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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #30 on: 25 June 2020, 12:29:06 »
Not much of a counter argument  8) ... I like hawg wild!! ... I mean, really anything from a SRM-2, MG to a HGR!

Need to give Joe some things that are L1 (maybe a smidge more) stuff, just came out in later books:

Thinking of these (running down list in Sarna)
RL-s
Regular and Improved one shots
Magshots
Alt ammo for ACs/Missiles
LACs
Binary Laser
Bombast
L PPC? yes/no? --nah, overtakes LAC-5, AC-5 to much.
MMLs?
Mortars
MRMs?
A4FCS?
Thunderbolts?
Artillery (Thump, Snipe, and Tom)
Rifles (Joes are to smart to use Lights, leave that to Cobra, they pair that with a Heavy PPC and leave everyone scratching their heads)
Narc? (even limiting to an Imp OS Narc)
C.A.S.E.
AMS
EWS (electronic warfare system)
Recon Camera, Look Down Radar, Remote sensor thingee, Communication gear
Chemical Lasers? (still think this would have been a cool intro laser for early BT era -- even a primitive version)

Almost geeked out for the night!

[edit: I did say almost!]  I'd be willing to go as far as letting Joe's have IS Omnimechs if all the pods are L1 stuff and they have SHS (oh wait, Strider is that you?).  Cobra of course will put their BFG-2000+ energy weapon on a mech with SHS so it overheats after 2 shots, but they're BAT-crazy.

[edit2: wait a sec here] ... To be fair, there is only so much hawg wild Cobra can go, there's only so much you can put on wee vehicles that are using infantry scale weapons.  Options also doesn't mean we use them all at once either.  I've a Moray design ready: 80 ton hydrofoil, 2 AC-5s w/alt ammo, 10 LMGs, 2 LRT-5, 2 SRT-2, 10 tons primitive armor -- not exactly crazy.  My Fang design is crazy, but mostly because it's a sub 2t support scout/attack vtol moving 15/23.

When we move out of toy inspiration, I think things might get crazier.

Typically, the Joes would be better organized and standardized, with a standardized spread of gear on the infantry level and absolute standardization on their 'mechs.  I could easily see them fielding IS Omnimechs without complaint, probably with a bias toward standard engines and endo-steel skeletons, while Cobra is "go hawg wild" with both gear and organization-aka toss in everything that is goofy and borderline OP, but with some painful defects (single heat sinks, XL engines, XXL engines, XL gyros and so on).

Basically consider COBRA to be the backyard ramboes with all the expensive gear that doesn't quite match up, while the Joes are the hardcore professionals with a heavy emphasis on training over 'moar dakka'.
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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #31 on: 25 June 2020, 12:34:02 »
basically, a Joe design should be more 'zombie' in build type and qualities.  lots of standard engine layouts with CASE and decent protection, a heavy lean on low-heat energy weapons (aka 'standard' energy weapons), good layouts with their missile and ballistic units, and a decent spread of basic capability with infantry and so on.

while COBRA is where you would see something like a composite endoskeleton with an XXL engine and XL Gyro, packing gauss rifles and double heat-sinks it really doesn't need, with not quite enough ammo (or alternately, using autocannon builds, more ammo than anyone is likely to ever use up, and distributed...poorly.)

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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #32 on: 25 June 2020, 17:02:13 »
Why not older tech... it's clunky enough for Joes. while Cobra has Jihad Wob tech.

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« Reply #33 on: 26 June 2020, 11:28:58 »
Old tech still works!



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« Reply #34 on: 02 July 2020, 10:46:22 »
Did a few more toy conversions: the CAT, basically the Crimson Guard MOBAT, is up to 70 tons with a UAC-10, Hardened Armor -- it's kinda cool.  The Stinger attack jeep got bumped to a 20t wheeled 14/21 w/MRM-10.  Maggot artillery has a Sniper, P LL, LAC-5, but only a few tons of BAR-5 armor.


So what about our standard Cobra trooper from the toy/comic line? He's (we can go ahead and include She's as well now!) had a Sniper Rifle:  https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=69615.0  (Woot Daryk!)

The rest of the cost/stats are in Shrapnel #1.  but which Rifle?  I was thinking the SLDF, Dark caste rifle, or WoB RS-17 stripped down version.
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« Reply #35 on: 02 July 2020, 11:30:10 »
Thunderbolt missiles definitely fit the genre. Big missiles fit. I wish the antiaircraft missiles were easier to use/mount. I could picture the F-90 Stingrays be turned into X-29 fighters for the Joes.
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« Reply #36 on: 02 July 2020, 12:29:29 »
Why not, there is an AC5 version after all, slap on a few AAM.

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« Reply #37 on: 02 July 2020, 13:38:09 »
That's the next one i have to put in my collection.  Thanks for the reminder!

Thunderbolt missiles definitely fit the genre. Big missiles fit. I wish the antiaircraft missiles were easier to use/mount. I could picture the F-90 Stingrays be turned into X-29 fighters for the Joes.

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« Reply #38 on: 02 July 2020, 14:20:04 »
Why not, there is an AC5 version after all, slap on a few AAM.

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[staplesbutton] That was easy! [/staplesbutton]

I tried looking at the Slayer for the Night Raven, ended up crossing it with a Kirghiz.  80t 7/11 (400xxl), 5 ton compartment (whatever personnel/BA you can fit), RAC-5 & 2 ELRM-10s as main guns.

Thunderbolt? Why of course! That Joe/Cobra missile system
--trailer: 8 tons, TB-5, 10 ICE for power (did not add motive control, but then added a 'Gunner/combat seat' for same weight -- no drive, trying to keep it a combat trailer.  could go back and make it a support unit, BAR-5 armor.

I really would like a cannon Heavy Rocket System; instead of a group of missiles, just one bigger one (and a torpedo version).
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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #39 on: 13 July 2020, 21:26:54 »
Joe Time!

The VAMP Jeep toy? well it got some muscle now. (and as Daryk might say FRACTIONAL ACCOUNTING FOR ALL) ... And it mounts a Binary Laser! b/c -- It Looks Cool, Duh!
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Tech Stats JOE –Fractional         Mass
Type         V.A.M.P.        31
Movement Type Wheeled
Power Plant 135 Light V-Fusion 5.063
     CRUISE 5 (54 kph) (34 mph)
     FLANK 8 (86 kph) (54 mph)
Heat Sinks 16                 6
Internal Struct 4                 3.1
Control Equip. 2 Crew                 1.55
Armor Factor 106 Heavy Ferro-fibrous 5.342
FRONT         25
RIGHT/LEFT SIDE 23/23
REAR         20
TURRET/rotor 15                 .901
(6/11 slots)
EQUIPMENT Storage -34 kg         .034
Blazer (turret)                  9
2 Spotlights (turret)         .01
      
      
      
The Wolverine Missile tank with Cover Girl was supposedly modeled after the post WWII Ontos, which was 8.6t ... rounded up to 9 (Fractional Accounting too, dudes!). Manipulators? why? I could fit them and had tonnage to use and the pilot can perform ... 'flight of the bumblebee'?
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Tech Stats JOE –Fractional         Mass
Type         Wolverine          9
Movement Type Tracked
Power Plant 25 Fuel Cell          .6
     CRUISE 3 (32 kph) (20 mph)
     FLANK 5 (54 kph) (34 mph)
Heat Sinks 1
Internal Struct 1                  .9
Control Equip. 1 Crew                  .45
Other Equipment L-Amphib (2MP)          .36
Fuel 666 km
Armor Factor 51 Light Ferro-Fibrous 3.009
FRONT         11
RIGHT/LEFT SIDE 11/11
REAR         10
TURRET/rotor 8                   .151
(6/6 slots)
EQUIPMENT MML-3 (turret)          1.5
2 Spotlight (F/T)           .005
2 Manipulators (front)           .02
Ammo LRM-3 [33]                  1
Ammo SRM-3 [40]                  1

(other option is to go 2 RL-15 and redo other stuff -- easier to play with when you DON'T use fractional accounting, but the MML gives a lot more longevity in the fire support role)
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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #40 on: 14 July 2020, 18:50:37 »
Tiny tot toys presents: The Cobra Fang Ultra-Light Attack Helicopter -- It has uses.  Some better than others.  If you need to soften up worlds or probe for actual defenses or tire your opponent out with near mindless single & random strikes then here's your 'Hat'.
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Tech Stats Cobra Tech E Mass
Type Fang Gyrocopter                     1.958
Movement Type VTOL
Power Plant ICE                     1.166
CRUISE 15 (162 kph) (101 mph)
FLANK 23 (242 kph) (150 mph)

Internal 1, Utra-Light             .196
Control      1 Crew                     .075
Other      AFC +0                     .006
Fuel      515 km                     .06
Armor Factor 5 BAR-8 (Tech E)     .225
FRONT         1
R/L SIDE 1/1
REAR         1
TURRET/rotor 1
(5/5 slots)
EQUIP Storage (6 kg)                     .006 (technically wasted tonnage due to slots)
4 i-MRM 2/4/6 (front)             .12
Ammo [4+10]; .53             .05
Support MG (front)             .044
2/4/6; .94 -burst
Ammo [5+100]                     .01
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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #41 on: 14 July 2020, 19:04:27 »
What do you think about a Warthog? The Joe tank buster, LB-10 ? Or RAC5?

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« Reply #42 on: 14 July 2020, 21:59:08 »
What do you think about a Warthog? The Joe tank buster, LB-10 ? Or RAC5?

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Just closed out the toy/wiki page! ... spent some time on the MOBAT, Mauler, & Grizzly
MOBAT: 55t, 5/8, Heavy Rifle, 2 HMG, 2 VGL, case, 11.625t armor (fractional acounting) -- HR for oddness, but still stings
Mauler: 37t, 6/9 (LFE), Thumper Artillery Cannon, 7.5 Reactive armor -- wanted sniper, but to big
Grizzly: 77t, 4/6 (XXL), Targeting Computer, AC-10 (w/AP and standard ammo), 4 (real) Flamers, Thunderbolt-5, 24t LFF armor -- it's a beast!

Warthog: gods, what an ugly toy! from what I see it's an amphibious infantry fighting vehicle ... tankbustin'? make that missile launcher a Thunderbolt-15 with some serious ammo.  If there's a cannon version, I'd go LB-5 or 10 w/cluster.  OR give it both, make a 2 turret vehicle. ... [edit] Heck, lets put a Thunderbolt-20 on there! (and maybe an LB-5X for range)

You have a link to what you're looking at?
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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #43 on: 15 July 2020, 23:32:48 »
What do you think about a Warthog? The Joe tank buster, LB-10 ? Or RAC5?

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Are you refering to the A-10?
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« Reply #44 on: 16 July 2020, 08:23:59 »
Oh yeah! the Rattler is already done: ... And there's a Joe version? ... later for that one then!  They do have an IFV Warthog toy too.

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Cobra CF         Mass
Rattler 50
CF
300 Light V-rated 21.5
6/9

SI: 6
1 Crew                  5
VSTOL                  2.5
320 (fuel)           2
50 Light Ferro-fibrous 3
14
12/12
12

(2/2/2/2)
RAC-2 (nose)          8
4 MG (N/2A)          1.5
2 MML-3 (LW/RW)          3

Ammo RAC-2 [45]           1
Ammo MG [100]           .5
Ammo LRM-3 [40]           1
Ammo SRM-3 [33]           1

[edit] Would like to point out that my Toy years and ability to collect them were from '78-'88-ish; some of the odder and niftier stuff came out when I was a) required to spend my own money, of which I had little and b) old enough to pass on a lot of it.

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« Reply #45 on: 16 July 2020, 15:23:15 »
What do you think about a Warthog? The Joe tank buster, LB-10 ? Or RAC5?

TT

NEITHER! ... I don't know what this will cost, or want to know.  But an UAC-20 (non-jam aero FTW!) and 2 ML bearing down on a first strike sounds painful to whatever it attacks.

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JOE                 Mass
A-1000 ‘Buster
CF                50
350 XXL V-Fusion       15
7/11
10 SHS
SI: 7
2 Crew                 5
VSTOL                 2.5
480 (fuel)          3
49 Heavy Ferro-fibrous 2.5
13
12/12
12
Threshold (2/2/2/2)
UAC-20 (nose)        15
2 ML (nose)         2
2 PSL (aft)      2
Ammo UAC-20 [15] 3

Want some RL-10s? drop one ton of ammo and one ton of fuel (put that into fuel pods for longer distance travel, drop them before engaging ala WWII)

Code: [Select]
JOE                 Mass
A-1001 ‘Buster
CF                50
350 XXL V-Fusion       15
7/11
10 SHS
SI: 7
2 Crew                 5
VSTOL                 2.5
320 (fuel)          2
49 Heavy Ferro-fibrous 2.5
13
12/12
12
Threshold (2/2/2/2)
UAC-20 (nose)        15
2 ML (nose)         2
2 PSL (aft)      2
Ammo UAC-20 [15] 2
4 RL-10 (2RW/2LW)       2
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« Reply #46 on: 16 July 2020, 21:13:59 »
Oh yeah! the Rattler is already done: ... And there's a Joe version?

[edit] Would like to point out that my Toy years and ability to collect them were from '78-'88-ish; some of the odder and niftier stuff came out when I was a) required to spend my own money, of which I had little and b) old enough to pass on a lot of it.
Same here, but I did enjoy going into Toy R Us  :'( and Walmart and looking at the Toys, because I'm a big kid...
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« Reply #47 on: 16 July 2020, 22:46:07 »
Same here, but I did enjoy going into Toy R Us  :'( and Walmart and looking at the Toys, because I'm a big kid...

So many things I wanted to just get, even if it was just to sit in a box! 
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« Reply #48 on: 17 July 2020, 09:07:01 »
I have so many Stormtroopers I resticketed them Cobra!

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« Reply #49 on: 17 July 2020, 11:12:20 »
I have so many Stormtroopers I resticketed them Cobra!

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when episode 2 was about to come out and had the 15 point articulation clone troopers ... I had no/little spending cash.  Man, I would have bought dozens of them if I could.  I have about 8 or 9 from early '80's.  ... Someone invent a time machine for 'trivial use' -- we won't cheat sports events, change world events: we'll go and hoard the cool [edit] stuff!!
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« Reply #50 on: 20 July 2020, 09:42:14 »
The coolest Joe was color changing Zartan.

He had his eyes changed from pale to the eye tattoo thingy.

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« Reply #51 on: 20 July 2020, 12:26:15 »
Place holder: I finally have MML working (need to try SSW sometime this week too) will have BV & cost set up for:

So I've discovered some bad math on my part (lost .5 ton/1 MG-forward on the Rattler).  Also between an XXL engine and Heavy FA, I had no aft slots to put on my A-10s.  BUT you can assign weapons rear facing, so problem solved on that. (ML moved to wings, P SL moved to nose-rear facing).

Rattler:      BV 391; $4,353,625

A-1000:     BV 996; $30,193,042     

A-1001:     BV 1,061; $30,245,292
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« Reply #52 on: 26 September 2020, 18:28:52 »
Discovery Family has GI Joe on at 5 am... Indianapolis,  IN.

 :D

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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #53 on: 26 September 2020, 22:38:57 »
Discovery Family has GI Joe on at 5 am... Indianapolis,  IN.

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I dunno ... tried watching old Transformers. It was hard.  Peter Cullen's (sp) voice still a point of inspiration though.
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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #54 on: 28 September 2020, 13:53:41 »
So with MASK being added to GIJOE a few years back, would the Hybrid vehicle/mech rules give the Joes something extra?
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« Reply #55 on: 28 September 2020, 17:02:18 »
So with MASK being added to GIJOE a few years back, would the Hybrid vehicle/mech rules give the Joes something extra?

What's MASK? ... asking for a friend.

(I'm so outta touch with toys, I want to be 14 again ... sometimes)
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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #56 on: 28 September 2020, 17:35:20 »
Mobile Armored Strike Kommand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Z1yLO9C-Q

It was kinda of best of GIJOE and Transformers... 

and yes to 14 again and able to watch all those shows again.. 

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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #57 on: 28 September 2020, 20:03:52 »
Mobile Armored Strike Kommand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Z1yLO9C-Q

It was kinda of best of GIJOE and Transformers... 

and yes to 14 again and able to watch all those shows again..

Holy burnt brain cells, Batman!  Wow.  I remember it, but with zero details -- like reading a book for English, doing the homework, passing the test (90+!) ... and never remembering anything about it afterwards.
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Re: G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A.
« Reply #58 on: 29 September 2020, 07:43:31 »
If  i could, i'd use Lab program to make a Naval Surface Support Vehicle name the USS Montana. LOL but we'd need custom artillery to justify 16 inch guns.  I don't think Long Toms would cut the mustard for those unless your going give bonus for naval artillery shells to actually hit via spotter camera or something.
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« Reply #59 on: 29 September 2020, 13:17:26 »
If  i could, i'd use Lab program to make a Naval Surface Support Vehicle name the USS Montana. LOL but we'd need custom artillery to justify 16 inch guns.  I don't think Long Toms would cut the mustard for those unless your going give bonus for naval artillery shells to actually hit via spotter camera or something.

Can you use the Cruise Missile rules and fluff those as the 16 inch guns?

The spotter requirement would be annoying though.  Too bad there isn't an option for super-heavy targeting computers to provide bonuses (so that at certain tonnages, they would be more efficient than the existing Targeting Computers).  Make those SHTCs have a critical slot or location requirement, to allow for potential critical hits knocking out their bonuses.