors/radio.  They see the volunteer go around the corner.  They hear over the radio a "Holy!!!".  They hear the PC do an alpha strike (that will cause his Mech to overheat).  After the complaints about not following proper fire discipline, they watch the PC's mech display go from green to black, and an escape pod launch over the buildings.

The PCs then roll initiative, wondering what is facing them in the old city.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 29 May 2012, 08:03:20
This BETTER be available to the general public or I will go on a rampage.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Saint on 29 May 2012, 08:07:09
That is awesome [drool] [drool]
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: FelixTheCrazy on 29 May 2012, 08:08:54
Yeah it's cool I guess. You know, if you like big heavy stompie things...with lots of big guns...And lots of armor....and goes STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW....HA HA HA HA HA....

 O:-)

This BETTER be available to the general public or I will go on a rampage.

Yeah, that would suck if we had to buy it from 'investment' buyers for 3-10 times the original cost.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 29 May 2012, 08:15:53
Yeah, that would suck if we had to buy it from 'investment' buyers for 3-10 times the original cost.

At that point I go back to thinking about scratchbuild.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Degman on 29 May 2012, 08:32:15
Will there be a special large hex base for it as well?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Mecha_Zone on 29 May 2012, 09:43:39
Technically, it needs to be 50% taller.  (Superheavies are 3 levels tall, while an Atlas is only 2 levels tall).

I think the size is good and is pretty much what I had in mind when I did the visual design for the OMEGA (a mech this big requires all caps!). If it helps you get over the whole levels thingy, just consider that it is (at least) 3 levels wide  ^-^
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Weirdo on 29 May 2012, 09:51:34
Think of it as being map scale? :D
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: jimdigris on 29 May 2012, 10:27:37
I've said it before, I'll say it again:
For the record? THIS is an example of a perfect Con LE mini. O0
What he said. [drool]
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: idea weenie on 29 May 2012, 10:56:37
I think the size is good and is pretty much what I had in mind when I did the visual design for the OMEGA (a mech this big requires all caps!). If it helps you get over the whole levels thingy, just consider that it is (at least) 3 levels wide  ^-^

So the Omega is a Mech that ate too many donuts?   :D
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Atlas3060 on 29 May 2012, 11:18:29
Ah crudstunk, now I need to make a Wobbie OPFor.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Stormlion1 on 29 May 2012, 11:26:18
Definatly going to need at least three of these. Please say they will be available soon and to us non-con attending peoples?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Mattlov on 29 May 2012, 11:58:45
wow, that is really awesome!!!!!!!!!!

No, it's an Omega.  Much bigger than an Awesome.   ;D


It does look nice, but I have a hard time buying one with all the CAV minis I have of roughly the same size and shape.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Maingunnery on 29 May 2012, 12:31:27

That Mech seems like a good excuse for placing a big order. 
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Nekhron Kirov on 29 May 2012, 12:34:00
Well, being an "Old Schooler", I think that this will just eventually lead to 500 ton mechs, I see no need to do away with the 100 ton limit rule.  But that is just me..

    On the other hand, however, the beauty of the Battletech universe is that one can choose the Era that best suits them.  If I am not mistaken, the superheavy mechs come in Dark Age (correct me if I am wrong).  I am all for having different things for different players, as it promotes diversity in the game.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: God and Davion on 29 May 2012, 13:37:17
I kneel humbly before the mighty awesomeness that it is the Omega. Just when I think they dropped the ball they sent it right to the moon. Made of win and awesome!
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: speck on 29 May 2012, 14:34:23
Will there be a special large hex base for it as well?

Look at the bases > hex category on IWM store to see all of the hex bases available.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Degman on 29 May 2012, 14:57:03
http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=16_25&osCsid=c76668f2ab49bf5f78f8abff7633378a

So those two are all there is?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: nckestrel on 29 May 2012, 15:00:35
http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=272_321&osCsid=c76668f2ab49bf5f78f8abff7633378a
Has some more options.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Mastergunz on 29 May 2012, 16:26:47
3 gauss rifles and 2 LB-10X's, 2/3/0 and max armor for 150 ton chassis. The best part...it can take a Guass slug to the head...AND LIVE! Beautiful sculpt!

-Gunz
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: va_wanderer on 29 May 2012, 16:32:30
Well, being an "Old Schooler", I think that this will just eventually lead to 500 ton mechs, I see no need to do away with the 100 ton limit rule.  But that is just me..

    On the other hand, however, the beauty of the Battletech universe is that one can choose the Era that best suits them.  If I am not mistaken, the superheavy mechs come in Dark Age (correct me if I am wrong).  I am all for having different things for different players, as it promotes diversity in the game.

There were pokes back to the Superheavy even pre-Dark Age- it's just the first successfully fully constructed designs were the Blakist models, namely the singular Omega line. As a fellow grognard of sorts, I'd honestly have a look at the construction rules before judging, the units were better balanced than I expected beforehand.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Degman on 29 May 2012, 17:06:55
http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=272_321&osCsid=c76668f2ab49bf5f78f8abff7633378a
Has some more options.


Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: GOTHIK on 29 May 2012, 19:40:06
the sculpt IS amazing!  and make no mistake, I plan on buying multiples; but I too wish that the mini reflected the 3 level high nature of the super heavy class.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Deathknight69 on 29 May 2012, 19:58:43
This BETTER be available to the general public or I will go on a rampage.
2nd'ed and 3rd'ed and 4th'ed , etc, etc.

I'd almost commit a crime to get this hunk o' pewter, lol
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: speck on 29 May 2012, 20:45:42
The official annoucement (http://ironwindmetals.com/d/node/1657) has been made about the Special Pre-Release of the Omega Super-Heavy Mech. Owe, I was wrong about the number of pieces, its 23 not 17.....

If you are at Origins, it will most likely be Friday that they will show up at the show.

Yes, this will be for general sale a few weeks after GenCon on IWM webstore as a online exclusive product.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: General308 on 29 May 2012, 20:52:02
I think the size is good and is pretty much what I had in mind when I did the visual design for the OMEGA (a mech this big requires all caps!). If it helps you get over the whole levels thingy, just consider that it is (at least) 3 levels wide  ^-^

  But how to you get over the whole level thing?  Height wise it is out of scale. Having to pretend in your mind it is three levels tall when the minis sort of throughs out the whole point of minis and  playing with terrain.


Looks great however
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Daishi411 on 29 May 2012, 21:36:38
i have to say that some of my excitement is diminished because of the price tag, it seems a little outrageous.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Stormlion1 on 29 May 2012, 21:45:34
It is outrageous only if your getting it early, but when it gets its online release its really only 45, with the shipping and handling thrown on top. Definitely will need the three I said earlier, I'm already imagining what color schemes there going to get.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Brother Jim on 29 May 2012, 21:50:39
That looks cool.
But for that price I would want it to be half again as tall as that Atlas.
Not the same size as a SuperHeavy CAV at twice the cost.

Hmmmm.
Time to go figure out a parts list to bash one.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: klarg1 on 29 May 2012, 21:57:49
  But how to you get over the whole level thing?  Height wise it is out of scale. Having to pretend in your mind it is three levels tall when the minis sort of throughs out the whole point of minis and  playing with terrain.


Looks great however

It's out of scale based on the rule saying it is 3 levels high. If you take the Atlas as the "gold standard" for 100 tons, it's way too big, in terms of over-all volume. It looks like it is at *least* twice as wide and twice as deep (front to back). That suggests close to a 4x mass increase, rather than 50%, as suggested by game stats.

If it helps, you could consider 2 levels being the height of an 'average' battlemech, with the big assaults actually standing noticeably above it, just not enough to warrant a rules change. The Hunched posture of the Omega would then make it the bottom end of the super-heavy height range, and not much taller than an Atlas.

That shaping issue is a common problem with chicken walker / pod shaped 'mechs. They tend to get sculpted to be close to the height of the humanoids, and should really be shorter (in many cases), to preserve the same overall volume. Quads are sometimes even worse.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: TheDean on 29 May 2012, 22:38:54
I love the sculpt, but this would have been the opportune time for IWM to begin using CAD and resin casting to keep the cost down and get the proportions and scale correct.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: TheOldGuy on 29 May 2012, 23:10:10
Well, being an "Old Schooler", I think that this will just eventually lead to 500 ton mechs, I see no need to do away with the 100 ton limit rule.  But that is just me..

    On the other hand, however, the beauty of the Battletech universe is that one can choose the Era that best suits them.  If I am not mistaken, the superheavy mechs come in Dark Age (correct me if I am wrong).  I am all for having different things for different players, as it promotes diversity in the game.

Aside from the rules being balanced, which they are, the Omega is a one-off mech (while perhaps a precursor to Dark Age +100 tonners from clix).  The Omega was only seen on Terra, and only a few were seen, so its the equivalent of XTRO designs.  If going over the 100 ton limit were to initiate an arms race I'd be in agreement but its not.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Daishi411 on 29 May 2012, 23:15:57
That looks cool.
But for that price I would want it to be half again as tall as that Atlas.
Not the same size as a SuperHeavy CAV at twice the cost.

this was what i was thinking.

It is outrageous only if your getting it early, but when it gets its online release its really only 45, with the shipping and handling thrown on top. Definitely will need the three I said earlier, I'm already imagining what color schemes there going to get.

so really they're only paying 5 bucks more cause people at the cons don't need to pay for shipping.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Stormlion1 on 29 May 2012, 23:27:46
Ah, S+H is the rub! If your ordering from IWM your not probably going to just order a Omega by itself, your probably be going to take the oppurtunity to order several other mechs as well. So that ten-twelve bucks spent is for multiple models and not just one!  :)
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Daishi411 on 30 May 2012, 00:02:19
Ah, S+H is the rub! If your ordering from IWM your not probably going to just order a Omega by itself, your probably be going to take the oppurtunity to order several other mechs as well. So that ten-twelve bucks spent is for multiple models and not just one!  :)

the 35$ is the rub, i was just pointing out the small difference.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Stormlion1 on 30 May 2012, 00:09:49
Other diffrence is, is that people pay to attend those con's. So in the end there paying even more for the mech, just to get in and get it! I'll happily wait for it to show up online and I'll pay a heck of a lot less to boot to get the Omega for my collection.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Daishi411 on 30 May 2012, 00:14:50
Other diffrence is, is that people pay to attend those con's. So in the end there paying even more for the mech, just to get in and get it! I'll happily wait for it to show up online and I'll pay a heck of a lot less to boot to get the Omega for my collection.

so will i, all i'm not trying to justify its costs, and various others associated trying to get one, i just believe its expensive when there are example of minis of similar size for much less.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Stormlion1 on 30 May 2012, 00:16:05
so will i, all i'm not trying to justify its costs, and various others associated trying to get one, i just believe its expensive when there are example of minis of similar size for much less.

True, true.  :)
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: blackjack on 30 May 2012, 00:20:02
:o :o :o :o :o [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) [brew] [brew] [brew] [brew] [brew] [##] [##] [##] [##] [##] [skull] [skull] [skull] [skull] [skull] [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause] [rockon] [rockon] [rockon] [rockon] [rockon] [AAAH] [whipit] [neko] [neko] [neko] [neko] [neko] Okay now 17 parts is cool also.  O0

What he said with a generous helping of   [notworthy] [notworthy] [notworthy]
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: HeadlessHorseman on 30 May 2012, 01:13:15
Hello from the Hollow,
   I'm not sure whether I like this sculpt or not.  I do have one of the original, 4 barrel Monsters and I still have trouble with the looks of the turret layout.  This one is better, bit I'd sure like to see one up close before I shell out $35.00 +++
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 30 May 2012, 02:35:16
$35's not bad.  I've paid more for warjacks.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Sharpnel on 30 May 2012, 03:56:56
For $35 I can wait 3+ months
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: DaveMac on 30 May 2012, 08:06:32
For $35 I can wait 3+ months

Me too
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Corrinald on 30 May 2012, 10:58:37
I've said it before, I'll say it again:
For the record? THIS is an example of a perfect Con LE mini. O0

I agree.  The Omega miniature looks amazing.   I didn't think we'd ever get one, let alone so soon.

Will I pay the extra $15 to pick up one at Origins tomorrow?  Yes, yes I will.  I can't wait to paint this thing! :giddy:
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Stormlion1 on 30 May 2012, 11:46:57
As for size, sure everyone wants it to be to scale, but in the end we still need to fit on a Hex Base afterall. If it has to be scaled down to make it fit (barely), I can live with that.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: HavocTheWarDog on 30 May 2012, 12:45:24
WANT!!!!  NOW!!!! [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool]
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: jayhawk on 30 May 2012, 13:10:22
Anybody else have the feeling that Siberian Troll is going to have pics up in a couple of months of one of these all cut up and flat on the ground and that Atlas kicking its' head in?  ;)
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Werewolf on 30 May 2012, 14:05:29
[...]
Yes, this will be for general sale a few weeks after GenCon on IWM webstore as a online exclusive product.

Your just made my day... and made me make an appointment at the local Red Cross for blood donations worth some breakfast and money to buy the Omega. ;)
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: GRUD on 30 May 2012, 14:28:04
Other diffrence is, is that people pay to attend those con's. So in the end there paying even more for the mech, just to get in and get it!

People are paying to attend the Cons anyway.  I don't see anyone being so In Awe of the OMEGA that they'll pay to attend a Con JUST to buy one!   :o  I realize there's some Serious BT Fanboys out there, but really?  :D


So, aside from getting it in Clamshell packaging, with a record sheet, what's the Plus Side of buying it at one of the Cons?  Bragging rights?  And Pardon me asking, but isn't a "Sale Price" usually Less Than the regular price?  ???   Offering it for $15 MORE at Origins than it will be after Gen Con seems to Invalidate this sentence from the announcement.

Quote
Special pre-release convention only sale


Don't get me wrong, I'll be buying 2 at Gen Con, and I don't even like WOB!  [drool]
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Weirdo on 30 May 2012, 14:31:13
If I were able to make it to a Con, I'd gladly pay extra to have an Omega right now, as opposed to waiting months for it.

As for going to a Con simply for the Omega, that's certainly not relevant to me. If I can go to a con with lots of Battletech, I'm going, Omega or no. If I can't go to the con, the presence of an Omega won't magically change that.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: calendraug on 30 May 2012, 15:35:29
couldnt wait for the mini. I was playing WOB against my sons coalition forces . As soon as I saw this monster in Jihad final reckoning had to scratch build it and scare my sons    >:D
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: GOTHIK on 30 May 2012, 18:24:40
couldnt wait for the mini. I was playing WOB against my sons coalition forces . As soon as I saw this monster in Jihad final reckoning had to scratch build it and scare my sons    >:D
Mind showing Us?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: worktroll on 30 May 2012, 20:31:48
Stock up on your white paint, folks - Word of Herb is, it'd have been deployed either in WoB Militia colours (39th Division), or bare primer (such being the rush to field it).

W.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: General308 on 30 May 2012, 22:16:41
It's out of scale based on the rule saying it is 3 levels high. If you take the Atlas as the "gold standard" for 100 tons, it's way too big, in terms of over-all volume. It looks like it is at *least* twice as wide and twice as deep (front to back). That suggests close to a 4x mass increase, rather than 50%, as suggested by game stats.

If it helps, you could consider 2 levels being the height of an 'average' battlemech, with the big assaults actually standing noticeably above it, just not enough to warrant a rules change. The Hunched posture of the Omega would then make it the bottom end of the super-heavy height range, and not much taller than an Atlas.

That shaping issue is a common problem with chicken walker / pod shaped 'mechs. They tend to get sculpted to be close to the height of the humanoids, and should really be shorter (in many cases), to preserve the same overall volume. Quads are sometimes even worse.

But that is the problem the Atlas isn't the gold standard fluff wise is not the tallest mech to start with
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: General308 on 30 May 2012, 22:20:17
That looks cool.
But for that price I would want it to be half again as tall as that Atlas.
Not the same size as a SuperHeavy CAV at twice the cost.

Hmmmm.
Time to go figure out a parts list to bash one.

In fairness though CAV prices are kept down because Reaper is now using it's P-65 lead formula on them.

That said I have no problem with the cost the thing is a wide son of a gun so I am sure it uses  a lot of pewter.   But once I am paying that much for one mini I might as well get correct scale.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: klarg1 on 30 May 2012, 22:33:19
But that is the problem the Atlas isn't the gold standard fluff wise is not the tallest mech to start with

My point is that height is a terrible measure. A humanoid 'mech that was actually 50% taller than your choice of 'properly scaled' hundred ton 'mech should weigh over 300 tons. Configured into a pod 'mech, like the Omega at the same height, it would have to be something like double that!

My claim is that "level 2" should map to the height of an average 20-100 ton battlemech, which should be a 50-70 ton'er. Big assaults should already be towering over that, but the game rules lack the granularity to model it.

In any case, I love the sculpt, and I am happy with the scale. I will very likely pick one up at Gencon.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: General308 on 30 May 2012, 22:54:38
My point is that height is a terrible measure. A humanoid 'mech that was actually 50% taller than your choice of 'properly scaled' hundred ton 'mech should weigh over 300 tons. Configured into a pod 'mech, like the Omega at the same height, it would have to be something like double that!

My claim is that "level 2" should map to the height of an average 20-100 ton battlemech, which should be a 50-70 ton'er. Big assaults should already be towering over that, but the game rules lack the granularity to model it.

In any case, I love the sculpt, and I am happy with the scale. I will very likely pick one up at Gencon.

Except that in Battletech weight has nothing to do with height.

It is a nice mini I am sure I will pick one up.  Just saying once I pay that much I might as well pay the extra and get it done right.  Just my opinion
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Psycho on 30 May 2012, 23:04:00
Except that in Battletech weight has nothing to do with height.


Correct. Also in Battletech, a mini's height has nothing to do with its height in game terms; a 'Mech mini that is half as tall as another is still the same 2 levels in height for game purposes.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: FedCom4Ever on 30 May 2012, 23:45:17
I just want to see the omega, standing in one place with those robotic quads assisting and spectral LAM's doing strafing runs.  O0
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: I am Belch II on 31 May 2012, 00:01:51
Holy crap this is awesome! I cant wait for this to make it to my hands.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: calendraug on 31 May 2012, 02:06:26
found my pic of my scratch built omega. Theres a post about it in the minis section of the forum about march I think timewise.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Sharpnel on 31 May 2012, 03:05:45
Stock up on your white paint, folks - Word of Herb is, it'd have been deployed either in WoB Militia colours (39th Division), or bare primer (such being the rush to field it).

W.
I'm gonna claim one as salvage from somewhere and paint it in outlandish colors
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Weirdo on 31 May 2012, 09:39:05
Stock up on your white paint, folks - Word of Herb is, it'd have been deployed either in WoB Militia colours (39th Division), or bare primer (such being the rush to field it).

Mine's going to be stationed at the Cairo Castle Brian; Light of Mankind! >:D
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Dak on 31 May 2012, 12:09:14
Light of Mankind for the win! They even get to ignore Herb's rulings!

Dak
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Sawbones12 on 31 May 2012, 19:33:08
Hey,

Some of you are so exacting in your demands for perfection but the "50% taller than the Atlas" crowd are sooooo far off in their perceptions!  This is already a 200+ ton mech by its current sculpting - way over the 150 tons it is supposed to be.  To be that much taller AND maintain the appearance of the art would make this a 400+ tonner!  Seriously, take as an example, a 100 ton mech - preferably chicken-legged and a 50 ton mech. Now, melt each leg, arm, and torso of the 50 tonner and keep these 5 globs of metal separate.  Apply the appropriate glob to the corresponding body part on the 100 tonner in a more or less even layer.  Do you see that the increase in size would not be all that dramatic?  It would not add 50% in height.  At 100 tons in size, adding 50 tons more does not add 50% in height.  The Omega sucks up most of the increase in mass with its massively HUGE/THICK legs, massive gun arms, triple gauss rifles and hulking torso!  The rule stating that a mega mech is level 3 was/is plain stupid and short-sighted - maybe okay for humanoid bipeds but especially not appropriate for chicken-legged and quad mechs with massive legs, arms and wide/bloated torsoes.  Just sayin'...

Rob
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: manticore72 on 31 May 2012, 19:33:21
You know there should be enough time for someone to assemble and paint one for the Iron Painter contest if they work quickly. Just a thought.  Oh, and I will wait with eager anticipation for the first one of these to be posted on CSO too.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: General308 on 31 May 2012, 21:21:44
Hey,

Some of you are so exacting in your demands for perfection but the "50% taller than the Atlas" crowd are sooooo far off in their perceptions!  This is already a 200+ ton mech by its current sculpting - way over the 150 tons it is supposed to be.  To be that much taller AND maintain the appearance of the art would make this a 400+ tonner!  Seriously, take as an example, a 100 ton mech - preferably chicken-legged and a 50 ton mech. Now, melt each leg, arm, and torso of the 50 tonner and keep these 5 globs of metal separate.  Apply the appropriate glob to the corresponding body part on the 100 tonner in a more or less even layer.  Do you see that the increase in size would not be all that dramatic?  It would not add 50% in height.  At 100 tons in size, adding 50 tons more does not add 50% in height.  The Omega sucks up most of the increase in mass with its massively HUGE/THICK legs, massive gun arms, triple gauss rifles and hulking torso!  The rule stating that a mega mech is level 3 was/is plain stupid and short-sighted - maybe okay for humanoid bipeds but especially not appropriate for chicken-legged and quad mechs with massive legs, arms and wide/bloated torsoes.  Just sayin'...

Rob

Saying the mech is 200 tons based on the sculpting a completely made up figure.   The pewter in the mini has nothing to to with the height or weight. Look it is a nice mech I will buy one.   But it should be taller than all the 100ton mechs by a significant amount. Honestly though stating they Height rule is stupid in short-sighted.  Is basicly saying ignore the universe fluff.  Which is fine and good I have no problem ignoring fluff I don't like.  But then again I am not making official battletech products.  On the other hand IWM is.   

The reason the height bothers me is because it really mess up playing with mini/3dterrain rules.   It doesn't matter on a paper map.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: wackrabbit on 01 June 2012, 09:44:40
Twice the mass should not necessarily equate to a great increase in height:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_zj9bOaEHeQ/T8jGRq8esGI/AAAAAAAAGxA/aOqLm-rh7c4/s450/66081-004-9DEB78B3.jpg)


Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: klarg1 on 01 June 2012, 10:08:19
Correct. Also in Battletech, a mini's height has nothing to do with its height in game terms; a 'Mech mini that is half as tall as another is still the same 2 levels in height for game purposes.

True, but the debate here is about the scale of the actual miniature relative to other miniatures. In terms of game effects, you are absolutely right, it makes no difference whatsoever.

With respect to determining the scale of miniatures, I would, personally, take the purported "mass" as a size hint over the more abstracted rules over whether a 'mech is 2 levels tall or 3.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: calendraug on 01 June 2012, 11:06:40
I built mine based on the pic in jihad final reckoning it is a very hunched over mech like the stonerhino/behemoth, Im sure if it could stand up straight it would be level 3. But crouched menacingly ready to dish it out works for me  ;D
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: gyedid on 01 June 2012, 11:10:54
So this is a 150-ton biped 'Mech, not a tripod like the later Republic superheavies...

It bears more than a passing resemblance to the Behemoth/Stone Rhino.  Coincidence...?

cheers,

Gabe
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Coldstone on 01 June 2012, 11:17:01
Might be due to the fact that both mechs are based on the Project known as Amaris Folly.

Stefan Amaris wanted to build the ultimate mech, but it failed to to the sheer mass. It was way too much for the Actuators at that time. Seems like WoB handled the problem...

The sense behind such a super Heavy mech beats me. Too big, no speed. You are a sitting Duck and a prime target for everyone... including Artillery.

And for the price of one I could get two Atlases...  Complete and utter failure and a waste of material in my opinion. Melt them and use the metal for other minis in my opinion. Sorry.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: calendraug on 01 June 2012, 13:18:24
wouldnt be the first time in human history that resources were piled into superweapons rather than solid reliable designs.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Crimson Dynamo on 01 June 2012, 13:36:50
Hey,

Some of you are so exacting in your demands for perfection but the "50% taller than the Atlas" crowd are sooooo far off in their perceptions! 

Seriously. I have trouble reading most mini preview threads nowadays, because it bugs me how critical and needy much of this fanbase is.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Paul on 01 June 2012, 14:12:39
It would not add 50% in height. 

Of course it wouldn't.
Each level is 6 meters.
We know 'Mechs aren't all the same height. Some are taller than 12 meters, some are shorter. That generally gets lost in the abstraction of the rules, but the really short ones are close to 9 meters, while the really tall ones are close to 15 meters.

Meanwhile, you only need to crack 15 meters to be 3 levels tall for game purposes.
So, if an Atlas is 14 meters, and a Omega is 16 meters, you're good to go.


Quote
The rule stating that a mega mech is level 3 was/is plain stupid and short-sighted

 ::)
Do you still feel that way subsequent to the above?

Paul
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: speck on 01 June 2012, 19:49:08
They have arrived at origins.....
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: General308 on 01 June 2012, 21:00:02
Seriously. I have trouble reading most mini preview threads nowadays, because it bugs me how critical and needy much of this fanbase is.

At the prices of minis in this day and age I think they have a right to be critical.......I will buy one I don't think it is over priced. I think it looks cool.   It is just to short.   In reality the height issue causes some real problems from a game play point of view on terrain.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: TS_Hawk on 02 June 2012, 01:36:48
The official annoucement (http://ironwindmetals.com/d/node/1657) has been made about the Special Pre-Release of the Omega Super-Heavy Mech. Owe, I was wrong about the number of pieces, its 23 not 17.....

If you are at Origins, it will most likely be Friday that they will show up at the show.

Yes, this will be for general sale a few weeks after GenCon on IWM webstore as a online exclusive product.

Welp guess I am going to be saving my money!!
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: gyedid on 02 June 2012, 02:02:30
Might be due to the fact that both mechs are based on the Project known as Amaris Folly.

Stefan Amaris wanted to build the ultimate mech, but it failed to to the sheer mass. It was way too much for the Actuators at that time. Seems like WoB handled the problem...


OK, so the Amaris project was originally supposed to be a superheavy, and the Clans later scaled it down to 100 tons?  That makes some sense, it never made sense to me why Amaris' attempt to build a 100-tonner would fail, given that the SLDF never seemed to have a problem coming up with ones that worked.
Also explains the oversized housing for the small pulse laser on the original Stone Rhino art--it was supposed to be a third Gauss rifle.

cheers,

Gabe
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Sharpnel on 02 June 2012, 02:38:57
They have arrived at origins.....
Did they sell out in an hour like the Leviathans game did?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: cavingjan on 02 June 2012, 10:10:16

So, aside from getting it in Clamshell packaging, with a record sheet, what's the Plus Side of buying it at one of the Cons?  Bragging rights? 


Get it while the mold is still brand new and shows no signs of wear?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Mattlov on 02 June 2012, 16:19:57
Get it while the mold is still brand new and shows no signs of wear?

Didn't help the Hellstar from being a mold-shifted nightmare.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: GhostBear on 02 June 2012, 16:25:21
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7103/7322509082_21fb66be0c.jpg)

Display version (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghost_bear/7322509082/)
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: whistler on 02 June 2012, 16:25:54
hoooooly shit...

how awesome is that?!
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Weirdo on 02 June 2012, 16:30:14
How awesome is it? Let's find out.

!...2...3...4...5 heavy weapon barrels. 166% Awesome!
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: General308 on 02 June 2012, 18:41:31
How many Omega's even existed in the universe?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Fullback on 02 June 2012, 20:18:58
is that a new LAM on the right edge? 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghost_bear/7322514394/in/photostream/
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: va_wanderer on 02 June 2012, 20:50:31
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7103/7322509082_21fb66be0c.jpg)

Display version (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghost_bear/7322509082/)

Forget white, that thing is pure mean in metal.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Gus on 02 June 2012, 20:54:09
is that a new LAM on the right edge? 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghost_bear/7322514394/in/photostream/

Yes. Yes, it is. A Waneta as featured in Jihad: Final Reckoning.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Stormlion1 on 02 June 2012, 21:39:54
How many Omega's even existed in the universe?

However many the writers feel the need to put on Terra to face Stone and in the WoB's rebuilding arsenal in the remaining hidden worlds!  ;)
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: willydstyle on 02 June 2012, 21:50:41
For people who are bugged by the "scale" of the Omega: a locust is two levels tall. An Atlas is two levels tall.  The Atlas mini is *well* over twice the height of the Locust mini.

IMO miniature scale has little to do with in-game size, so why the fuss over the Omega, that's already a serious chunk of pewter right there, and placed next to anything that's *not* an Atlas (which is a huge mini to begin with) is going to absolutely dwarf it.

Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: General308 on 02 June 2012, 21:53:38
For people who are bugged by the "scale" of the Omega: a locust is two levels tall. An Atlas is two levels tall.  The Atlas mini is *well* over twice the height of the Locust mini.

IMO miniature scale has little to do with in-game size, so why the fuss over the Omega, that's already a serious chunk of pewter right there, and placed next to anything that's *not* an Atlas (which is a huge mini to begin with) is going to absolutely dwarf it.

I have fussed over the height of the Atlas ever since it was resculpted many many years ago.   I also complain when people try and state the Atlas is the tallest mech because the fluff states otherwise. 
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: willydstyle on 02 June 2012, 21:57:23
I have fussed over the height of the Atlas ever since it was resculpted many many years ago.   I also complain when people try and state the Atlas is the tallest mech because the fluff states otherwise.

OK, so if the Omega is larger than a mini that you already agree is too large, what's wrong with the Omega's scale?
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Klat on 02 June 2012, 22:00:39
is that a new LAM on the right edge? 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghost_bear/7322514394/in/photostream/
Yes. Yes, it is. A Waneta as featured in Jihad: Final Reckoning.

Is that one of the LAMs that was to be produced via 3D printer (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,12819.0.html) and then as a metal mini?

I wonder how much progress has been made with the others...

As to the Omega, I'm not even a WoB fan and I want one after seeing that mini  O0
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: ColBosch on 02 June 2012, 22:58:19
Is that one of the LAMs that was to be produced via 3D printer (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,12819.0.html) and then as a metal mini?

No.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Klat on 02 June 2012, 23:01:38
No.

Thanks.

Still good to see a LAM.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: speck on 03 June 2012, 13:17:25
Is that one of the LAMs that was to be produced via 3D printer (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,12819.0.html) and then as a metal mini?

I wonder how much progress has been made with the others...

As to the Omega, I'm not even a WoB fan and I want one after seeing that mini  O0

Yes it is one of the LAM's that came from the cad 3d printer to metal. There are some issues that and up which is holding the production up. Are being worked on now.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Weirdo on 03 June 2012, 14:27:32
...Are being worked on now.

That's the best news I've heard lately. 8)
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: M-Rex on 03 June 2012, 21:14:42
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: scatcat on 03 June 2012, 22:38:16
awesome sauce!
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: FedCom4Ever on 04 June 2012, 03:37:35
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!

ditto
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: Klat on 04 June 2012, 07:00:21
Yes it is one of the LAM's that came from the cad 3d printer to metal. There are some issues that and up which is holding the production up. Are being worked on now.

Very cool, glad to read about some progress in that area.

That's the best news I've heard lately. 8)

I agree 100%
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: 17th Spartans on 06 June 2012, 00:27:45
 :D :D :D :D :D :o :o :o :o :o [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] LAM it UP!  8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: speck on 06 June 2012, 21:08:08
Just an FYI, I have updated my first post in this thread with an update on the price for when it goes on sale in the Fall.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: DaveMac on 07 June 2012, 04:37:08
Just an FYI, I have updated my first post in this thread with an update on the price for when it goes on sale in the Fall.

Do you have an actual date for when it goes on sale in the Fall matey?

I only ask as us Brits don't work to the same calendar  :D
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: speck on 07 June 2012, 08:07:02
Do you have an actual date for when it goes on sale in the Fall matey?

I only ask as us Brits don't work to the same calendar  :D

It will be at least a month or so after gencon, which is in August.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: DaveMac on 07 June 2012, 10:49:50
It will be at least a month or so after gencon, which is in August.

Thanks matey, I'll hold off the IWM order till then
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: yergerjo on 07 June 2012, 12:11:43
Wait...this is Battletech and we are having a discussion concerning scale of miniatures....

Since when has scale ever mattered or even been appropriate.

It is just an awesome looking mini, sure it'd look even more impressive bigger but also cost more and weigh more.

I have friends going to Gencon, they are on a mission to make several purchases for me...failure is not an option...
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: shadow_walker on 09 July 2012, 12:10:24
I wonder how many toes you'll break if that dropped on your foot.
Title: Re: Pictures of the Omega
Post by: TheDean on 16 July 2012, 23:19:15
I wonder how many toes you'll break if that dropped on your foot.

If you're a noob and don't pin, the joints might shatter their bonds on impact; leaving your toes pretty safe.