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Question about rarity of some mechs?
« on: 09 March 2011, 06:12:05 »
I've been digging through the mechs I've got in lately. Now I just use these guys for N-scale battletech so only the chassis and variants mean anything to me. However, 90% of my mechs are named mechs and about 30% have gold or silver bases. Now does that even mean anything anymore or do folks care?

I was wondering about just trading all those away for commons of chassis I need. How does the community look on such things? Is the exchange rate pretty good?

Just curious. I'm trying to hunt down more "classic" chassis like the PP mechs and Invasion Era clan mechs and such but don't know what to expect. I don't want people to shake their heads and laugh but I don't want to get fleeced either.
« Last Edit: 09 March 2011, 07:52:58 by Sigma »

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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #1 on: 09 March 2011, 11:35:49 »
It is really going to depend upon the units in question. Some common mechs are worth more than the uniques. Usually uniques are worth more though.

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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #2 on: 09 March 2011, 14:19:00 »
Hmmm...  for instance I'd give a Flavio, Koshi, an Ancita Tuvida Wasp, a ceaser Spanos, and a James Odom Arbalest for a (non Unique-- ( ^ ) "green" ROKUROKUBI..   I'm just sayin'. ...  Not making a trade on this thread or anything.
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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #3 on: 09 March 2011, 18:15:43 »
It really depends on a piece by piece basis.

There were some really hard to get unique pieces on black bases, before they started doing colored bases.

The silver based 'super rares' in post-AoD sets are some of the most difficult to get because they were usually 1 per 2 cases. Though it was also a color that got used for some promotional figures, which were easier to get.

Red is supposed to indicate chase pieces which were often assumed to be the rarest, but that was really only the case in AoD and Firepower, where they were 1 per 3 cases. In other sets, they were 1 per case, which makes them the same rarity as the 'rare' black based figures, which were 1 per case.

The crazy exception is Wolf Strike, where, because of the changes in booster format and set structure, some 'common' Mechs (usually elites) were actually less than 1 per case, making them rarer than the rares and even rarer than the 'ultra rare' chase piece.

Almost all the gold base figures are prizes, some of which are actually duplicates of silver based figures, effectively making them more common. The rarest of the gold base figures would probably be the Green Rokurokubi, which unlike most gold base figures wasn't unique. So on top of it being a promotional figure that was tricky to get, because of redemption abuse or fraud, WK ran out of the figure and couldn't meet demand. Stack that with it being a nice non-unique, so players, especially Kurita players had reason to want multiples.
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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #4 on: 09 March 2011, 19:40:41 »
Depending on the rarity and what variant you want, it maybe easier to kitbash what you want on a particular Mech.
We could share ideas.

But a general rule is the model isn't what makes it valuable, but the dial and the stats on it.  In most cases you could find a 'cheaper' model just by looking for it's 'less' valuable counterpart.  Just about all the models had non-unique figures for every unique or in some cases two unique figures.

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So if your looking for a Rokurokubi, look for one for the two uniques from Firepower or the light Mech Solaris set.  Forget the '087 Green 'Kubi.
Looking for a Night Stalker?  Look for a non-unique one, not the unique "Jack" Night Stalker.

Without specifics on what you have or are looking for (& that may not be possible on these forums) I couldn't help much on trades so that you don't get hosed on.

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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #5 on: 10 March 2011, 05:38:37 »
Okay, been up half the night logging in all my DA mechs, Industrials, fan stuff and Unseens. Will update it when I learn the faction symbols and the set symbols.

And I will start crunching on the V's and PBI's this weekend.

I think this is what you were asking for?

EDIT: I'm mostly looking for faithful representations of 3070 and earlier IS mechs. Followed by Clan 3070 and earlier mechs, followed by up to 3090 mechs, followed by old school Btech aesthetic 3100+ mechs.........Clan totem mechs and their brethren at the bottom of the heap.

So, Zeus, Catapult, Raven etc. are high on the list, Phoenix mechs like the Wasp, Marauder 2 and Thunderbolt are high up there too. Madcat and Vulture are just underneath that but still high up there. Then things like Shadowhawk IIC's and Valiants and goodies like that. So on and so forth.

So do you think I have a decent body of stuff people might want to trade for? I do have several odd silvers and gold based non-uniques as well as at least one of the guys from the difficult acquisition thread.
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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #6 on: 10 March 2011, 21:07:54 »
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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #7 on: 10 March 2011, 21:38:35 »
Doh, my bad, that's the last one I was working on last night. Look at the bottom of Excel. There are multiple sheets. The standard DA mechs are on the first sheet labeled "Mechs" all the way to the left. The file is my entire N-scale collection DA+CBT.

I can put a list here. Just didn't think about it when my brain was kind of fried last night. The problem is the spacing.

Mechwarrior Mechs                  
Number Owned   Chassis   Unique   Base Color   Points   Faction   Set
1     Griffin   no   Black   160   Bannon 109   ?
1   GRF-6S-M Griffin   no   Black   165   Davion 065   ?
1   GRF-6S-M Griffin   Harlaquin Griffin   Black   165   ? 043   ?
2   Rifleman   no   Black   206   ?109   ?
1   RFL-5M-H Rifleman   Crucible Rifleman   Black   215   Solaris 016   ?
1   RVN-4R-L Raven   Spettro(Specter) Raven   Black   128   ?042   ?
1   RVN-4R-L Raven   Shadow Raven   Gold   115   ?114   ?
1   Phoenix Hawk   no   Black   128   Bannon 100   ?
1   Zeus   Stefani Ehili   Black   204   Bannon 135   ?
1   ZEU-8V-A Zues   no   Black   254   Bannon 066   ?
1   CPLT-D1-H Catapult   Cynosure Catapult   Black   215   Solaris 020   ?
1   Hatchetman   no   Black   126   ?082   ?
1   HCT-2F-M Hatchetman   no   Black   133   Bannon 104   ?
1   MN-45-L Mongoose   no    Black   109   Bannon 084   ?
1   MN-66-L Mongoose   no   Black   105   Jade Falcon 081   ?
1   Locust   no   Black   110   ?100   ?
1   LCT-1G-L Locust   Scrub Locust   Black   130   ?038   ?
1   Centurion   no   Black   139   ?099   ?
1   Centurion   Sariah Nova Cat   Black   174   147   ?
1   CDR-DC-M Centurion   Yen-lo-Wang Centurion   Gold   160   Solaris 026   ?
1   CDR-DC-M Centurion   Yen-lo-Wang Centurion   Black   158   ?072   ?
1   CDR-DC-M Centurion   Maximus Centurion   Black   158   Solaris 010   ?
4   AS7-D-A Atlas   no   Black   256   Davion 032   ?
3   AS7-D-A Atlas   Headmaster Atlas   Black   269   ?007   ?
1   Firestarter   Santiago Padilla   Black   110   ?134   ?
2   ENF-6T-M Enforcer III   no   Black   148   Davion 029   ?
1   Uller   no   Black   118   ?105   ?
1   Uller   no   Black   123   Bannon 099   ?
1   Uller   no   Black   127   ?100   ?
1   Koshi   no   Black   122   ?104   ?
1   Koshi   no   Black   109   Spirit Cat 094   ?
1   MLX-VE-L Koshi   Six Gun Koshi   Black   126   Solaris 003   ?
1   Black Hawk   Lori Kyle   Black   160   ?090   ?
1   LK-V6A-H Loki   no   Black   214   ?109   ?
1   HBR-V4-H Loki   no   Gold   230   ?071   ?
1   LK-V1A-H Loki   Esperanza Loki   Gold   216   ?081   ?
1   Thor   Antonia Chinn   Black   203   ?092   ?
1   Thor   Noel Hurtado   Black   267   ?119   ?
3   SMR-VR-H Thor   no   Black   201   Nova Cat 065   ?
1   Vulture   Alice Vander    Black   174   ?093   ?
1   KDK-V1-A Kodiak   Ogre Kodiak   Black   273   Solaris 024   ?
1   DWF-VP-A Daishi   Corruptor Daishi   Black   263   Solaris 022   ?
1   DWF-VP-A Daishi   Fuku-shu Revenge Daishi   Gold   285   ?046   ?
1   ABS-3S-L Anubis   no   Black   106   Nova Cat 049   ?
1   ABS-3S-L Anubis   Hari'a Anubis   Black   101   Steiner 113   ?
1   OSR-3E-L Osirus   Thunder Thighs Osirus   Gold   112   ?082   ?
4   TLR-OA-A Templar   no   Black   247   Davion 030   ?
1   RTX-20-M Raptor II   Rooster Raptor II   Black   137   ?069   ?
1   VLT-1A-L Valiant    no   Black   122   Bannon 088   ?
1   Legionnaire    no   Black   119   Bannon 080   ?
1   CYS-D1-A Cygnus   Persuader Cygnus   Black   234   Bannon 124   ?
2   XNS-01-A Xanthos   Chikako Xanthos   Black   211   ?123   ?
1   XNS-11-A Xanthos   Wooly Zanthos   Silver   219   ?138   ?
1   SDR-5L-L Spider   Lucky Spider   Black   123   Solaris 004   ?
1   Mjolnir   no   Black   97   Bannon 094   ?
1   NX-33-L Nyx   Tick Nyx   Black   124   Solaris 007   ?
1   TFX-84-M Thunder Fox   Bartleby Thunder Fox   Black   149   ?120   ?
2   GST-90-M Ghost   Lolcat Ghost   Black   154   ?039   ?
1   EFT-9S-M Eisenfaust   Avalon Eisenfaust   Black   175   Solaris 013   ?
1   EFT-9S-M Eisenfaust   Scion Eisenfaust   Black   165   Steiner 071   ?
2   Crimson Hawk   no   Black   127   ?094   ?
1   Crimson Hawk   no   Black   127   ?093   ?
6   MAR-2C3-A Marauder IIC   Echo 01 Marauder IIC   Black   269   ?008   ?
2   MAR-2C3-A Marauder IIC   Requiem V Marauder IIC   Black   264   ?076   ?
1   MAR-2C3-A Marauder IIC   Swan Marauder IIC   Gold   298   ?115   ?
2   MAR-2C1-A Marauder IIC   Vindication Marauder IIC   Gold   277   ?084   ?
1   Shadowhawk IIC   Maria Devalis   Silver   127   Spirit Cat 143   ?
1   Warhammer IIC   Romain Teasarek   Black   231   ?143   ?
1   Warhammer IIC   Monic Delaportas   Black   246   Spirit Cat 121   ?
1   GHK-S3A-M Goshawk   no   Black   128   Davion 059   ?
1   VXN-7A-L Vixen   no   Black   117   Nova Cat 071   ?
1   VXN-7A-L Vixen   no   Black   112   Bannon 069   ?
1   VXN-7B-L Vixen   Valentine Vixen   Black   119   Solaris 006   ?
1   NC-ACC-H Nova Cat   no   Black   212   Nova Cat 066   ?
1   NC-ACF-H Nova Cat   no   Black   212   Spirit Cat 067   ?
1   NC-ACE-H Nova Cat   Grinder Nova Cat   Silver   229   ?085   ?
1   SLR-BV-L Solitaire   no   Black   100   Bannon 051   ?
1   SLR-PV-L Solitaire   no   Black   98   Sea Fox 049   ?
1   SLR-PV-L Solitaire   Metablade Solitaire   Black   123   Solaris 008   ?
1   SLR-AV-L Solitare   Diamond Jack Solitaire   Black   111   ?116   ?
1   SSP-PV-M Stalking Spider   Kumo Stalking Spider   Black   156   ?071   ?
1   SSP-PP-M Stalking Spider   Fireheart Stalking Spider   Black   156   Liao 094   ?
1   MGN-F1-L Morrigan   no   Black   94   Sea Fox 053   ?
1   HL-SH-L Hellion   no   Black   113   Davion 055   ?
1   HL-SP-L Hellion   Laser Bait Hellion   Black   122   Solaris 002   ?
1   Pack Hunter   Tara Bishop    Black   122   ?135   ?
1   HTR-2K-A Hellstar   no   Black   245   ?064   ?
2   Arbalest   no   Black   113   Bannon 074   ?
1   Arbalest   no   Black   119   ?075   ?
1   Arbalest   Danni Haag   Black   128   ?137   ?
1   ABT-R3-L Arbalest   Bolt Arbalest   Black   105   ?113   ?
3   VTR-V1-H Vulture Mk IV   no   Black   223   Bannon 075   ?
1   VTR-V1-H Vulture Mk IV   Seka's Pride Vulture Mk IV   Black   210   ?075   ?
2   VTR-V4-H Vulture Mk IV   Bringit Vulture Mk IV   Gold   205   ?083   ?
1   VTR-V5-H Vulture Mk IV   no   Gold   218   ?070   ?
1   MCT-V7-H Madcat Mk IV   no   Black   253   Davion 080   ?
1   MCT-V7-H Madcat Mk IV   The Heat Madcat Mk IV   Gold   242   ?132   ?
1   MCT-V7-H Madcat Mk IV   no   Gold   234   ?069   ?
1   JLP-KC-L Jackalope   Thumper Jackalope   Gold   115   ?133   ?
1   CVR-A1-L Cadaver   Possum Cadaver   Black   122   Solaris 005   ?
1   Blade   no   Black   138   ?106   ?
1   GDR-1D-M Gravedigger   Iceberg Gravedigger   Black   177   Solaris 012   ?
1   SCG-WF4-H Scourge   Preacher Scourge   Black   187   ?074   ?
1   SCG-WG1-H Scourge   no   Gold   224   ?068   ?
1   SHK-VP-A Shrike   Celaeno Shrike   Black   271   Solaris 023   ?
1   EXR-2K-M Exhumer   Sweetness Exhumer   Black   163   Solaris 011   ?
1   NSR-K1-M Nightstalker   Jack Night Stalker   Black   149   ?071   ?
1   NSR-K3-M Nightstalker   Rogue Wave Night Stalker   Black   161   Solaris 009   ?
1   WRW-LF-H Warwolf   Reaver Warwolf   Black   211   Wolf 097   ?
1   WRW-LF-H Warwolf   Slayer Warwolf   Gold   227   Wolf 110   ?
1   HVC-P5-L Havoc   no   Black   104   Davion 058   ?
1   HVC-P9-L Havoc   Harpy Havoc   Black   104   ?084   ?
1   RK-W-L Rokurokubi   Yojinbo Rokurokubi   Black   126   Solaris 001   ?
1   GBT-GL-L Gambit   no   Black   100   Davion 059   ?
1   GBT-GL-L Gambit   no   Black   100   Bannon 060   ?
1   GBT-GL-L Gambit   Arachne Gambit   Black   110   ?069   ?
1   CLN-C2-H Cave Lion   Rosse's Revenge Cave Lion   Black   229   Solaris 017   ?
1   CLN-C2-H Cave Lion   Sturmgreif Cave Lion   Gold   226   Solaris 027   ?
1   URA-2A-M Ursa   Prowler Ursa   Silver   158   ?137   ?
1   VTR-U1-M Violator   The Beast Violator   Black   137   Bannon 095   ?
1   VTR-U8-M Violator   Gold Digger Violator   Black   174   Solaris 014   ?
1   MTS-AV-H Mortis   Eschaton Mortis   Gold   245   ?047   ?
2   MTS-PV-H Mortis   The Messenger Mortis   Black   228   ?040   ?
2   MTS-PV-H Mortis   Seraph Mortis   Black   219   Solaris 019   ?
1   NTL-AG-H Neanderthal   Silas Neanderthal    Black   189   Solaris 015   ?
1   NTL-UG-H Neanderthal   Buford Neanderthal    Black   203   ?075   ?
1   NTL-UG-H Neanderthal   Thug Neanderthal   Gold   198   Bannon 116   ?
1   ARS-VA-C Ares   Zues Ares   Black   525   ?019   ?
1   ARS-VB-C Ares   Hera Ares   Black   525   ?020   ?
1   ARS-VC-C Ares   Hades Ares   Black   525   ?021   ?
1   ARS-V1-C Ares   Poseidon Ares   Black   525   ?035   ?
                  
Total Mechs                  
159                  
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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #8 on: 16 March 2011, 15:14:19 »
So anything in here I shouldn't do unspeakable things to like repaint or cut up and modify?

Just seems like I don't have a lot of plain mechs (even most of those are vet or elite). Can't tell if the collection is skewed or if that's what everybody's is like...

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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #9 on: 16 March 2011, 15:37:49 »
There's nothing that jumps out at me, to be honest. Though you might consider checking out a buy/sell site like Strike Zone Online. See if they're offering to pay a significant amount for any of the figures, which you could use as store credit to buy more, cheaper figures.

EDIT: The pieces that I see that'd be worth your time to sell or trade...
Clan Nova Cat Vixen
Stefani Ehili
Banson's Raiders Solitare
Banson's Raiders Vulture
House Davion Mad Cat

EDIT 2: Look at SZO's sell lists as well, they're probably above what people are paying on eBay, but they can still serve as a good indicator of rarity and value

In most of the sets, rank did have some impact on rarity. So you'll generally find that Elite units are more likely to be valuable than Veteran or Green. As a very approximate rule of thumb, for every 1 elite figure, there's 2 veteran, and 3 green. That's not always true though.

The CNC Vixen is a great example of how messed up rarities were in Wolf Strike. It was a 'common' but it was one of the hardest to get pieces of that set because it was Elite and there wasn't enough room in a case for a complete set of commons. It would probably sell for more than any of the 'rare' figures from that set.
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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #10 on: 16 March 2011, 20:38:02 »
since the topic is rarity of pieces.........

Does anyone know the actual production count of each piece.
ie... how many Merc Shock troopers, or DF Di Schmidtt's or Derek hasbani. were manufactured?
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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #11 on: 16 March 2011, 21:48:30 »
Adding to eMouse's list

BringIt was Marquee Fellowship.  Not as valuable as Seka's Pride, but still I would trade it for more Vultures to rip off bases.
Requiem and Swan Maruaders would have the same thing.  (Requiem appealed to everyone as it's a GunSlinger.)

Nightstalker "Jack" is only worth more if it comes with the Pilot "Jules".  Two to three times the trading power if you have the Limited Edition pilot card.

That's just my opion and you may find that your own milage may vary.

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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #12 on: 17 March 2011, 21:50:16 »
Thanks again for the help guys. I really appreciate it.

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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #13 on: 18 March 2011, 00:33:41 »
Does anyone know the actual production count of each piece.
ie... how many Merc Shock troopers, or DF Di Schmidtt's or Derek hasbani. were manufactured?

An interesting question, and one I've wondered about.  While I imagine this information probably exists somewhere, I don't imagine anyone in the public has it, and the folks responsible for generating the pieces are probably not eager to dispense their business information for a variety of reasons.

That ties into some other interesting questions, though, like: how many unopened boosters remain in circulation?  How many unopened cases?  What percentage of MW figures ever sold are sitting in collections (like mine) gathering dust?

Not that I think there are answers to these questions, they're just interesting ones. ;)

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Re: Question about rarity of some mechs?
« Reply #14 on: 22 March 2011, 17:15:35 »
The numbers can be guessed, depending on the set.

On the side of most case boxes is a "#### of ####" imprint, which states which case number it is out of a particular production run. So, obviously, the second number is the actual number of cases produced. In a set like Firepower which had a very regular distribution, it's very easy to figure up the number of each figure made based on what's supposed to be in each case.

The unknown factors are things like irregular distribution, factory sets, starters, prizes, replacements, and multiple production runs. WK would often do a production run before release, based on pre-orders, then do a second run after release to meet subsequent demand.