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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1080 on: 18 June 2022, 20:00:00 »
looks like a modernized Atomic Annie..
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1081 on: 18 June 2022, 20:21:50 »
With range like that, missiles are generally the better solution.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1082 on: 18 June 2022, 20:44:57 »
What was it supposed to provide over existing missiles or drones?
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1083 on: 18 June 2022, 21:02:27 »
even with the rocket booster and GPS guidance, you could get more than a dozen boosted smart shells for the cost of a single cruise missile.

currently the smaller M982 155m Excalibur rounds have a range of over 70km without rocket boosting, and possess inertial and GPS guidance for pinpoint accuracy.. and cost $68,000 per shot. a comparable missile (the 277mm M30 artillery rocket from the M270 MLRS) costs over $100,000 per rocket, and unlike the artillery shell it can't have the range boosted further.

most cruise missiles cost over a million dollars per missile, the US's tomahawks for example run $2 million per. so an artillery piece that can produce the same range and destructive potential at (potentially) a tenth the cost per shot was attractive.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1084 on: 18 June 2022, 22:21:30 »
8-inch artillery is probably the closest thing to a real life Long Tom. Roughly 100 kg shells. Add in propellant and handling equipment, and 5 shots/tonne looks about right.

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But if you need to go really overboard... the prototype 2B1 Oka (420mm gun - 16.5 inches. 750kg shell)


Or maybe the slightly more modest 2A3 Kondensator with a 16 inch gun

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1086 on: 19 June 2022, 04:12:25 »
even with the rocket booster and GPS guidance, you could get more than a dozen boosted smart shells for the cost of a single cruise missile.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1087 on: 19 June 2022, 10:00:29 »
Only if it works, though...  ^-^
The tech has been proven on a smaller scale. It just ran into the issue of "you have to spend money to save money later" and the expense of developing the scaled up hardware

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1088 on: 19 June 2022, 11:00:09 »
The infamous valley of death, yes.  Cruise missiles made it through.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1089 on: 19 June 2022, 18:33:51 »
Or maybe the slightly more modest 2A3 Kondensator with a 16 inch gun


Battleship gun on tracks  :facepalm:  :o

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1090 on: 19 June 2022, 18:48:04 »
Or maybe the slightly more modest 2A3 Kondensator with a 16 inch gun

I'm obviously not getting enough sleep - it took me three attempts not to read that as "2A3 Kompensator"  8)
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1091 on: 19 June 2022, 19:01:22 »
You're getting plenty of sleep... that thing is certainly compensating for something...  ^-^

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1092 on: 20 June 2022, 10:32:30 »
I'm obviously not getting enough sleep - it took me three attempts not to read that as "2A3 Kompensator"  8)

Not just me, then! :-) (Only two attempts, though, so obviously not quite as sleep-deprived!)
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1093 on: 20 June 2022, 10:49:09 »
You're getting plenty of sleep... that thing is certainly compensating for something...  ^-^

Mostly an excess of free-standing buildings, I assume. Maybe Battletech could use something like it. Sub-capital artillery?

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1094 on: 20 June 2022, 11:53:30 »
I'd be more inclined to make people just mount SCCs, really...  :P

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1096 on: 21 June 2022, 18:13:42 »
Those look like 21st century heat sinks down the near side...  ^-^

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« Reply #1097 on: 21 June 2022, 18:47:17 »
They're actually subwoofers. That's a rave Stryker.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1098 on: 21 June 2022, 18:54:17 »
No, they're chicken coops.  :D
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1099 on: 21 June 2022, 18:54:24 »
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1100 on: 21 June 2022, 20:57:51 »
Looks like solar panels on the side of that Stryker
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1101 on: 21 June 2022, 22:05:05 »
Now here's something you don't see every day:



Side note: the older I get, the more I'm convinced that the most important infantry fighting vehicle any army can have is the Technical.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1102 on: 26 June 2022, 02:16:34 »
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7r0CSsoS5HeCjkJX2ADwlg/videos

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« Reply #1103 on: 26 June 2022, 04:07:34 »
Nice find!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1104 on: 29 June 2022, 19:12:58 »
The U.S. Army on Tuesday selected General Dynamics Land Systems as winner of the Mobile Protected Firepower (we can't say light tank anymore apparently) contract.



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« Reply #1105 on: 29 June 2022, 19:15:19 »
My GD stock is happy!  :)

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1106 on: 29 June 2022, 19:49:43 »








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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1107 on: 29 June 2022, 19:55:47 »
Nice pics!  They'd be better with a caption or two, though...  ^-^

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1108 on: 29 June 2022, 20:14:37 »
Jagdpanther, Sherman Jumbo (looking at the add-on armour plates), and gun from a Priest or similar SPG?
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1109 on: 29 June 2022, 20:20:09 »
And a T-34 between the Jag and the Sherman.  Not sure from this angle, but that gun looks short for the T-34-85 so probably the 76mm.
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