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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #390 on: 10 November 2021, 13:58:56 »
They are just a retelling in a different format.
Not always, a lot of times older properties are used as skinsuits.

And what I have seen so far of this case isn't very impressive, so I can understand why a lot of people are severely skeptical.
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #391 on: 10 November 2021, 14:32:03 »
for some reason when you mentioned dubs i had this unbridled hatred for one studio in particular...us renditions
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #392 on: 10 November 2021, 15:50:47 »
Not always, a lot of times older properties are used as skinsuits.

And what I have seen so far of this case isn't very impressive, so I can understand why a lot of people are severely skeptical.
A lot of negative reactions to remakes is backlash against the general "it's safer to sell you the thing we know you like rather than try anything new" attitude endemic to the entertainment industry.

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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #393 on: 10 November 2021, 16:24:43 »
A lot of negative reactions to remakes is backlash against the general "it's safer to sell you the thing we know you like rather than try anything new" attitude endemic to the entertainment industry.

And the fact that many things that work in animated or print media don't work nearly as well in live-action.  Particularly if there's a limited SFX budget (which is too often the case).
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #394 on: 10 November 2021, 18:19:36 »
Sometimes I can see the point of a remake.  Like Cowboy Bebop.  You're going to hit a whole new audience that either isn't into anime, or just feel the original looks too dated.  Also, With a decent budget, live action Sci-fi can look pretty sweet.  I keep saying I'm going to watch the anime some day, but I don't think it'll ever really happen.  This on the other hand, I'm planning to watch.  I take the creator being involved as a good sign. Heck, Battle Angel was, imo, better than than the anime.  Low bar, but it still counts.

One Piece however, makes no sense to me.  Everything in that show is so over the top that nothing they do is going to look better in live action, no matter how good the budget is.  The more CG they use to make it work, the more you have to wonder what the point is.  And there's no way any of the actors are going to look anything like most of the characters without significant makeup, prosthetics, or CGI with motion capture.  So again, why bother?
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #395 on: 14 November 2021, 11:19:26 »
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #396 on: 20 November 2021, 01:25:04 »
Finally got into 86 and am currently caught up; also looking forward to tomorrow's episode. I like the Mech designs and the character depth is quite good. Thinking of starting the Light Novel since I've heard good things about it.

Also watching "World's greatest Assassin reincarnated as an Aristocrat" ; good so far though and I am very surprised that the author also did "Redo of the Healer" since this seems to be far less "Dark" so to speak.
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #397 on: 22 November 2021, 18:07:24 »
I’ve started watching the Adult Swim release of “Fena: Pirate Princess”, and Blade Runner Black Lotus.

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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #398 on: 01 December 2021, 12:55:55 »
Finished watching Heike Monogatari. I first learned the tale of the Heike from Carl Sagan in one of his episodes of Cosmos. I enjoyed this tale as told from the young bard Biwa.
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #399 on: 02 December 2021, 22:28:35 »
I feel like Heavy Object parallels Ogre/G.E.V. more than real robots, but I do love that show. Kaza Kamachi's work is far too underrated!

I watched it subbed, but it would be nice to see it dubbed just to take in the visuals.  And, I'm with you on Ogre.

edit: correction, emphasized above.  I don't know why the two get switched in my head.
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« Reply #400 on: 02 December 2021, 22:33:08 »
Btw:  I'm ten eps in to Heavy Metal L Gaim.  I gotta admit it's finally picked up speed, with the contrived plot device/mcguffin finally resolved.  It's kinda goofy for its age, and made me take it slowly.  Maybe now that it's got its stride, I might be able to watch it in bigger chunks.

But, that'll have to be next week.  Fan fic gots my attention at the moment and I want to finish come this weekend.

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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #401 on: 02 December 2021, 22:35:41 »
Finally got into 86 and am currently caught up;

Where's this streaming?  I know what the trash taste bois think of it, but It's got war robots, so I'm curious.

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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #402 on: 02 December 2021, 22:37:08 »
86 is on Crunchyroll.
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #403 on: 03 December 2021, 08:08:55 »
Where's this streaming?  I know what the trash taste bois think of it, but It's got war robots, so I'm curious.

To be accurate machines in 86 are more of spider tanks than mechs. It's why we might never see 86 as part of SRW.
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #404 on: 03 December 2021, 09:49:13 »
I kind of give 86 the side-eye on its premise.  Telling everyone the mecha are drones when they have pilots and then treating the pilots as subhuman just feels like something the writers came up with to be as dystopian as possible.  Like, for what reason would the military do that instead of having actual drones or just being open about the fact that their mecha have pilots?
Maybe it makes sense in the setting, but then again they made the setting that way.
Anyway, I'm going to catch up with Sakugan, I only watched the first episode.  I might also eyeball this new FLCL now that VRV reminded me it exists.  Although I wonder if I should watch the original FLCL first to refresh my memory.

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« Reply #405 on: 03 December 2021, 10:05:58 »
I kind of give 86 the side-eye on its premise.  Telling everyone the mecha are drones when they have pilots and then treating the pilots as subhuman just feels like something the writers came up with to be as dystopian as possible.  Like, for what reason would the military do that instead of having actual drones or just being open about the fact that their mecha have pilots?
Maybe it makes sense in the setting, but then again they made the setting that way.

A dictatorship that regarded the low class as being subhuman vermin.  One where the leadership is willing to destroy the country in order to maintain the appearance of control.

So basically a rare example of fascism being portrayed correctly in fiction.
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #406 on: 03 December 2021, 11:24:32 »
To be accurate machines in 86 are more of spider tanks than mechs. It's why we might never see 86 as part of SRW.

Bebop ended up in SRW - I doubt the Juggernauts will be disqualified.

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« Reply #407 on: 03 December 2021, 11:31:18 »
I kind of give 86 the side-eye on its premise.  Telling everyone the mecha are drones when they have pilots and then treating the pilots as subhuman just feels like something the writers came up with to be as dystopian as possible.  Like, for what reason would the military do that instead of having actual drones or just being open about the fact that their mecha have pilots?

My understanding was that the Republic did not want to admit their AI technology was inferior to the Empire's. Yes, it is deliberately dystopian as ******, but nations have both used cultural undesirables as shock troops and lied about their technological inferiority before. All 86 does is put the two together. There's a greater point being made about people's willingness to other their fellow man here, which is more or less the actual thrust of the story. The Legion is only so much explosive window dressing.

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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #408 on: 03 December 2021, 12:46:14 »
To me the obvious solution would be "mecha piloted by people are better than drones, which is why we don't have any," plus "we put the undesirables in the mecha because it's their best chance to make themselves useful instead of just wasting the air that could be breathed by the people we like."
This way they're not setting themselves up for a terrible PR disaster that the propaganda ministry is going to spend months fixing.  The first line sells because it's easy to brew resentment and mistrust of automated or remote-controlled killing machines, and the second line sells because if you already have an undesirable caste you've conditioned the rest of your population to hate, it makes said population feel good that said undesirables are making themselves useful.  While dying.
Oh, and you can discredit any evidence that the drones are in fact better than piloted machines by saying it's propaganda created by subversive elements to deceive everyone, and that Real Citizens know better than to believe a word of it.
Boom, problem solved.  I'm a better sci-fi dystopian tyrant than the ones in 86.
On an unrelated note, I just remembered that Ex-Arm exists so there's my weekend.
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« Reply #409 on: 03 December 2021, 13:00:45 »
I mean, that's more or less what they are already doing. You have several people, from scientists to instructors tell Lena "86 aren't people." The crime being committed is an open secret -  anyone interested in taking more than a cursory glance at things understands the 86 are being used as organic components of the war machines. The public at large just doesn't care to examine it all that closely because it's easier to pretend than feel complicit. Throughout the series the only person in San Magnolia who seems genuinely shocked and horrified about the truth is Lena herself.

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« Reply #410 on: 03 December 2021, 13:50:31 »
To me the obvious solution would be "mecha piloted by people are better than drones, which is why we don't have any," plus "we put the undesirables in the mecha because it's their best chance to make themselves useful instead of just wasting the air that could be breathed by the people we like."
This way they're not setting themselves up for a terrible PR disaster that the propaganda ministry is going to spend months fixing.  The first line sells because it's easy to brew resentment and mistrust of automated or remote-controlled killing machines, and the second line sells because if you already have an undesirable caste you've conditioned the rest of your population to hate, it makes said population feel good that said undesirables are making themselves useful.  While dying.
Oh, and you can discredit any evidence that the drones are in fact better than piloted machines by saying it's propaganda created by subversive elements to deceive everyone, and that Real Citizens know better than to believe a word of it.
Boom, problem solved.  I'm a better sci-fi dystopian tyrant than the ones in 86.
On an unrelated note, I just remembered that Ex-Arm exists so there's my weekend.
Everyone above a certain age fully knew that people were being used, the fiction of them being drones is there to make it easier to dehumanize them and to also make it easy to erase them from history after the war is over. During most of the show they cared more about getting 86's killed than actually winning the war.
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #411 on: 03 December 2021, 14:52:45 »
Everyone above a certain age fully knew that people were being used, the fiction of them being drones is there to make it easier to dehumanize them and to also make it easy to erase them from history after the war is over. During most of the show they cared more about getting 86's killed than actually winning the war.

War that they can't win partially because they keep killing off eighty-sixers but also because Legion has overwhelming numbers on they side. Not to mention that killing off eighty-sixers gives Legion spare parts thanks to whole policy that they bodies aren't allowed to be brought back from battlefield. Then again some higher ups of Republic like Lena's uncle don't even seem to care if Republic survives or not as long as they can kill off eighty-sixers.   
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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #412 on: 03 December 2021, 17:52:15 »
There is also a firm belief that the Legion will simply stop functioning in two years, so all San Magnolia has to do is hold out that long.

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Re: Anime/Grand M@sterthread - 86 gacha rolls & still no FMP Finale
« Reply #413 on: 03 December 2021, 22:21:21 »
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« Reply #414 on: 04 December 2021, 00:11:27 »
To me the obvious solution would be "mecha piloted by people are better than drones, which is why we don't have any," plus "we put the undesirables in the mecha because it's their best chance to make themselves useful instead of just wasting the air that could be breathed by the people we like."
This way they're not setting themselves up for a terrible PR disaster that the propaganda ministry is going to spend months fixing.  The first line sells because it's easy to brew resentment and mistrust of automated or remote-controlled killing machines, and the second line sells because if you already have an undesirable caste you've conditioned the rest of your population to hate, it makes said population feel good that said undesirables are making themselves useful.  While dying.
Oh, and you can discredit any evidence that the drones are in fact better than piloted machines by saying it's propaganda created by subversive elements to deceive everyone, and that Real Citizens know better than to believe a word of it.
Boom, problem solved.  I'm a better sci-fi dystopian tyrant than the ones in 86.
On an unrelated note, I just remembered that Ex-Arm exists so there's my weekend.

The thing is, fascist governments are like that.  Oppressive regimes are inefficient because oppression is inefficient.  The only thing dictatorships ever actually do well is maintain control of the media.  Which is pretty much exactly what we see in 86.
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« Reply #415 on: 04 December 2021, 14:12:21 »
86 S2 Ep8

Well that stare down between Shin and Kiri was really intense.
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« Reply #416 on: 04 December 2021, 15:35:50 »
86 S2 Ep8

Well that stare down between Shin and Kiri was really intense.
Indeed, but what also is now clear is that I don't see them winning in without taking out the drone factories and command centers.
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« Reply #417 on: 05 December 2021, 16:05:38 »
Do we know how many Sheperds there are? Other than "No Face" and Kiri? Also, is there a map of the world of 86 out there since I'm curious about the geography

I'm curious to know why there hasn't been a concentrated effort to take out Legions infrastructure given that the UK and Fed seem to have the tech to stand up to Legion
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« Reply #418 on: 06 December 2021, 22:29:39 »
Do we know how many Sheperds there are? Other than "No Face" and Kiri? Also, is there a map of the world of 86 out there since I'm curious about the geography

I'm curious to know why there hasn't been a concentrated effort to take out Legions infrastructure given that the UK and Fed seem to have the tech to stand up to Legion
well, they've made it pretty clear that missiles and airplanes don't work very well due to the always on automated AA. So they'd have to push the front lines back to get to said logistics, and that seems to be much easier said than done.
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« Reply #419 on: 11 December 2021, 10:33:15 »
https://kotaku.com/keiko-nobumoto-writer-for-cowboy-bebop-and-tokyo-godfa-1848197485

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