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AchanhiArusa

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Invincible class Carrier
« on: 17 February 2013, 13:36:25 »
This is my first attempt at the Large Naval Support rules, don't quite have all the tech codes down yet.  I went with the effect rather than dealing with BTs Schizotech problems, so even though this is a modern day ship it has some Star League tech (including the Phalanx "Dalek" Anti-missile system) and I ignored the 3 kitchen limit on vehicles.  I went with the earlier version of the British Invincible class, but ended up making it an amalgamation of all the incarnations.  I also ignored spaces which I need to check back on.

Invincible Class VTOL Carrier      Tech:  B (Except for Autocannons, AMS, and Thunderbolts)            
Class:                Naval Support               
Chassis             Large Naval Transport D      Spaces   271      
Mass                   23,590   tons            
MPs                 Cruise:  3   
                         Flank:  5         
Engine              5,521   tons   ICE         
Structure            4,612   tons            
Range           12,500   km         
Fuel                    6,901   tons            
Crew                    83               
Officers              17               
                  
Items                  
Flight Deck             1,500   tons   
Fighter Bays            1,500   tons   10   Bays   100 ton max   
VTOL Hanger Bays   600   tons   12   Bays   50 ton max   
AC/5                            8   tons   Turret 1   3rd Right   (1 Turret Ton)   
AC/5                            8   tons   Turret 2   3rd Left   (1 Turret Ton)   
Ammo                     600   tons            12000
AMS                            1   tons   Front         
AMS                            1   tons   Turret 1   3rd Right      
AMS                            1   tons   Turret 2   3rd Left      
Ammo                       667   tons            8004
Thunderbolt-20            15   tons   Front         
Thunderbolt-20            15   tons   Front         
Ammo                       150   tons            450
Lift Hoist                    3   tons            
Field Kitchens            30   tons   10   Kitchens   Feeds 1500
MASH Unit               9   tons   5   Theaters   
Comm. Equip            15   tons            
Infantry Units            250   tons    Bunks      1,400   
Cargo                      1,003.5   tons   Including Aircraft Fuel and Potable Water         
                  
         Points   Max      
Armor   80 (BAR 5)   points:  1268   IS
   Front                206         42
   Left-Front          206         42
   Left-Rear           206         42
   Right-Front      206         42
   Right-Rear          206         42
   Rear                   206         42
   Turret 1         16         
   Turret 2         16                  
« Last Edit: 17 February 2013, 13:39:03 by AchanhiArusa »
The Patton of wargame design, the Berg himself, is being immortally quoted elsewhere.
"Rich Berg once responded to gamers comments about one of his games, "I make this ****** up, so can you.""

"Back in MY day we played Battletech with figures made of LEAD! POISONED LEAD! And the only PAINT we had was RADIOACTIVE! Why, we lost at least THREE or FOUR dear friends every YEAR to BATTLETECH POISONING! But we didn't know any better, and we LIKED IT!
And we rolled DICE for HOURS to play our games! There was none of this plastic clicky nonsense! Our DICE were radioactive TOO! And we had to roll them for hours and hours and hours to track EVERY SINGLE MISSILE! Why, my some of my friends are STILL rolling dice for their last turn when I left Norman THREE YEARS ago! And I don't plan to move back for at least five years and it STILL won't be my turn! But we didn't know any better, and we LIKED IT.
These kids today."  --Jim Butcher, Dresden Chronicles Author

DarthMetool

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Re: Invincible class Carrier
« Reply #1 on: 17 February 2013, 22:26:36 »
Would you mind if I cleaned this up some?
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AchanhiArusa

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Re: Invincible class Carrier
« Reply #2 on: 17 February 2013, 23:14:38 »
Not at all, any tips you can give me would be very helpful.
The Patton of wargame design, the Berg himself, is being immortally quoted elsewhere.
"Rich Berg once responded to gamers comments about one of his games, "I make this ****** up, so can you.""

"Back in MY day we played Battletech with figures made of LEAD! POISONED LEAD! And the only PAINT we had was RADIOACTIVE! Why, we lost at least THREE or FOUR dear friends every YEAR to BATTLETECH POISONING! But we didn't know any better, and we LIKED IT!
And we rolled DICE for HOURS to play our games! There was none of this plastic clicky nonsense! Our DICE were radioactive TOO! And we had to roll them for hours and hours and hours to track EVERY SINGLE MISSILE! Why, my some of my friends are STILL rolling dice for their last turn when I left Norman THREE YEARS ago! And I don't plan to move back for at least five years and it STILL won't be my turn! But we didn't know any better, and we LIKED IT.
These kids today."  --Jim Butcher, Dresden Chronicles Author

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Re: Invincible class Carrier
« Reply #3 on: 18 February 2013, 20:48:52 »
Here we go.  Let's see what we got here.

Type: Invincible-class VTOL Carrier
Chassis Type: Naval Vessel (Large, Template D)
Tonnage: 23,590 tons              (Note: When calculating available space, round down.  23,590 tons results in 270 spaces)
Equipment Rating: E/X-X-F       (Note: Okay, you claimed Tech Rating B but used Tech Rating C structure and engine, so I changed that.  Also, the Thunderbolt launcher restricts availability F)

Equipment                                                       Mass
Chassis/Control:                                               4612
Engine/Trans:                      ICE                        5520.5  (Note: Here you have to round up to the nearest half-ton, not ton)
        Cruise MPs:                   3
        Flank MPs:                    5
Heat Sinks:                           -                              0
Power Amplifiers:                                                  0
Fuel:                                  12,500 km                6901
Turret:                                                                 2      (Note: Calculate weight of each turret, add them, then place result here)
Armor Factor (BAR 6):             1268                      61
       Front:                  42                   206
       Front R/L:            42                   206
       Rear R/L:             42                   206
       Rear:                   42                   206
       Turret 1:              42                    16
       Turret 2:              42                    16
Weapons and Ammo                                 Loc       Mass
Autocannon/5                                           T1          8
Autocannon/5                                           T2          8
Ammo AC/5 (12000)                                  B         600
Anti-Missile System                                    F          0.5        (Note: AMS is 0.5 tons, not 1 ton)
Anti-Missile System                                   T1         0.5
Anti-Missile System                                   T2         0.5
Ammo AMS (8004)                                     B         667
Thunderbolt-20                                          F           15
Thunderbolt-20                                          F           15
Ammo Thunderbolt-20 (450)                       B          150

Crew:

Cargo:
       1003.5 tons                  (Note: Potable water and fuel storage have cargo capacity equal to Tonnage x 0.91.  I'll leave this open for your interpretation)
       1500 tons  10 fighter bays
       600 tons   12 light vehicle bays

Notes: Features Tech Rating C chassis, engine and armor, flight deck (2500 tons), Lift Hoist (3 tons, Right), 10 field kitchens (30 tons, I'm going to leave this as is), MASH with 5 theaters (7.5 tons), Communications Equipment (15 tons), 50 infantry bays (250 tons).

Okay!  I've cleaned it up, so I'm going to check weight and....  wow.  This thing is overweight by 880 tons.  Come to think of it, you listed 1500 tons for the flight deck.  Do you think there is anything you can remove to get the target weight?  Oh, and as for space, you used about 76 spaces, so you are good.  Very roomy in that regard.
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AchanhiArusa

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Re: Invincible class Carrier
« Reply #4 on: 18 February 2013, 22:13:16 »
I checked the latest errata on TacOps v. 3.03 and it said that the Flight Deck was 1500 tons on page 48. 

it's under:  Heavy Weapons and Equipment Combat Data (p. 407)

4) Flight Deck/Helipad, Flight Deck: change the Weight (Tons) from “2,500” to “1,500” (my book still says 25,000 tons).

Other than that, thanks.  I apparently made a lot of silly mistakes on this, it's a lot to keep track of, much more complicated that a 'mech.  I'll need to double check my other designs.

Otherwise I would shave in ammo and fighter/VTOL bays.
« Last Edit: 18 February 2013, 22:23:02 by AchanhiArusa »
The Patton of wargame design, the Berg himself, is being immortally quoted elsewhere.
"Rich Berg once responded to gamers comments about one of his games, "I make this ****** up, so can you.""

"Back in MY day we played Battletech with figures made of LEAD! POISONED LEAD! And the only PAINT we had was RADIOACTIVE! Why, we lost at least THREE or FOUR dear friends every YEAR to BATTLETECH POISONING! But we didn't know any better, and we LIKED IT!
And we rolled DICE for HOURS to play our games! There was none of this plastic clicky nonsense! Our DICE were radioactive TOO! And we had to roll them for hours and hours and hours to track EVERY SINGLE MISSILE! Why, my some of my friends are STILL rolling dice for their last turn when I left Norman THREE YEARS ago! And I don't plan to move back for at least five years and it STILL won't be my turn! But we didn't know any better, and we LIKED IT.
These kids today."  --Jim Butcher, Dresden Chronicles Author

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Re: Invincible class Carrier
« Reply #5 on: 18 February 2013, 23:55:40 »
4) Flight Deck/Helipad, Flight Deck: change the Weight (Tons) from “2,500” to “1,500” (my book still says 25,000 tons).

.................................well.  Guess I have to rework my Bon Homme escort carrier.

Wow.
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Re: Invincible class Carrier
« Reply #6 on: 19 February 2013, 09:31:59 »
What era is the Invincible set in?  Thunderbolt Missiles became Advance Tech vs Experimental Tech by 3090.   
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Re: Invincible class Carrier
« Reply #7 on: 19 February 2013, 11:46:27 »
Probably then.  I am trying to find the best way to emulate the Sea Dart missile system based on the weight of the missile.  Since later versions of the Invincible class dropped the missiles, I could probably turn those into more cargo space.
The Patton of wargame design, the Berg himself, is being immortally quoted elsewhere.
"Rich Berg once responded to gamers comments about one of his games, "I make this ****** up, so can you.""

"Back in MY day we played Battletech with figures made of LEAD! POISONED LEAD! And the only PAINT we had was RADIOACTIVE! Why, we lost at least THREE or FOUR dear friends every YEAR to BATTLETECH POISONING! But we didn't know any better, and we LIKED IT!
And we rolled DICE for HOURS to play our games! There was none of this plastic clicky nonsense! Our DICE were radioactive TOO! And we had to roll them for hours and hours and hours to track EVERY SINGLE MISSILE! Why, my some of my friends are STILL rolling dice for their last turn when I left Norman THREE YEARS ago! And I don't plan to move back for at least five years and it STILL won't be my turn! But we didn't know any better, and we LIKED IT.
These kids today."  --Jim Butcher, Dresden Chronicles Author

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Re: Invincible class Carrier
« Reply #8 on: 19 February 2013, 16:17:40 »
Probably then.  I am trying to find the best way to emulate the Sea Dart missile system based on the weight of the missile.  Since later versions of the Invincible class dropped the missiles, I could probably turn those into more cargo space.

Naah.  Why show her when she was neutered?  Show her in fully glory would be best tribute to the old girl.
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"How do you defeat a Dragau? Shoot the damn thing. Lots." - Jellico 
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