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mmmpi

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #30 on: 05 June 2019, 03:12:47 »
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Char B1 Bis

Insert 'Squeee' here.

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In one infamous instance at Stonne, a single B1 took out thirteen Panzer IIIs and IVs and lived to fight another day.

I want to say this was the Elan but frankly I'm not quite an expert.

Thanks for shuffling your writing queue around.

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #31 on: 06 June 2019, 11:16:39 »
I want to say this was the Elan but frankly I'm not quite an expert.
Twas the Eure. I've been getting a lot of my info from the Tank Encyclopedia, and occasionally MilitaryFactory will have some info (the ammo count, for instance) that I can't find elsewhere.

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Thanks for shuffling your writing queue around.

No problem :)

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #32 on: 07 June 2019, 02:25:33 »
Twas the Eure. I've been getting a lot of my info from the Tank Encyclopedia, and occasionally MilitaryFactory will have some info (the ammo count, for instance) that I can't find elsewhere.

No problem :)

Sounds fine.  As I said, I'm not an expert!

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #33 on: 29 June 2019, 00:57:12 »
I didn't put together all the variants for this, because that would take forever. I'll add the /10, /16, and /21 to this post later. I'm still not sure how I'm gonna finagle the Pakwagen (251/22, with the long 75mm) without futzing with the overall tonnage of the vehicle tho. Suggestions on that score are welcome.


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SdKfz. 251 Halftrack
(IS Medium Support Vehicle)
 
Mass: 8.5 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Tech Rating: B
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Production Year: 1939
Cost: 31,436 C-Bills
Battle Value: 38
 
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
 
Power Plant: 75kW Maybach HL42 6-cyl
Cruise Speed: 32.4 kph
Flanking Speed: 54.0 kph
Armor: 6-14mm
Armament:
    2x 7.92mm MG34
Manufacturer: Hanomag, Adlerwerke, Skoda, Horch, Borgward
    Primary Factory: Germany, Terra (discontinued 1950)
Communications System: Basic radio
Targeting and Tracking System: None
 
================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Support (Tech Level B)        4 points                 2.984
Engine:             ICE (Tech Level B)                                     2.873
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Crew:               2
Fuel:               300km                                                  0.087
Armor:              BAR 5 (Tech Level B)   19 pts                          1.197
 
                                                      Armor     Internal
                                                      Factor    Structure
                                               Front      5        1
                                          Left/Right     5/5      1/1
                                                Rear      4        1
 
================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7.92mm MG                                    RR        0         1         0.020
7.92mm MG                                    FR        0         1         0.020
@7.92mm (2000)                               BD        -         0         0.080
31kg additional fuel                         BD        -         0         0.031
0.208T cargo                                 BD        -         0         0.208
1T infantry bay                              BD        -         0         1.000

Sonderkraftfahrzeug 251:
    The Nazi logistical and artillery corps were forced to use a wide variety of vehicles and towing methods over the course of the Second World War, including, to their chagrin, a large number of civilian vehicles and even horse-drawn wagons. Nonetheless, the most numerous and iconic motor vehicle they manufactured was the Sonderkraftfahrzeug 251, an all-purpose, all-terrain half-track, which went a long way towards properly mechanizing the German armed forces.
 
The design resembled that of an open-topped infantry carrier mated with a robust, armored engine and the front half of a particularly boxy truck. Enough welded armor was used to make the SdKfz 251 proof against most small arms, but it couldn't stand up to heavier projectiles, and wasn't meant to.
 
The base armament was fairly minimal, consisting only of a pair of machine guns and whatever equipment the ten infantrymen on board carried. There were, however, a host of variants for everything from setting up telephone lines to artillery tractor to medevac to an improvised anti-tank vehicle. The sheer versatility of the 251's chassis led to it being used on every front and nearly every formation, along with its shorter, lighter counterpart the SdKfz 250 and its predecessor the SdKfz 11. The 251 was also sold or gifted to several of Germany's allies.
 
 
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Slots: 6
Base chassis value: 0.15
Structure tech level: B (x1.3)
Tractor (x1.2)
Armored (x1.5)
    8,500kg * 0.15 * 1.3 * 1.2 * 1.5
    CHASSIS WEIGHT: 2,983.5kg
Base engine value: 0.013
in the rare instances where a turret appears,
its weight will depend on whats on it
Engine weight: 8.5 x 0.013 x 13 x 2(ICE tech B) = 2,873kg
fuel tank 160L = 118kg total
No FCS
Crew: 2
Max armor: 21
19 pts BAR 5 armor: 19x63 = 1,197kg

 
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BV2 calculations
 
Armor (BAR 5)    23.75
 19 pts * 2.5 * 0.5
Internals         6.0
 4 pts * 1.5
Def equipment     0.0
Vee Type (Trk)   x 0.9
Def Factor       x 1.2
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Def BV2          32.13
 
Weapon            BV
Vntg Minigun      1.5
Vntg Minigun (R)  0.75
@vµG (0.08T)      0.04
No FCS           x 0.8
Tonnage / 2       4.25
Speed factor     x 1.00
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Off BV2           6.082
 
Total BV2        38.212 -> (38)

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Chassis  [2.5k * 2.984T * 2 * 1.1]              16,412.00
Engine - ICE [5k * 2.873T * 1 (ICE)]            14,365.00
Armor - BAR 5 [200 * 19 pts]                     3,800.00
Tech Rating B                                   x    0.75
 
Base Structure Cost                  25,932.75
 
Heat Sinks (n/a)                                     0.00
Turret (n/a)                                         0.00
Power Amps (n/a)                                     0.00
 
Base tank cost                      25,932.75
 
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
@vµG (0.08x)                                        40.00
 
Cost with weapons                               28,972.75
 
Cost Multiplier                                 x   1.000
Chassis Modifier                                x   1.085
Dry Cost                                        31,435.43375
Total Cost                                      31,436.00

Not sure what I'll add next. I'll throw some variants onto earlier posts, too; e.g. the LT/Pz 35 post will eventually get an attachment with the TACAM R-2. Probably going to do the StuH 42 and Toldi next. (Edit: I added the StuH 42, the early-war StuG, and the Panzer III-N to their respective posts. I'll sometimes be adding variants to old posts from time to time in this fashion, but I'll put a note at the beginning of new posts saying which posts ye should go back and have a look at.)

Stuff I have statted out on paper but not in post form yet are in the following list. Variants that I've also already done the math on [are in brackets], while the ones I haven't gotten to are {in curly braces}.

In no particular order:
- Renault UE Chenillette [PaK36 auf UE] {Malaxa} {UE mit Wurfrähmen} [Sicherungsfahrzeug UE(f)]
- Type 89 I-Go
- AH-IV
- T-18 [T-18M]
- Panzer IV Ausf.E/F (early version)
- {I suppose on that note, I should restat the standard PzIV so it has BV and cost on paper.}
- T-60 [TACAM T-60]
- FCM 36 {Marder I/75 auf FCM36} {Marder I/76 auf FCM36} {105mm auf FCM36}
- M13/40 {M14/41} {Semovente 75/18, redone for short-barrel gun}
- wz.34A [wz.34B]
- 39M Csaba
- Hotchkiss H35 [H39] {Marder I/75 auf 39H} {Marder I/76 auf 39H} {105mm auf 39H} {Pz35H(f) mit Wurfrähmen}
- TK3 [TKS] [TKS-NKM]
- CV-33 [L3/Lf] [L3/CC] [L3/35]
- Panhard 178 {47mm version} {50mm version}
- Char D1 [Char D2]
- M3 Lee {M7 Priest} {M12 155mm Gun Motor Carriage}
- Mark I Tank {Mark IV Tank}
- SOMUA S35
- Valentine {Mk.VIII} {Mk.XI} {Bishop SPH} {Archer}
- Panzer II [PzII Ausf.G] [Wespe] [Marder II/75] {Marder II/76} {Lynx} {Bison II} {Flammpanzer II}
- P-47 Thunderbolt
- Panzer 38(t) {Marder III/75} {Marder III/76} {Flakpanzer 38} {Grille}
- M3 Halftrack [T12 75mm howitzer] {T19 105mm howitzer} {M21 81mm mortar} {T48 57mm AT} [M16 Quad-50cal]
- Komsomolets T-20 [ZiS-30 Danger Tractor]
- 40M Turan [41M Turan II] {43M Zrinyi II}
- Panzer V Panther (the 3 variants are close enough in BT stats that there's little point in differentiating them)
- Soviet T-35
- FIAT 3000 L5/21 [L5/30]
- Vickers Medium Mk.II {Dragon} {RAF Habbaniya Custom, because why not}
- Marmon-Herrington MTLS-1GI4
- Daimler Dingo
- Redone M3 Stuart [M5 Stuart] [M8 Scott] [M5 Tractor]
- Redone M4 Sherman {M4/105} {M4/76 Firefly} {M4A3E2 Jumbo} {M4A3E8 Easy Eight} {M40 155mm Gun Motor Carriage} {M10 Wolverine} {M36 Hellcat} {M4A3R3 Zippo} {Sherman Kangaroo}

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #34 on: 07 July 2019, 19:38:30 »
(Added StuG III early variant and StuH 42 to the StuG III post.)
(Added Panzer III Ausf.N to the Panzer III post.)

Here's something for Hungary. Huehue.

Edit: *quietly fixes BV calculation*

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38M Toldi
(IS Medium Support Vehicle)

Mass: 9 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Tech Rating: B
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Production Year: 1938
Cost: 36,909 C-Bills
Battle Value: 54

Construction Options: Fractional Accounting

Power Plant: 116kW Bussing-Nag V8
Cruise Speed: 32.4 kph
Flanking Speed: 54.0 kph
Armor: 10-20mm armor
Armament:
    20mm QF 36M Solothurn
    8mm 38M Gebauer MG
Manufacturer: MAVAG, Ganz (Licensed from Landsverk AB)
    Primary Factory: Hungary, Terra (discontinued 1943)
Communications System: 38MR/5 radio
Targeting and Tracking System: n/a

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Support (Tech Level B)         5 points                2.633
Engine:             ICE (Tech Level B)                                     3.042
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Crew:               3
Fuel:               200km    0.061
Turret:                                                                    0.500
Armor:              BAR 5 (Tech Level B)   22 pts                          1.386

                                                      Armor     Internal
                                                      Factor    Structure
                                               Front      5        1
                                          Left/Right     4/4      1/1
                                              Turret      5        1
                                                Rear      4        1

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
20mm cannon                                  TU        2         1         0.130
@20mm (240)                                  BD        -         0         0.240
8mm MG                                       TU        0         1         0.020
@8mm (2000)                                  BD        -         0         0.080
Fuel Tank (0.189T)                           BD        -         0         0.189
0.3T wasted space                            BD        -         0         0.300
Cargo (0.419T)                               BD        -         0         0.419

38M Toldi:
   The Kingdom of Hungary's domestic tank production got off to a start in 1938 with a licensed version of the Swedish L-60 light tank, the first in the world with the then-new torsion-bar suspension system. The Toldi, named after a medieval knight from Hungary's history, was a little heavier than the Swedish design and used domestically-made Hungarian parts, along with a few parts supplied by Germany.

   Though the Toldi was adequate for the early part of the war, and the initial push of the Axis (which the Hungarians had joined in exchange for territorial concessions) into Russia, it quickly proved to be too lightly armored and armed to deal with larger Soviet tanks like the KV-1 and T-34. Its minuscule 20-millimeter cannon fire simply bounced off heavier armor at any range beyond point-blank -- hardly news to the Mechwarriors and soldiers of today, but shocking to those who designed military vehicles in the 1930s expecting the Second World War to have similar tactics and vehicles to the First.

   An improved suspension and a larger, 40-millimeter gun were fitted to later models of the Toldi from 1942 on. (43M Toldi: +0.5T mass, +1 FR armor, 40mm/@(100) replaces the main gun. BV 61; cost 41,257 C-Bills.) Even these improvements couldn't save the design from complete obsolescence.


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Slots: 6
Base chassis value: 0.15
Structure tech level: B (x1.3)
Armored Chassis (x1.5)
9,000kg * 0.15 * 1.3 * 1.5
CHASSIS WEIGHT: 2,633kg
Base engine value: 0.013
yes turret
Engine weight: 9 x 0.013 x 13 x 2(ICE tech B) = 3,042kg
Fuel (200km): 0.02 x 3,042 = 61kg fuel in BT
actual fuel levels unknown, i'ma ballpark it
given its speed and tonnage, let's say 250kg total
No FCS
Crew: 3
for that matter, i can't find any ammo figures for
this thing either, so I'll use the PzII as a rough
comparison
Max armor: 22
22 pts BAR 5 armor (B): 22x63 = 1386kg


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BV2 calculations

Armor (BAR 5)    27.5
 22 pts * 2.5 * 0.5
Internals     7.5
 5 pts * 1.5
Def equipment       0.0
Vee Type (Trk)    x 0.9
Def Factor   x 1.2
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Def BV2    37.8


Weapon              BV
20mm (LtRR)        12.0
@20mm (0.24T)       0.72
Vntg Minigun        1.5
@vµG (0.08T)        0.04
No FCS            x 0.8
Tonnage / 2     4.5
Speed factor   x 1.00
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Off BV2    15.908

Total BV2    53.708 -> (54)

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Chassis  [2.5k * 2.633T * 2 (Armored)]   13,165.00
Engine - ICE [5k * 3.042T * 1 (ICE)] 15,210.00
Armor - BAR 5 [200 * 22 pts] 4,400.00
Tech Rating B x    0.75

Base Structure Cost         24,581.25

Heat Sinks (n/a)                                     0.00
Turret (5k * 0.5T) 2,500.00
Power Amps (n/a)      0.00

Base tank cost         27,081.25

20mm Cannon (LtRecRf)                            5,000.00
@20mm (0.24T)                                      240.00
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
@vµG (0.08T)                                        40.00

Cost with weapons                               33,861.25

Cost Multiplier                                 x   1.000
Chassis Modifier                                x   1.090
Dry Cost                                        36,908.7625
Total Cost                                      36,909.00

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #35 on: 17 July 2019, 10:14:45 »
(Reworked the Renault FT and its variants to use the 'B-' tech level, adding the 1931 'upgrade' and the howitzer version.)
(Also added the TACAM R-2 to the Pz35t post on the first page.)


Here we go.

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Carro Armato Fiat L6/40
(IS Medium Support Vehicle)

Mass: 7 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Tech Rating: B
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Production Year: 1940
Cost: 29,557 C-Bills
Battle Value: 41

Construction Options: Fractional Accounting

Power Plant: 52kW SPA 180 4-cyl
Cruise Speed: 21.6 kph
Flanking Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: 8-22mm armor
Armament:
    20mm Breda 35
    8mm Breda 38 MG
Manufacturer: Fiat-Ansaldo
    Primary Factory: Italy, Terra (discontinued 1944)
Communications System: Basic radio (some models)
Targeting and Tracking System: n/a

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Support (Tech Level B)         5 points                2.457
Engine:             ICE (Tech Level B)                                     1.456
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Crew:               2
Fuel:               200km        0.029
Turret:                                                                    0.500
Armor:              BAR 5 (Tech Level B)   18 pts                          1.134

                                                      Armor     Internal
                                                      Factor    Structure
                                               Front      5        1
                                          Left/Right     3/3      1/1
                                              Turret      5        1
                                                Rear      2        1

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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20mm cannon                                  TU        2         1         0.130
@20mm (296)                                  BD        -         0         0.296
8mm MG                                       TU        0         1         0.020
@8mm (1560)                                  BD        -         0         0.063
Additional fuel (119kg)                      BD        -         0         0.119
0.2T wasted space                            BD        -         0         0.200
596kg cargo                                  BD        -         0         0.596

Fiat-Ansaldo L6/40:
   Italy's industrial base was never up to par with that of the other major powers in the Second World War. The need for an effective light tank that mounted armament heavier than machine guns was quite pressing, since the tiny L3 tankettes the Italian Army relied upon were simply too small to be effective as anything but scouts. After some work perfecting a better suspension, the L6/40 light tank was rolled out in late 1940.

   The L6/40 was tall for a light tank, but otherwise was in many ways comparable to a slightly tougher, lighter Panzer II. With a 20-millimeter cannon and a coaxial machine gun, it was usable against early-war tanks and light vehicles, and it had decent off-road capabilities.

   The true problems with the design started to show themselves when the Italians were forced to deploy the L6/40 in forward combat roles, due to the Italian Army's general lack of medium and heavy tanks. Against heavier units like the T-34, Matilda, and M3 Lee, a light tank like the L6/40 simply couldn't do enough damage to be effective. The ones that survived brutal Soviet offensives and the invasion of Italy were seized by the Germans and used until the war's end.

   A variant with a flamethrower was put together as an anti-infantry vehicle, but saw little use. (L6/LF: Replace 20mm gun with vFlamer/@(14). 37 BV; cost 32,664 C-Bills.) The L6's far more prominent derivative was a tank destroyer with a 47-millimeter gun, which saw several hundred examples built. (Semovente da 47/32: No turret, armor more biased to front, armament is 47mm/@(70) with no backup MG. 43 BV; cost 27,770 C-Bills.) There was also a turretless ammo carrier, armed only with a machine gun; it was designed to support the much larger 90-millimeter self-propelled guns the Italians fielded.

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Slots: 5
Base chassis value: 0.15
Structure tech level: B (x1.3)
Armored Chassis (x1.5)
Tractor (x1.2)
7,000kg * 0.15 * 1.3 * 1.5 * 1.2
CHASSIS WEIGHT: 2,457kg
Base engine value: 0.013
yes turret
Engine weight: 7 x 0.013 x 8 x 2(ICE tech B) = 1,456kg
Fuel (200km): 0.02 x 1456 = 29kg fuel
but it carried 200L of petrol, so total fuel should be 148kg
Crew: 2
Max armor: 18
18 pts BAR 5 armor (B): 18x63 = 1,134kg

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Armor (BAR 5)    22.5
 18 pts * 2.5 * 0.5
Internals     7.5
 5 pts * 1.5
Def equipment       0.0
Vee Type (Trk)    x 0.9
Def Factor   x 1.1
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Def BV2    29.7


Weapon              BV
20mm (LtRR)        12.0
@20mm (0.296T)      0.888
Vntg Minigun        1.5
@vµG (0.063T)       0.0315
No FCS            x 0.8
Tonnage / 2     3.5
Speed factor   x 0.77
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Off BV2    11.577412

Total BV2    41.277412 -> (41)

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Chassis  [2.5k * 2.457T * 2 (Arm) * 1.1 (Tra)]  13,513.50
Engine - ICE [5k * 1.456T * 1 (ICE)] 7,280.00
Armor - BAR 5 [200 * 18 pts] 3,600.00
Tech Rating B x    0.75

Base Structure Cost         18,295.125

Heat Sinks (n/a)                                     0.00
Turret (5k * 0.5T) 2,500.00
Power Amps (n/a)      0.00

Base tank cost         20,795.125

20mm Cannon (LtRecRf)                            5,000.00
@20mm (0.296T)                                     296.00
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
@vµG (0.063T)                                       31.50

Cost with weapons                               27,622.625

Cost Multiplier                                 x   1.000
Chassis Modifier                                x   1.070
Dry Cost                                        29,556.20875
Total Cost                                      29,557.00

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #36 on: 01 August 2019, 00:35:35 »
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A9 Cruiser Tank, Mark I
(IS Medium Support Vehicle)

Mass: 13 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Tech Rating: B
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Production Year: 1936
Cost: 56,414 C-Bills
Battle Value: 68

Construction Options: Fractional Accounting

Power Plant: 110kW AEC 179 6-cyl
Cruise Speed: 32.4 kph
Flanking Speed: 54.0 kph
Armor: 6-14mm
Armament:
    40mm Quick-Fire 2-Pounder
    3x 7.7mm Vickers MG
Manufacturer: Vickers-Armstrong, Harland And Wolff
    Primary Factory: United Kingdom, Terra (discontinued 1941)
Communications System: Basic radio
Targeting and Tracking System: None

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Support (Tech Level B)        10 points                3.803
Engine:             ICE (Tech Level B)                                     4.394
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Crew:               6
Fuel:               240km    0.065
Turret:                                                                    1.500
Armor:              BAR 5 (Tech Level B)   20 pts                          1.260

                                                      Armor     Internal
                                                      Factor    Structure
                                               Front      5        2
                                          Left/Right     4/4      2/2
                                              Turret      5        2
                                                Rear      2        2

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
40mm Cannon                                  TU        2         1         0.690
@40mm (100)                                  BD        -         0         0.150
7.7mm MG                                   FR/LS*      0         1         0.020
7.7mm MG                                   FR/RS*      0         1         0.020
7.7mm MG                                     TU        0         1         0.020
@7.7mm (3000)                                BD        -         0         0.120
205kg additional fuel                        BD        -         0         0.205
753kg cargo                                  BD        -         0         0.753


*These machine guns are in secondary turrets with a limited traverse, but
are counted as front-mounted for the purposes of damage. One can target the
Front and Left Side arcs, while the other can target the Front and Right
arcs.

A9 Cruiser Tank, Mark I:
   When Vickers-Armstrong was contracted by the Crown to design and build effective fast tanks for the British Army, they turned to their superstar tank designer John Carden. Carden lent his considerable talent and expertise to the design of the A9 Cruiser Tank Mark I, but died in a plane crash with the blueprints still unfinished.

   With the introduction of the then-new Christie suspension system, which allowed impressive mass and speed for the time, the A9 (which used the older coil-spring method) was obsolete before it was even built. On top of this, it inherited the needless complexity of a multi-turret setup, which was common to several designs of the 1930s. This led to high crew requirements and difficulties in manufacturing.

   Nonetheless, the A9 did have acceptable weaponry and good speed for the time period, particularly given the tank's low cost and heavy reliance on off-the-shelf components. It did skimp on armor, but even in that era, speed was seen as a level of protection all its own. The British ordered 125 of these tanks as a stopgap while better models were designed and pushed out.

   The A9 served in France, where it was adequate at best due to its limited armor, and in North Africa where it fared somewhat better. A close-support version with a howitzer was also seen in small numbers.

   Despite its limited production, the A9 was quite influential on British tank design during the war -- at least once its superfluous secondary turrets were removed. An up-armored derivative known as the A10 sacrificed some speed for better survivability. The later A13 cruiser tanks (Marks III-V) and the A15 Crusader can in many ways be seen as direct successors, while the chassis itself was also enlarged and reworked into the Valentine infantry tank.


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Slots: 6
Base chassis value: 0.15
Structure tech level: B (x1.3)
Armored Chassis (x1.5)
13,000kg * 0.15 * 1.3 * 1.5
CHASSIS WEIGHT: 3,803kg
Base engine value: 0.013
This has 3 turrets, but two of them are little secondary
  turrets on the front, so we'll just fold the weight into
  the main one
Engine weight: 13 x 0.013 x 13 x 2(ICE tech B) = 4,394kg
No FCS
Crew: 6
Max armor: 30
20 pts BAR 5 armor: 20x63 = 1,260kg


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BV2 calculations

Armor (BAR 5)    25.0
 20 pts * 2.5 * 0.5
Internals    15.0
 10 pts * 1.5
Def equipment       0.0
Vee Type (Trk)    x 0.9
Def Factor   x 1.2
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Def BV2    43.2

Weapon            BV
40mm (MedRR)       19.0
@40mm (0.15T)       0.75
Vintage MG          1.0
Vintage MG          1.0
Vintage MG          1.0
@vMG (0.12T)        0.06
No FCS            x 0.8
Tonnage / 2     6.5
Speed factor   x 1.00
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Off BV2    24.748

Total BV2    67.948 -> (68)

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Chassis  [2.5k * 3.803T * 2 (Arm)]              19,015.00
Engine - ICE [5k * 4.394T * 1 (ICE)] 21,970.00
Armor - BAR 5 [200 * 20 pts] 4,000.00
Tech Rating B x    0.75

Base Structure Cost         33,738.75

Heat Sinks (n/a)                                     0.00
Turret (5k * 1.5T) 7,500.00
Power Amps (n/a)      0.00

Base tank cost         41,238.75

40mm Cannon (MedRecRf)                           7,500.00
@40mm (0.15T)                                      225.00
Vintage MG                                         300.00
Vintage MG                                         300.00
Vintage MG                                         300.00
@vMG (0.12x)                                        60.00

Cost with weapons                               49,923.75

Cost Multiplier                                 x   1.000
Chassis Modifier                                x   1.130
Dry Cost                                        56,413.8375
Total Cost                                      56,414.00

Suralin

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #37 on: 06 August 2019, 11:11:35 »
(Flammpanzer I added to the very first post in this thread, the Panzer I post.)

(Original T-28 added to this post.)

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TECH LEVEL OVERVIEW: **B-**

Representing a transitional period between early-industrial machinery and artillery, and
the weapons of war that start to resemble those of the modern era, the 'B-Minus' Tech
Level roughly corresponds to World War I tech levels, or more broadly, the 1895 to
1928 time period. Many of these vehicles and weapons carried over into World War II.

Units made with this tech level are essentially "primitive" compared to Tech Level B,
but follow all the rules for Tech Level B units with the following exceptions:

1) Armor is roughly 20 percent heavier per-point with B-minus tech. BAR 2 is 30kg
per point, BAR 3 is 45kg per point, BAR 4 is 60kg per point, and BAR 5 is 75kg per
point. Higher Barrier Armor Ratings were not available in this time period.
2) Vehicle structure multiplier is 1.45 rather than 1.3.
3) Engine weight multiplier is 3.75 for steam engines and 3 for ICE, rather than 3.5
and 2, respectively.
4) Cost multiplier is 0.65 rather than 0.75.

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NEW OLD EQUIPMENT OVERVIEW

Short-Barrel 76mm (Short 76)
Support Vees only. Tech Level B.
800kg, 10kg/shot. 4 damage vs. BAR 5, plus 1d6 against BAR 4 and below. Range 4/13/26/39(130).
Above BAR 5, treat as a Mech-Mounted Medium Recoilless, with the appropriate BV and cost.
May fire indirectly as Artillery vs BAR 5 and below, max range 9 mapsheets.

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Sredniy Tank T-28E
(IS Medium Support Vehicle)

Mass: 31 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Tech Rating: B-
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Production Year: 1932
Cost: 128,328 C-Bills
Battle Value: 113

Construction Options: Fractional Accounting

Power Plant: 373kW Mikulin 12-cyl M17
Cruise Speed: 21.6 kph
Flanking Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: 30-50mm
Armament:
    76.2mm KT-28 howitzer
    4x 7.62mm DT machine guns
Manufacturer: Kirov "Bolshevik" Factory, Red Putilov Factory
    Primary Factory: Soviet Union, Terra (discontinued 1941)
Communications System: 71-TK-2 Radio set
Targeting and Tracking System: None

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Support (Tech Level B-)       20 points               12.137
Engine:             ICE (Tech Level B-)                                    9.672
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Crew:               6
Fuel:               220km    0.213
Turret:                                                                    1.500
Armor:              BAR 5 (Tech Level B-)  44 pts                          3.300

                                                      Armor     Internal
                                                      Factor    Structure
                                               Front     11        4
                                          Left/Right     8/8      4/4
                                              Turret     10        4
                                                Rear      7        4

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Short 76mm                                   TU        3         1         0.800
@Sh76 (70)                                   BD        -         0         0.700
7.62mm MG                                  FR/LS*      0         1         0.020
7.62mm MG                                  FR/RS*      0         1         0.020
2 7.62mm MGs                                 TU        0         1         0.040
@7.7mm (8320)                                BD        -         0         0.333
265kg additional fuel                        BD        -         0         0.265
2T cargo                                     BD        -         0         2.000


*These machine guns are in secondary turrets with a limited traverse, but
are counted as front-mounted for the purposes of damage. One can target the
Front and Left Side arcs, while the other can target the Front and Right arcs.

T-28E:
   The Soviets took to the British multi-turret concept in the 1930s with great enthusiasm, producing three tanks along those lines. The T-35 was exactly the sort of oversized, impressive-looking machine that looked incredible on parade, but was otherwise useless. The T-26, a licensed derivative of the British Vickers 6-Ton, started off with side-by-side machine gun turrets before winding up with a more conventional (and effective) armament. And the T-28 was somewhere in the middle, serving as a relatively decent infantry tank for the time.

   The T-28 used much the same turret configuration as the British A9 designed a few years later, with one main turret housing the primary weapon and a pair of machine-gun turrets embedded in the frontal hull. This, of course, increased cost and crew requirements, though the latter was hardly an issue for the Soviets.

   As far as speed was concerned, the T-28 used a repurposed aircraft engine, letting it reach well above 30kph on roads, which was a fairly good speed for a tank of its size at the time. The weaponry was acceptable for the 1930s, as well, though this was mainly due to the fact that most armor of that time was quite thin, so even the low-velocity 76-millimeter gun could penetrate.

   Despite being as massive as the French B1 bis, though, the T-28 was sorely lacking in protection. After taking considerable losses to the under-gunned Finns in the Winter War, the Soviets began to up-armor the T-28, which produced the T-28E variant. This made the tank considerably tougher, but overstressed the already outmoded suspension system, leading to frequent breakdowns. By the end of 1941 there were few T-28s still serviceable. The Axis powers also captured and used a tiny handful of these tanks.


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Slots: 6
Base chassis value: 0.15
Structure tech level: B- (x1.45)
Armored Chassis (x1.5)
Tractor (x1.2)
31,000kg * 0.15 * 1.45 * 1.5 * 1.2
CHASSIS WEIGHT: 12,137kg
Base engine value: 0.013
yes turret
Engine weight: 31 x 0.013 x 8 x 3(ICE tech B-) = 9,672kg
No FCS
   no info on fuel capacity, so i'll ballpark it at the end
Max armor: 66
44 pts BAR 5 armor (B-): 44x75 = 3,300kg


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BV2 calculations

Armor (BAR 5)    55.0
 44 pts * 2.5 * 0.5
Internals    30.0
 20 pts * 1.5
Def equipment       0.0
Vee Type (Trk)    x 0.9
Def Factor   x 1.1
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Def BV2    84.15

Weapon            BV
Short76 (MedRecRf) 19.0
@Sh76 (0.7T)        3.5
Vintage MG          1.0
Vintage MG          1.0
Vintage MG          1.0
Vintage MG          1.0
@vMG (0.333T)       0.1665
No FCS            x 0.8
Tonnage / 2    15.5
Speed factor   x 0.77
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Off BV2    28.361564

Total BV2   112.511564 -> (113)

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Chassis  [2.5k * 12.137T * 2 (Arm) * 1.1 (Trc)] 66,753.50
Engine - ICE [5k * 9.672T * 1 (ICE)] 48,360.00
Armor - BAR 5 [200 * 44 pts] 8,800.00
Tech Rating B-minus x    0.65

Base Structure Cost         80,543.775

Heat Sinks (n/a)                                     0.00
Turret (5k * 1.5T) 7,500.00
Power Amps (n/a)      0.00

Base tank cost         88,043.775

Short 76mm (Mech Medium Recoilless)              7,500.00
@Short76 (0.7T)                                  1,050.00
Vintage MG                                         300.00
Vintage MG                                         300.00
Vintage MG                                         300.00
Vintage MG                                         300.00
@vMG (0.333x)                                      166.50

Cost with weapons                               97,960.275

Cost Multiplier                                 x   1.000
Chassis Modifier                                x   1.310
Dry Cost                                       128,327.96025
Total Cost                                     128,328.00

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #38 on: 30 January 2020, 00:15:10 »
So I've been dealing with some nonsense. Some pretty surprisingly deep nonsense. But I return nonetheless.

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Panzer 38(t) Ausf.G
(IS Medium Support Vehicle)

Mass: 10 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Tech Rating: B
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Production Year: 1938
Cost: 42,972 C-Bills
Battle Value: 55

Construction Options: Fractional Accounting

Power Plant: 92kW Praga Typ TNHPS/II 6-cyl
Cruise Speed: 21.6 kph
Flanking Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: 8-50mm armor
Armament:
    3.7cm Skoda KwK 38(t) L\48
    2x 7.92mm ZB53 MGs
Manufacturer: Ceskomoravska Kolben-Danek
    Primary Factory: Czechoslovakia, Terra (discontinued 1942)
Communications System: Basic radio
Targeting and Tracking System: n/a

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Support (Tech Level B)        5 points                 3.510
Engine:             ICE (Tech Level B)                                     2.080
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Crew:               4
Fuel:               200km    0.042
Turret:                                                                    0.500
Armor:              BAR 5 (Tech Level B)   24 pts                          1.512

                                                      Armor     Internal
                                                      Factor    Structure
                                               Front      7        1
                                          Left/Right     4/4      1/1
                                              Turret      6        1
                                                Rear      3        1

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
37mm cannon                                  TU        0         1         0.550
@37mm (90)                                   BD        -         0         0.090
7.92mm MG                                    TU        0         1         0.020
@7.92mm (2550)                               BD        -         0         0.102
7.92mm MG                                    FR        0         1         0.020
Fuel Tank (0.120T)                           BD        -         0         0.120
0.2T wasted space                            BD        -         0         0.200
Cargo (1.254T)                               BD        -         0         1.254

Panzer 38(t):
   The newly-minted independent nation of Czechoslovakia had a decent industrial base for a nation of its size, and knew that it would need to be able to defend itself from more than simply infantry attacks. Their LT-35 was built for that purpose, and the LT-38 was intended to improve on and replace it as time went on. Unfortunately for them, they were invaded and conquered by Nazi Germany before more than a handful could be built.

   The Nazis, for their part, found the LT-38 chassis quite useful throughout the war. After renaming it the Panzer 38(t), with the (t) meaning 'Tschechisch' (Czech), they used it in its stock form quite effectively in Poland, France, North Africa, and Yugoslavia, and the little chassis served quite ably in adverse conditions with very easy maintenance requirements and solid performance in all sorts of different terrain.

   Basic weaponry on the Pz38(t) consisted of the then-standard 37-millimeter gun, with a pair of machine guns, one coaxial in the turret, the other mounted forward. A 200-kilometer fuel tank gave the vehicle acceptable range for the time, and it was mobile enough at the time for its limited, brittle armor to only become a liability once heavier guns came into play.

   As with many pre-war and early-war tanks, though, the Panzer 38(t) simply couldn't hold up against the bigger designs that became the norm of ground combat after the initial invasion of Russia. It was simply too useful and reliable a chassis to discard, and the Germans simply couldn't afford to spare the time to retool the Skoda factory to produce something bigger. (They eventually fobbed off their remaining spare chassis on their Axis cohorts, and most served in Hungarian, Slovakian, or Romanian formations.)

   What the Nazis wound up doing instead was retrofitting the little chassis in a host of different ways, usually for support and sniping roles. Removing the turret and welding a 75-millimeter or captured Russian 76-millimeter gun on top yielded the two main versions of the Marder III. A conversion to mount the snub-nosed 150-millimeter bunker-busting howitzer produced the Grille, which had two widely differing appearances depending on the model. There was an anti-air flak variant, a pair of rare flamethrower and recon variants, a salvage chassis, and a training chassis.

   Probably the best-known conversion, though, was the Jagdpanzer 38(t), better known (and quite incorrectly, in hindsight) as the Hetzer. That name, of course, went on to inspire that of the common garrison vehicle of today. Like its modern forbear, the ancient Hetzer mounted a forward-facing gun and no secondary weaponry; it relied on its small size and ambush tactics, along with the then-effective 75-millimeter high-velocity gun, to deal damage to unsuspecting targets. The Germans manufactured thousands of these little vehicles in an attempt to stem the tide of the advancing Soviets, but it was to no avail.

   The neutral nation of Sweden had also ordered some of the standard LT-38 tanks from the Czechs before the war broke out; they were eventually produced as the Stridsvagn M/41, saw no combat, and were later converted to APCs. Peru also bought a number of these tanks, designating them Tanque 38/39, and after a phenomenal performance in a brief war against Ecuador, the Peruvians kept them in service until the end of the 1980s. The Swiss also used a locally-built version of the Jagdpanzer 38(t) called the G-13 for some years.


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Slots: 6
Base chassis value: 0.15
Structure tech level: B (x1.3)
Armored Chassis (x1.5)
Tractor (x1.2)
10,000kg * 0.15 * 1.3 * 1.5 * 1.2
CHASSIS WEIGHT: 3,510kg
Base engine value: 0.013
yes turret
Engine weight: 10 x 0.013 x 8 x 2(ICE tech B) = 2,080kg
Fuel (200km): 0.02 x 2,080 = 42kg fuel in BT
additional fuel I worked out to 120kg
No FCS
Crew: 4
Max armor: 24
24 pts BAR 5 armor (B): 24x63 = 1512kg


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BV2 calculations

Armor (BAR 5)    30.0
 24 pts * 2.5 * 0.5
Internals     7.5
 5 pts * 1.5
Def equipment       0.0
Vee Type (Trk)    x 0.9
Def Factor   x 1.1
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Def BV2    37.125


Weapon              BV
37mm (MedRR)       19.0
@37mm (0.09T)       0.45
Vntg Minigun        1.5
Vntg Minigun        1.5
@vµG (0.102T)       0.051
No FCS            x 0.8
Tonnage / 2     5.0
Speed factor   x 0.77
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Off BV2    17.710616

Total BV2    54.835616 -> (55)

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Chassis  [2.5k * 3.510T * 2 (Arm) * 1.1 (Tra)] 19,305.00
Engine - ICE [5k * 2.080T * 1 (ICE)] 10,400.00
Armor - BAR 5 [200 * 24 pts] 4,800.00
Tech Rating B x    0.75

Base Structure Cost         25,878.75

Heat Sinks (n/a)                                     0.00
Turret (5k * 0.5T) 2,500.00
Power Amps (n/a)      0.00

Base tank cost         28,378.75

37mm Cannon (MedRecRf)                           7,500.00
@37mm (0.09T)                                      135.00
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
@vµG (0.102T)                                       51.00

Cost with weapons                               39,064.75

Cost Multiplier                                 x   1.000
Chassis Modifier                                x   1.100
Dry Cost                                        42,971.225
Total Cost                                      42,972.00

(Space reserved for the Grille and SdKfz 140/1.)

Suralin

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #39 on: 16 June 2020, 10:29:21 »
Time has been a weird abyss the past few months. Especially with what I've been going through. But I should start actually posting more stuff soon. I'm gonna be focusing on pre-1942 units primarily.

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Jagdpanzer 38(t) (Hetzer)
(IS Medium Support Vehicle)

Mass: 16 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Tech Rating: B
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Production Year: 1944
Cost: 94,123 C-Bills
Battle Value: 78

Construction Options: Fractional Accounting

Power Plant: 118kW Praga Typ TNHPS/II 6-cyl
Cruise Speed: 21.6 kph
Flanking Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: 8-60mm armor
Armament:
    7.5cm PaK39 L\48
    7.92mm MG34
Manufacturer: Böhmisch-Mährische Maschinenfabrik (formerly CKD), Škoda
    Primary Factory: Czechoslovakia, Terra (discontinued 1945)
Communications System: Basic radio
Targeting and Tracking System: n/a

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Support (Tech Level B)        8 points                 5.616
Engine:             ICE (Tech Level B)                                     3.328
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Crew:               4
Fuel:               177km    0.059
Armor:              BAR 5 (Tech Level B)   36 pts                          2.268

                                                      Armor     Internal
                                                      Factor    Structure
                                               Front     13        2
                                          Left/Right     9/9      2/2
                                                Rear      5        2

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
75mm cannon                                  FR        4         1         3.000
@75mm (41)                                   BD        -         0         1.025
7.92mm MG                                    FR*       0         1         0.020
@7.92mm (1200)                               BD        -         0         0.048
Fuel Tank (0.177T)                           BD        -         0         0.177
0.25T wasted space                           BD        -         0         0.250
Cargo (0.209T)                               BD        -         0         0.209


*The machine gun on the Jagdpanzer 38t is in fact top-mounted, remote-controlled,
and has a 360-degree traverse, but statting out a full turret on the machine just
for that seems unnecessary, and would be liable to make the little thing much more
fragile than it really was due to BT combat rules. Treat its firing arc as though it
was turret-mounted anyway, though.

Jagdpanzer 38(t):
   Inspired by a similar Romanian project called the Maresal, an enlarged version of the otherwise-obsolete Panzer 38(t) chassis was given a 75-millimeter forward gun from Panzer IV production. It also gained a rather surprising amount of sloped armor for the era, particularly for a tank of its tonnage. The resulting Jagdpanzer 38(t) was small, cheap, and compact, and a surprisingly effective ambush predator given all the limitations involved in its construction. Its mechanical reliability and low cost led to it being one of the most common Axis tank destroyers in the late part of the war.

   The Czechs and Swiss wound up using decent numbers of these tanks post-war, though not for terribly long. A few variants cropped up as well, including a version with the Grille's 150-millimeter short-barrel cannon, a flamethrower variant, and an unarmed salvage variant.

   It should also be noted that while the term "Hetzer" (German for "chaser" or "baiter") was coined for this casemate tank, and it was often referred to as such post-war, this name never received official status. Nonetheless it heavily inspired the modern urban tank of the same name in both design and function.


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Slots: 6
Base chassis value: 0.15
Structure tech level: B (x1.3)
Armored Chassis (x1.5)
Tractor (x1.2)
16,000kg * 0.15 * 1.3 * 1.5 * 1.2
CHASSIS WEIGHT: 5,616kg
Base engine value: 0.013
yes turret
Engine weight: 16 x 0.013 x 8 x 2(ICE tech B) = 3,328kg
Fuel (177km): 0.0177 x 3,328 = 59kg fuel in BT
additional fuel I worked out to 177kg
No FCS
Crew: 4
Max armor: 36
36 pts BAR 5 armor (B): 36x63 = 2,268kg


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BV2 calculations

Armor (BAR 5)    45.0
 36 pts * 2.5 * 0.5
Internals    12.0
 8 pts * 1.5
Def equipment       0.0
Vee Type (Trk)    x 0.9
Def Factor   x 1.1
---------------------
Def BV2    56.43


Weapon              BV
75mm (LtRifle)     21.0
@75mm (1.025T)      3.075
Vntg Minigun        1.5
@vµG (0.048T)       0.024
No FCS            x 0.8
Tonnage / 2     8.0
Speed factor   x 0.77
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Off BV2    21.928984

Total BV2    78.358984 -> (78)

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Chassis  [2.5k * 5.616T * 2 (Arm) * 1.1 (Tra)] 30,888.00
Engine - ICE [5k * 3.328T * 1 (ICE)] 16,640.00
Armor - BAR 5 [200 * 36 pts] 7,200.00
Tech Rating B x    0.75

Base Structure Cost         41,046.00

Heat Sinks (n/a)                                     0.00
Turret (n/a)      0.00
Power Amps (n/a)      0.00

Base tank cost         41,046.00

75mm Cannon (Light Rifle)                       37,750.00
@75mm (1.025T)                                     820.00
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
@vµG (0.048T)                                       24.00

Cost with weapons                               81,140.00

Cost Multiplier                                 x   1.000
Chassis Modifier                                x   1.160
Dry Cost                                        94,122.40
Total Cost                                      94,123.00

(Space reserved for the Flammpanzer 38t, Bergepanzer 38t, and SIG33 auf 38t.)

Suralin

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #40 on: 30 June 2020, 16:09:49 »
Why did I add this one? I dunno. Also I briefly goofed on the cost numbers.

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TECH LEVEL OVERVIEW: **B-**

Representing a transitional period between early-industrial machinery and artillery, and the weapons of war that
start to resemble those of the modern era, the B-minus Tech Level roughly corresponds to World War I tech
levels, or more broadly, the 1895 to 1928 time period. Many of these vehicles carried over into World War II.

Units made with this tech level are essentially "primitive" compared to Tech Level B, but follow all the rules for
Tech Level B units with the following exceptions:

1) Armor is roughly 20 percent heavier per-point with B-minus tech. BAR 2 is 30kg per point,
BAR 3 is 45kg per point, BAR 4 is 60kg per point, and BAR 5 is 75kg per point. Higher Barrier
Armor Ratings were not available in this time period.
2) Vehicle structure multiplier is 1.45 rather than 1.3.
3) Engine weight multiplier is 3.75 for steam engines and 3 for ICE, rather than 3.5 and 2,
respectively.
4) Cost multiplier is 0.65 rather than 0.75.

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Lancia 1ZM
(IS Light Support Vehicle)

Mass: 3,800 kilograms
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Tech Rating: B-
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Production Year: 1918
Cost: 10,775 C-Bills
Battle Value: 25

Construction Options: Fractional Accounting

Power Plant: Lancia 30kW V6 petrol
Cruise Speed: 43.2 kph
Flanking Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: 9mm max armor
Armament:
    2x 8mm Breda MGs
Manufacturer: Ansaldo
    Primary Factory: Italy, Terra
Communications System: Basic radio (some models)
Targeting and Tracking System: n/a

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Support (Tech Level B-)         5 points               0.992
Engine:             ICE (Tech Level B-)                                    0.570
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Crew:               6 seats    0.450
Fuel:               300km    0.018
Turret:                                                                    0.500
Armor:              BAR 5 (Tech Level B-)   11 pts                         0.825

                                                      Armor     Internal
                                                      Factor    Structure
                                               Front      3        1
                                          Left/Right     2/2      1/1
                                              Turret      2        1
                                                Rear      2        1

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2x 8mm MG                                    TU        0         2         0.040
@8mm (3375)                                  BD        -         0         0.135
Additional fuel (120kg)                      BD        -         0         0.120
0.150T cargo                                 BD        -         0         0.150

Lancia 1ZM:
   A holdover from the First World War, the Lancia 1ZM was a light armored car still being used in Italy's army and colonial forces when the Second World War broke out in 1939. It used an older, less efficient engine, and had only enough armor to deal with small arms. It could at least serve in scouting and patrol roles, though, and was decently fast for the era. Though Lancia 1ZMs made a decent account of themselves during the conquest and occupation of Ethiopia and Libya, most of these armored cars were torn apart even against obsolete 2nd-line British and French units, or during the Allied invasion of Italy and the Yugoslav uprisings. After the armistice that saw Italy switch sides, a few 1ZMs served until the end of the war in German colors.


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Slots: 5
Base chassis value: 0.12
Structure tech level: B- (x1.45)
Armored Chassis (x1.5)
3,800kg * 0.12 * 1.45 * 1.5
CHASSIS WEIGHT: 992kg
Base engine value: 0.0025
yes turret
Engine weight: 3,800 x 0.0025 x 20 x 3(ICE tech B-) = 570kg
Fuel (300km): 0.03 x 570 = 18kg fuel
estimating total fuel to add 120kg of petrol, because 1910s
engines were horribly inefficient
Crew: 6
Max armor: 11
11 pts BAR 5 armor (B-): 11x75 = 825kg

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BV2 calculations

Armor (BAR 5)    13.75
 11 pts * 2.5 * 0.5
Internals     7.5
 5 pts * 1.5
Def equipment       0.0
Vee Type (Whl)    x 0.8
Def Factor   x 1.2
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Def BV2    20.4


Weapon              BV
Vntg Minigun        1.5
Vntg Minigun        1.5
@vµG (0.135T)       0.0675
No FCS            x 0.8
Tonnage / 2     1.9
Speed factor   x 1.12
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Off BV2     4.87648

Total BV2    25.27648 -> (25)

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Chassis  [2.5k * 0.992T * 2 (Arm)]               4,960.00
Engine - ICE [5k * 0.57T * 1 (ICE)] 2,850.00
Armor - BAR 5 [200 * 11 pts] 2,200.00
Tech Rating B-minus x    0.65

Base Structure Cost          6,506.50

Heat Sinks (n/a)                                     0.00
Turret (5k * 0.5T) 2,500.00
Power Amps (n/a)      0.00

Base tank cost          9,006.50

Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
@vµG (0.135x)                                       67.50

Cost with weapons                               10,574.00

Cost Multiplier                                 x   1.000
Chassis Modifier                                x   1.019
Dry Cost                                        10,774.906
Total Cost                                      10,775.00

Suralin

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #41 on: 11 July 2020, 18:29:12 »
Yeah, aiming for the early years first feels right.

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M2A4 Light Tank
(IS Medium Support Vehicle)

Mass: 12 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Tech Rating: B
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Production Year: 1938
Cost: 60,823 C-Bills
Battle Value: 79

Construction Options: Fractional Accounting

Power Plant: 190kW Continental R-670-9A Radial
Cruise Speed: 32.4 kph
Flanking Speed: 54.0 kph
Armor: 6-25mm
Armament:
    1 37mm gun M5
    5 30-06 Browning MGs
Manufacturer: Rock Island Arsenal
    Primary Factory: United States, Terra (discontinued 1942)
Communications System: Basic radio
Targeting and Tracking System: None

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Support (Tech Level B)        10 points                4.212
Engine:             ICE (Tech Level B)                                     4.056
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Crew:               3
Fuel:               320km    0.130
Turret:                                                                    0.500
Armor:              BAR 5 (Tech Level B)   26 pts                          1.638

                                                      Armor     Internal
                                                      Factor    Structure
                                               Front      6        2
                                          Left/Right     5/5      2/2
                                              Turret      5        2
                                                Rear      5        2

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
37mm Cannon                                  TU        2         1         0.550
@37mm (103)                                  BD        -         0         0.103
30-06 MG                                     TU        0         1         0.020
30-06 MG                                    TU(R)      0         1         0.020
30-06 MG                                     RS        0         1         0.020
30-06 MG                                     LS        0         1         0.020
30-06 MG                                     FR        0         1         0.020
@8mm (8470)                                  BD        -         0         0.334
119kg additional fuel                        BD        -         0         0.119
258kg wasted                                 BD        -         0         0.58

M2A4 Light Tank:
   Unlike the British and French, the Americans had no real laurels to rest on during the buildup to World War II. Observing the Spanish Civil War, they eventually realized that tanks would need to defeat other tanks in combat, rather than mainly being anti-infantry vehicles. To this end, the M2 Light Tank, which was already an agile scout tank for the era, was redesigned several times to be able to provide both roles, even if only as a stopgap.

   Earlier versions of the M2 mounted machine guns, and the M2A2 and M2A3 had twin turrets with a machine gun in each. Eventually the M2A4 variant, with a single turret and a 37-millimeter gun, was the only variant to see combat, with several dozen M2A4s deployed on Guadalcanal. Through circuitous means, the British got a hold of several dozen Lend-Lease M2A4s as well, and used them well against Japanese forces in Burma.

   The M2A4's chassis was the basis for the better-armored and more robust M3 Stuart scout tank, and its successors the M5 Stuart and the light-artillery M8 Scott.


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Slots: 6
Base chassis value: 0.15
Structure tech level: B (x1.3)
Armored Chassis (x1.5)
Tractor (x1.2)
12,000kg * 0.15 * 1.3 * 1.5 * 1.2
CHASSIS WEIGHT: 4,212kg
Base engine value: 0.013
yes turret
Engine weight: 12 x 0.013 x 13 x 2(ICE tech B) = 4,056kg
fuel weight (320km): 0.032 x 4,056 = 130kg
the Stuart wound up with 89 US Gal fuel tank, for 249kg total
so that's a good ballpark; addl fuel 119kg
No FCS
Crew: 3
Max armor: 28
26 pts BAR 5 armor: 26x63 = 1,638kg


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BV2 calculations

Armor (BAR 5)    32.5
 26 pts * 2.5 * 0.5
Internals    15.0
 10 pts * 1.5
Def equipment       0.0
Vee Type (Trk)    x 0.9
Def Factor   x 1.2
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Def BV2    51.3

Weapon            BV
37mm (MedRR)       19.0
@37mm (0.103T)      0.515
Vntg Minigun        1.5
Vntg Minigun        1.5
Vntg Minigun        1.5
Vntg Minigun        1.5
Vntg Minigun        1.5
@vµG (0.334T)       0.167
No FCS            x 0.8
Tonnage / 2     6.0
Speed factor   x 1.00
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Off BV2    27.7456

Total BV2    79.0456 -> (79)

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Chassis  [2.5k * 4.212T * 2 (Arm) * 1.1 (Trc)]  23,166.00
Engine - ICE [5k * 4.056T * 1 (ICE)] 20,280.00
Armor - BAR 5 [200 * 26 pts] 5,200.00
Tech Rating B x    0.75

Base Structure Cost         36,484.50

Heat Sinks (n/a)                                     0.00
Turret (5k * 0.5T) 2,500.00
Power Amps (n/a)      0.00

Base tank cost         38,984.50

37mm Cannon (MedRecRf)                           7,500.00
@37mm (0.103T)                                     154.50
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
@vµG (0.334x)                                      167.00

Cost with weapons                               54,306.00

Cost Multiplier                                 x   1.000
Chassis Modifier                                x   1.120
Dry Cost                                        60,822.72
Total Cost                                      60,823.00

Suralin

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #42 on: 12 July 2020, 22:27:23 »
This works out pretty much the same as in the TRO, but hey, completeness.

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A12 Matilda II
(IS Medium Support Vehicle)

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Tech Rating: B
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Production Year: 1937
Cost: 94,457 C-Bills
Battle Value: 112

Construction Options: Fractional Accounting

Power Plant: 2x 71kW diesel 6-cyl AEC/Leyland
Cruise Speed: 21.6 kph
Flanking Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: 20-78mm armor
Armament:
    1 40mm Quick-Fire 2-Pounder
    1 7.92mm Besa MG
Manufacturer: Vulcan Foundry, others
    Primary Factory: Britain, Terra (discontinued 1943)
Communications System: Basic radio
Targeting and Tracking System: n/a

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Support (Tech Level B)        15 points                8.775
Engine:             ICE (Tech Level B)                                     5.200
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Crew:               4
Fuel:               257km    0.134
Turret:                                                                    0.500
Armor:              BAR 5 (Tech Level B)   54 pts                          3.402

                                                      Armor     Internal
                                                      Factor    Structure
                                               Front     12        3
                                          Left/Right    10/10     3/3
      Turret     12        3
                                                Rear     10        3

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
40mm Cannon                                  TU        2         1         0.690
@40mm (93)                                   BD        -         0         0.140
7.92mm MG                                    TU        0         1         0.020
@7.92mm (2925)                               BD        -         0         0.117
123kg additional fuel                        BD        -         0         0.123
5.390T cargo                                 BD        -         0         5.390
522kg wasted                                 BD        -         0         0.522

A12 Matilda II:
   Though the original A11 Matilda had already been ordered in small numbers to pad out the British Empire's armored units, it was already seen as a moribund design. Even while it was still in production, there were efforts to design a replacement for the role of infantry support. The much larger A12 took on its forbear's name, and would be one of the few designs to serve out the entirety of the war in its standard configuration.

   The A12 Matilda mounted the standard 'two-pounder' 40-millimeter cannon, which rapidly became obsolete as the war dragged on, but was available in large numbers in British stockpiles. The tank was also still rather slow and plodding, due to its reuse of a pair of civilian engines with relatively low torque; in the French mud and the North African deserts, Matildas routinely bogged down to speeds an infantryman could outrun.

   What it did have going for it was armor. At all but the best angles, no German cannons but the redoubtable 'eighty-eight' could reliably penetrate the Matilda II's thick plate during the Battle of France. This sheer survivability led the tank, thought oversized at its introduction, to weather tremendous beatings that few other machines could hope to withstand.

   The Soviets also received almost a thousand Matildas via the Lend-Lease program. They found the tank slow and unreliable in cold and icy conditions, but it was nonetheless a crucial part of the Soviets' defense against the onrushing Axis forces, helping pad out Soviet battalions along with the Valentine, Churchill, M3 Lee, and M4 Sherman. It also served among Commonwealth units in the Pacific until the end of the war.

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Slots: 7
Base chassis value: 0.15
Structure tech level: B (x1.3)
Armored Chassis (x1.5)
Tractor (x1.2)
25,000kg * 0.15 * 1.3 * 1.5 * 1.2
CHASSIS WEIGHT: 8,775kg
Base engine value: 0.013
Engine weight: 25 x 0.013 x 8 x 2(ICE tech B) = 5,200kg
Fuel (257km): 0.0257 x 5,200 = 134kg fuel
it really had 76 UK gallons, which works out to 257kg total
No FCS
Crew: 6
Max armor: 54
54 pts BAR 5 armor (B): 54x63 = 3,402kg
the cargo number is purely for commonality with the published XTRO;
the wasted half-ton is what's left over


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BV2 calculations

Armor (BAR 5)    67.5
 54 pts * 2.5 * 0.5
Internals    22.5
 15 pts * 1.5
Def equipment       0.0
Vee Type (Trk)    x 0.9
Def Factor   x 1.1
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Def BV2    89.1


Weapon              BV
40mm (MedRR)       19.0
@40mm (0.14T)       0.7
Vntg Minigun        1.5
@vµG (0.117x)       0.0585
No FCS            x 0.8
Tonnage / 2    12.5
Speed factor   x 0.77
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Off BV2    22.720236

Total BV2   111.820236 -> (112)

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Chassis  [2.5k * 8.775T * 2 (Arm) * 1.1 (Trc)]  48,262.50
Engine - ICE [5k * 5.2T * 1 (ICE)] 26,000.00
Armor - BAR 5 [200 * 54 pts] 10,800.00
Tech Rating B x    0.75

Base Structure Cost         63,796.875

Heat Sinks (n/a)                                     0.00
Turret (5k * 0.5T) 2,500.00
Power Amps (n/a)      0.00

Base tank cost         66,296.875

40mm Cannon (MedRecRf)                           7,500.00
@40mm (0.14T)                                      210.00
Vintage Minigun                                  1,500.00
@vµG (0.117x)                                       58.50

Cost with weapons                               75,565.375

Cost Multiplier                                 x   1.000
Chassis Modifier                                x   1.250
Dry Cost                                        94,456.71875
Total Cost                                      94,457.00

mmmpi

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Re: Why oh why did I stat out the Panzer I (XTRO:1945)
« Reply #43 on: 13 July 2020, 01:33:00 »
Thanks for keeping up with these.  Always a fun read.

 

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