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Most Overrated Unit
« on: 16 March 2011, 01:02:33 »
In your opinion what is the most overrated Mechwarrior unit?

I was never impressed with the BR Solitaire. On paper being able to run 28 inches on a first turn with 22 defense (more with a pilot of course) is pretty nice. But the ranges are horrible and the stats fall off quick. A close combat order was often enough to remove it as a threat. My local BM would sink a lot points in to a BR Solitaire and watch it get mauled in short order.

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #1 on: 16 March 2011, 01:34:39 »
uhm ah haa ha haa?


I personally love the BR solitaire.  Complete repairability cheap and can be fielded with enough defense to avoid a close combat order... but  uhm

most overrated Mechwarrior unit...
I always thought the vixens were overrated...
but then again I'm just a scrub

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #2 on: 16 March 2011, 01:42:49 »
The DropShip.

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #3 on: 16 March 2011, 01:56:57 »
Mason Dunne...
salvaged him in 2 turns
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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #4 on: 16 March 2011, 07:38:31 »
The ones I personally played with? That green Jupiter. Forget who drove it. In MWDA. Nova Cat Grinder (or ANYTHING w/ the Pulser Laser ability) could just overheat and melt it purposely.
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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #5 on: 16 March 2011, 10:43:22 »
Liao Anubis. What a joke.

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #6 on: 16 March 2011, 11:05:20 »
Doesn't something need to be rated "high" to be overrated?

And I think it depends on the era too...

I was going to say Derek Hasbani, but in it's time it was a legitimate threat. 
Mason Dunne had it's time...
but like the Drop ship power creep/ and the rules changes caught up to it.

The lack of mobility on the DropShip left it a sitting duck for the assault orders and longer ranged AP attacks (i.e. artillery) that it just couldn't do anything about.  Before those when mechs had to get within it's range to attack it it was a tough nut to crack.

but then again I'm just a scrub

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #7 on: 16 March 2011, 15:31:04 »
Doesn't something need to be rated "high" to be overrated?

And I think it depends on the era too...

I was going to say Derek Hasbani, but in it's time it was a legitimate threat. 
Mason Dunne had it's time...
but like the Drop ship power creep/ and the rules changes caught up to it.

The lack of mobility on the DropShip left it a sitting duck for the assault orders and longer ranged AP attacks (i.e. artillery) that it just couldn't do anything about.  Before those when mechs had to get within it's range to attack it it was a tough nut to crack.

but then again I'm just a scrub

I thought in the dropship rules it stated it was immune to AP equipment

for me, and I know I am in the minority, but the twins.  I played large group armies anyway (managint to squeeze 3 lights plus battle armor support) into a standard army anyway, so I just added grapple, and let them come, usually lost one mech then BANG captured them both.
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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #8 on: 16 March 2011, 15:34:41 »
Overrated!?

While there may be a few individual units and combinations that inspired fear in their opponents, most were the result of a well prepared player that was able to get the best results with them.

RHDM and SAD ruled for a time, every "Dog" has it's "Day".  And it was usually some grossly underrated unit or team that knocked them down.  Sure the Drop Ship was a big scarey monster, but rules and abilities left it behind with no compensation. 

I would have to label entire classes of unit types as being Overrated because they were designed to Dominate and Intimidate rather than to actually Damage and Destroy opposing units.  These are mostly vehicles identified as Artillery and also VTOLs in almost every form.  They often get trapped in awkward positions when an agressive opponent forces them to "Push themselves to Death".

Even though I became a collecting junkie, my competitve armies stayed fairly simple and used only the more available "common" units instead of any Limited Edition Wondermech.  Talk about Overrated?  If it was a Unique Assault Mech, it was already, by definition, a Target.  And, Targets don't generally get to shoot back.

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #9 on: 16 March 2011, 15:39:02 »
Quote from: MECHTRAHN
The lack of mobility on the DropShip left it a sitting duck for the assault orders and longer ranged AP attacks (i.e. artillery) that it just couldn't do anything about.  Before those when mechs had to get within it's range to attack it it was a tough nut to crack.
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You may wish to look at the rules for the DropShip....  In which, I'm fairly certain it states that it is IMMUNE to AP.
So, right away you lose 2 clicks to its BLACK Defense
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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #10 on: 16 March 2011, 15:41:11 »
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I always thought the vixens were overrated...
UNBELIEVER! YOU SHALL DIE!!!!

...Alright, so I have an unhealthy addiction to my (one and only) Vixen. I like that it's fast,  cheap, and has a decent range energy attack. (I started off with Jades, so my 12" Vixen was pretty good when I started.) But no mech is perfect, so don't worry, I won't burn you at the stake(heretic)or anything(fire and brimstone rain down upon you!)

My vote goes for the Ares Poseidon. The Ares as a whole are interesting, (albeit, not used too often) but when I bring them out, Poseidon just stays in the basement. Sea-God or not, I find the infantry that came with it of more use.

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #11 on: 16 March 2011, 17:28:50 »
uhm ah haa ha haa?


I personally love the BR solitaire.  Complete repairability cheap and can be fielded with enough defense to avoid a close combat order... but  uhm

most overrated Mechwarrior unit...
I always thought the vixens were overrated...
but then again I'm just a scrub

Have to concur on the first point with MechThran.  Not to revive an old argument, but when combined with R.I.S.C. Advanced Pulse Module (VG-G-156) the BR Solitaires were excessively powerful for their cost.  To the extent that some BMs I've met would limit players to one per army build.  Of course, every unit has a counter, but that mech/gear combination en masse was generally zero fun to play against.

Regarding the Vixens, there were eight distinct units so I'm not sure which ones he thinks were overrated.  If he is referring to the CNC Elite Vixen, I don't know how it can be overrated: because <<Engage Third Person Mode>>  dethtungue is the  only one who has more than one!  In fact, dethtungue has them all!  If you have one, then it is only because you are about to give it to dethtungue.  Only dethtungue may have them!  Overrated is in the eye of the eye that is not dethtungue's!  }:) 

In dethtungue's ... Er...my opinion, I can't think of a single unit that was necessarily overrated.  Any unit with a good reputation probably got it from word-of-mouth or first-hand experience with how a good player put it to use.  Although I always had good experiences playing against the Bounty Hunter Marauder II.  It was such a point sink that it was hard to support unless being used in a VC1/3 trick army.
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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #12 on: 16 March 2011, 21:52:50 »
My vote goes for the Ares Poseidon. The Ares as a whole are interesting, Sea-God or not, I find the infantry that came with it of more use.

I agree with this. One of mine donated it's base to a 1/200 Macross MACII, and the rest of its components to the build box

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #13 on: 16 March 2011, 22:05:36 »
Overrated?  Any Highlander Mech that cost over 150 points.   Jupiter, Zues, Atlas, Longbow all had joke AV.  While the high defense meant they could last on the battlefield, I found the lower AV meant they didn't do much in the battle.  They were the first faction I got rid of when I condensed my collection.  (please note Highlander fanboys -darn fanatics-) The Highlander infantry was some of the best in the game.

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #14 on: 16 March 2011, 22:23:12 »
Overrated?  Any Highlander Mech that cost over 150 points.   Jupiter, Zues, Atlas, Longbow all had joke AV.  While the high defense meant they could last on the battlefield, I found the lower AV meant they didn't do much in the battle.  They were the first faction I got rid of when I condensed my collection.  (please note Highlander fanboys -darn fanatics-) The Highlander infantry was some of the best in the game.
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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #15 on: 17 March 2011, 01:13:12 »
wow I totally look like a scrub, Guess I better actually look at a dropship, any one have an extra one?

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #16 on: 17 March 2011, 04:15:04 »
Maybe.

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #17 on: 17 March 2011, 10:58:35 »
F095 Joel Nguyen (Zeus) 175 pts. (Highlanders)

This was one of the first mech's i pulled an being that it was a unique I instalntly thought it would dominate. I have a soft spot for it as it was my first unique but it hasnt seen the field since I got a decent army.

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Re: Most Overrated Unit
« Reply #18 on: 22 March 2011, 02:16:30 »
Some people really liked the ROTS Malice that has 16 range and 6 damage AP.  Unfortunately, it's primary damage plummets quickly, and then it's just points.
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