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Title: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Sartris on 22 April 2021, 11:49:06
I got a complete set of the books for a song and noticed IWM still has the molds

Is the system any good? Seems like it has some promise as a goofy diversion
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: marauder648 on 22 April 2021, 13:08:19
Aye I remember it, the art was very nice, the premise different and well done, but it sadly died a death.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: guardiandashi on 22 April 2021, 15:40:50
I remember it, I think I the core book somewhere but I really didn't get that far into it and I want to say it was only around for about a year before FASA closed.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 22 April 2021, 15:41:54
Yeah, Vor and Crusade killed FASA.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Sartris on 22 April 2021, 15:52:30
I remember it, I think I the core book somewhere but I really didn't get that far into it and I want to say it was only around for about a year before FASA closed.

Yeah it and crimson skies both hit around the same time. I remember seeing them in the shop when I was in for battletech and D&D stuff. It was a full fifteen years before I dared getting into miniatures

Yeah, Vor and Crusade killed FASA.

:o

I’ve heard so many variants of the FASA closing story that I have no idea what to believe.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Fat Guy on 22 April 2021, 16:44:02
Vor and Crucible were very expensive flops, so they certainly contributed.

Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: guardiandashi on 22 April 2021, 17:18:48
my understanding is while Vor, and some other products that never really took off didn't help, it was really the HG law suit that was really the killer in the sense that they went from a company that was doing ok or a little better, I mean they were able to get a short comic, a cartoon/animated series, video games etc.  and funding /publishing other games, to having to sell off IP rights in order to keep the doors open for a while.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Sartris on 22 April 2021, 17:25:09
Vor and Crucible were very expensive flops, so they certainly contributed.

i gathered it wasn't super popular as it's virtually invisible on the internet... which is highly impressive. the books were insanely cheap - the one crimson skies core book i saw was going for twice what i paid for all seven of the vor books combined. also where the creator tried to do a KS for 2.0 circa 2010 and didn't crack $7000. my biggest surprise was that IWM has the complete line of minis including a bunch that never got official stats
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Brother Jim on 22 April 2021, 19:52:30
It was OK.
The custom army rules were pretty bad, especially when compared to the book armies.
IIRC the basic Union grunt when duplicated with the custom army rules tripled in cost.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Sartris on 22 April 2021, 20:37:43
i've seen that, yeah. allegedly there was a beta pdf for improved rules but i wasn't able to find a trace of it.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 23 April 2021, 10:50:23
I thought it had an interesting premise, but never played it or read the books so not sure what the game itself was like.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: guardiandashi on 23 April 2021, 11:45:01
I thought it had an interesting premise, but never played it or read the books so not sure what the game itself was like.
I would say the core idea of it lives on in a way.... as heroes of the storm the blizzard game
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Middcore on 23 April 2021, 11:51:02
Boy you would really have to give this game a different title if you wanted to reintroduce it now, not that it seems like that has any chance of happening.  ::)
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Sartris on 23 April 2021, 11:55:49
yeah. google suggestions was trying to make my search history... interesting
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: marauder648 on 23 April 2021, 13:49:14
yeah. google suggestions was trying to make my search history... interesting

I nearly coughed up my tea.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: five_corparty on 26 April 2021, 13:10:59
i was like "what?" and THEN it clicked in and, yeahh... wow.  don't google that on a work computer, kids! hahaha

I really liked the idea odf being able to bring ANYTHING you had around the house into battle with a custom army, but i have no idea how well the game helod up.

I still have a copy of the rules, and a copy of Everdawn (was that the name?) around here somewhere.  I think it they were both just trying to punch into an already crowded market, the HG lawsuit (may they forever rot in the nine circles of hades) and a bunch of stuff all hitting at the same time that broke FASA. :-(
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 26 April 2021, 15:55:26
I still have a copy of the rules, and a copy of Everdawn (was that the name?) around here somewhere.

Earthdawn.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: marauder648 on 26 April 2021, 16:03:44
IIRC the Vor game came out at about the same time as the Babylon 5 ground combat one GROPOS, the B5 space combat Game B5Wars was very good.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Daryk on 26 April 2021, 18:10:01
Earthdawn.
I'm in shock... this thread seems to have drawn TWO serious posts from Kit...  :o

PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong... O:-)
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: five_corparty on 26 April 2021, 19:35:48
Earthdawn.

gahh, that's right.  Duh -slaps forehead- :-)
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Kentares on 26 April 2021, 19:47:17
Earthdawn.

Ah! Earthdawn and Shadowrun... the best crossover ever!
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Sartris on 26 April 2021, 20:02:59
Two army books arrived today. They were definitely cool with an essentially copying the 40k format. I hope they eventually had plans for unit data cards because the number of options are numerous. Pretty impressive how many minis they were able to pump out in a year and a half
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 26 April 2021, 20:32:30
honestly, i think that the Maelstrom setting concept probably would fit better with a Skirmish-RPG hybrid (like the Frostgrave series of games, Zona Alfa, heck even Mordheim, etc) rather than a mass battle style.

squad sized units performing missions of exploration, raids, etc in the changed world while facing the weird wildlife and enemies brought by being in the maelstrom.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Brother Jim on 26 April 2021, 20:57:54
It was OK.
The custom army rules were pretty bad, especially when compared to the book armies.
IIRC the basic Union grunt when duplicated with the custom army rules tripled in cost.

I feel that I should clarify that "It was OK."
The game was advertised as a make your own army game, which it pretty badly failed at.
However, the rules and book armies, except maybe the Pharons because they were the last book and it was rushed out, were solid.
But the make your own fail really soured me on it because that's what I really wanted.
To the point that I got my group to use my "Custom Force Addendum" which was 17 more pages to try to get the custom forces equal to the book forces.

Sadly, the only things I have left are some Union power armor, a mech suit and some drones.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: MadCapellan on 26 April 2021, 21:01:15
I'm in shock... this thread seems to have drawn TWO serious posts from Kit...  :o

PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong... O:-)

With a game with a name like "Vor", what other joke needs making?
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Sartris on 30 April 2021, 18:02:59
spending my friday night designing record sheets for a game that's been dead for 20 years. good times

(http://puu.sh/HCUer/0ec2f69a57.pnghttp://puu.sh/HCUer/0ec2f69a57.png)

refinement

(http://puu.sh/HCYPd/a912533b15.png)
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Cache on 01 May 2021, 11:54:07
Found a cleaner logo on the Fasa website (internet archive). Removed most of the background on one version. Use if you like.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Sartris on 01 May 2021, 12:20:34
Ah yeah that is better, thanks. I had just run the logo from iwm through remove.bg and and was going to clean it up later. This saves some time  :)
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 01 May 2021, 14:41:05
Didn't WizKids announce that they were going to do something with the game?  I feel like I saw that at some point, only it to be scrapped after their attempts at making new Shadowrun and Crimson Skies clicky games both failed.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Sartris on 01 May 2021, 14:55:09
The creator tried to launch a Kickstarter circa 2010 but it flopped really badly. Less than $10k

Safe to assume it’s pretty much dead. I like the rules for the most part so I might try to adapt them for other purposes
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Daemion on 03 May 2021, 11:05:59
I got a complete set of the books for a song and noticed IWM still has the molds

Is the system any good? Seems like it has some promise as a goofy diversion

It's like 40k, but with d10s and actual range bands.

The factions were neat, along with the setting.  I can't help but wonder if part of the Necron lore was swiped from the Pharon. 

I even have one or two novels.  Interesting reads.  Lots of exploration mixed with combat. 

I think it would have been better as an RPG.  I can't say that I'd want to use this as an alternate to BattleTroops, though.  (Now, I want to dig out the rulebook and check out the stat interactions again.)
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 03 May 2021, 17:24:47
I think it would have been better as an RPG.  I can't say that I'd want to use this as an alternate to BattleTroops, though.  (Now, I want to dig out the rulebook and check out the stat interactions again.)
as i said earlier, if you kept the miniatures game idea, the setting would work best as a small unit skirmish level game with strong exploration and RPG elements, like Frostgrave/Stargrave, Zona Alfa, etc.
Title: Re: Anybody remember Vor: The Maelstrom?
Post by: Greatclub on 05 June 2021, 20:48:27
FLGS I hung at the time went big into crimson skies. I think I still have a couple painted red/black.