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Title: Grumman LLV
Post by: Ramblefire on 09 September 2021, 14:40:50
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LLV (Long Life Vehicle) Light Transport Truck
Mass: 1.65 tons
Movement Type: Wheeled
Power Plant: ICE
Cruising Speed: 75.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 118.8 kph
Armor: BAR 3
Armament:
the front bumper I guess
Manufacturer: Grumman Amalgamated
Communication System:
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3000
Tech Rating/Availability: D/X-C-C-B
Cost: 4,453 C-bills

Type: New
Chassis Type: Wheeled (Small)
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Mass: 1,650 kg
Battle Value: 12

Equipment                                         Mass (kg)
Chassis/Controls                                  333.0
Engine/Trans.                                     656.0
    Cruise MP:7
Flank MP:11
Heat Sinks                    0                     0.0
Fuel                                               21.0
Armor Factor (BAR 3)          5                   190.0

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   1         2     
     R/L Side               1/1       1/1   
     Rear                    1         1     


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage   
None

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Cargo (0.45 tons)       1 Door   

The armor isn't all that much. It's not meant to protect against gunfire, really it's just there so that the driver can crash into small saplings and not damage the vehicle.

Edited to take suggestions into account. Vehicle is now 1.65 tons.
Rear bumper installed.
Title: Re: Grumman LLV
Post by: Daryk on 09 September 2021, 19:00:11
If it's only crash protection, I'd probably go with only BAR 2 armor.  That might let you install the rear bumper...
Title: Re: Grumman LLV
Post by: DevianID on 11 September 2021, 01:59:37
One note often found in btech designs is that cargo weight is not included in curb weight.  So an LLV (real world curb weight of 1200) with its 450kg cargo would be a 1650kg btech vehicle.  Your LLV has a curb weight of 750kg instead of the 1200kg actual LLV, which would be a very light mail truck indeed!
Title: Re: Grumman LLV
Post by: Giovanni Blasini on 11 September 2021, 02:07:34
One note often found in btech designs is that cargo weight is not included in curb weight.  So an LLV (real world curb weight of 1200) with its 450kg cargo would be a 1650kg btech vehicle.  Your LLV has a curb weight of 750kg instead of the 1200kg actual LLV, which would be a very light mail truck indeed!

Yeah, 1200 kg works out to being less than my Jeep Patriot, which has a 1402 kg curb weight, or my AMC Concord Wagon, which has a 1333 kg curb weight.  That's not including cargo weight for either vehicle.
Title: Re: Grumman LLV
Post by: Ramblefire on 13 September 2021, 11:32:54
If it's only crash protection, I'd probably go with only BAR 2 armor.  That might let you install the rear bumper...

It does, but with the increased weight budget that Devian brought up, I decided to keep using Bar3 and add more so that it isn't carrying around 100+ kg of fuel since that seemed a little excessive.

One note often found in btech designs is that cargo weight is not included in curb weight.  So an LLV (real world curb weight of 1200) with its 450kg cargo would be a 1650kg btech vehicle.  Your LLV has a curb weight of 750kg instead of the 1200kg actual LLV, which would be a very light mail truck indeed!
That actually clears up a lot. I wasn't really sure exactly how to translate real weight figures to the btech weight budget. That probably means my Hilux build is also probably severely underweight too now that I think about it.

Yeah, 1200 kg works out to being less than my Jeep Patriot, which has a 1402 kg curb weight, or my AMC Concord Wagon, which has a 1333 kg curb weight.  That's not including cargo weight for either vehicle.
IIRC that would be because after the IIHS started doing their enhanced testing regime, manufacturers have needed to add things like reinforcing structures and crumple zones and airbags and stuff or else they'll get blasted with a "marginal" or "poor". I don't know about the wagon, though for a compact car, it's definitely way sturdier than an LLV. That's not saying much though, considering how flimsy the LLV is.

In a real LLV, or even in this LLV, a moderate overlap crash at 40 mph would end very very badly indeed.