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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1440 on: 26 November 2022, 14:20:34 »
That sounds considerably more believable.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1441 on: 26 November 2022, 14:52:12 »
80/20 rule - the first 80% of the problem takes 80% of the time/money. The last 20% takes another 80% of the time/money. Design solved on paper - well, surely that was the 2nd time they said that?

Suspect that if they started again from scratch now, with modern computing, it may be much easier. And another 160% of the time/money.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1442 on: 29 November 2022, 02:56:45 »
Freshly refurbished T-54Ms of the Vietnamese army on exercise



An old M113 bush on the move.


Videos of it and other M113s, including ACAVs on maneuvers here:
https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1594633779133313024

Tanks crews (T-54M, PT-76) catching shuteye. Side benefit of not having skirts on their tanks?


T-54M crews getting ready to roll out. The tankers frequently cook their own chow, hence the pot and firewood


Old ATS-59 prime movers still in use. I think it might be a militia formation in this case




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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1443 on: 29 November 2022, 20:49:52 »
"T-54M crews getting ready to roll out. The tankers frequently cook their own chow, hence the pot and firewood"
That is interesting and something I will need to remember for a campaign I have upcoming
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1444 on: 29 November 2022, 21:00:07 »
It does make you wonder how much fuel is needed to get the engine block hot enough...  ???

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1445 on: 29 November 2022, 21:08:00 »
It does make you wonder how much fuel is needed to get the engine block hot enough...  ???

I suspect that the CO doesn't care how authentically deer camp/podunk diner it is, the crew should not purposely set fire to their track's engine covers to use as a griddle
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1446 on: 29 November 2022, 21:24:40 »
You don't need to set an engine block "on fire" to be hot enough to cook... they get there just running idle...  ^-^

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1447 on: 30 November 2022, 02:55:51 »
You don't need to set an engine block "on fire" to be hot enough to cook... they get there just running idle...  ^-^

Oh, that's a bit different, like firing off a burst from an MG42 to cook bacon! (you can just search that one for yourself  :P)

I found this: https://www.wikihow.com/Cook-Food-on-Your-Car%27s-Engine


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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1448 on: 30 November 2022, 03:00:47 »
Or firing off a belt of ammo or two to boil water, when you're using a Vickers HMG.



I was privileged enough to fire that beast - 1970s, Australian Army Cadets. Mind you, by that time the water coming off was full of rust and grease. I imagine it must have been better when new.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1449 on: 30 November 2022, 04:19:48 »
there is a very silly article from Lindiberge where he defends that all brit weapons were great where he talks about the Maxim as the best MG of WW2. I love that article (maybe it was a youtube video). It has its pros, but well, when he tries to claim certain things it gets very silly very fast.

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« Reply #1450 on: 30 November 2022, 05:46:36 »
I assume he means the Vickers, which was a derivative of the Maxim design, Vickers having purchased the Maxim company in the late 19th Century?

And yes. My fondness for that literally Victorian beast has to be measured against the GPMG, which of course owes more than a little to certain German designs of WW2 ...
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1451 on: 30 November 2022, 06:24:41 »
I assume he means the Vickers, which was a derivative of the Maxim design, Vickers having purchased the Maxim company in the late 19th Century?

And yes. My fondness for that literally Victorian beast has to be measured against the GPMG, which of course owes more than a little to certain German designs of WW2 ...

Evolution.

WW1: all sides used the Maxim (or variants), incluidng (surprise!!) the U.S. (our boys didn't get AMERICAN machineguns until relatively late-they were stuck using French or British kit for most of their involvement).

WW2: Germans, recognizing that the Maxim 15 was a bit too heavy and that the LMG's were a bit too light, came up with a compromise design that could serve with the mobility of an LMG and the sustained battering of the WW1 era French heavy (an air-cooled strip-fed beast whose name escapes me).  Basically they took the chassis of an LMG design, and fed it with a belt, which worked pretty good and the MG-34 was born, followed by realizing they need to make 'em cheaper and faster, so upon that, they came up with the cheaper-and-faster MG-42, which soldiered on into the 2000s as the MG-3 in German service (and limited export).

From that thinking derived the M-240G (FN-MAG), and the M-249 (FN MINIMI).

Why? because when you're stocking parts, if you have to stock two .30 (7.6x-7.9x) caliber machine guns it's more expensive than stocking parts for one .30 caliber that does two (or more) jobs...andthe more jobs you do with it, the cheaper them parts are (economies of scale) and the cheaper it is to train your maintenance (economies of scale again-oh, and you don't have to train your armorers on an additional design, so saves money and time there) which also improves your total uptime, even when replacing a perfectly good LMG and HMG (the British BREN and Vickers)
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1452 on: 30 November 2022, 09:29:50 »
"T-54M crews getting ready to roll out. The tankers frequently cook their own chow, hence the pot and firewood"
That is interesting and something I will need to remember for a campaign I have upcoming

More topical for me, since I have a Takom 1/35 T-54B in NVA markings that needs to be finished up. This will allow a bit more authenticity, I think...

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1453 on: 12 December 2022, 12:36:21 »
Failure16

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/army-has-newly-modified-vehicles-for-impersonating-russian-and-french-types

NTC is calling. They're adding some Gallic flair to their roster  :D

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1454 on: 12 December 2022, 14:22:59 »
ATS-59 prime movers: that's what they are called; I was compiling sprites from Talon Soft's Divided Ground game and I had no idea what they were so I labelled them, "Trctr".

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1455 on: 12 December 2022, 18:12:33 »
That French stuff is all over Africa, isn't it? ???

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« Reply #1456 on: 12 December 2022, 18:24:01 »
That French stuff is all over Africa, isn't it? ???
and SE asia, iirc.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1457 on: 12 December 2022, 18:36:28 »
Thanks for the confirmation, and agree!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1458 on: 13 December 2022, 01:48:08 »
About time for a new thread.  Name suggestions?
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1459 on: 13 December 2022, 02:21:03 »
What tanks have "6" in their name?
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1461 on: 13 December 2022, 03:37:28 »
What tanks have "6" in their name?

Are there any more infamous than the Panzer VI, the Tiger?  ???

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1462 on: 13 December 2022, 04:25:22 »
Sounds like a winner to me!  8)

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1463 on: 13 December 2022, 08:02:49 »
Armored Fighting Vehicles 6: Thread of the Tiger?

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1464 on: 13 December 2022, 09:12:15 »
Armored Fighting Vehicles 6: Thread of the Tiger?

Gotta throw the music meme in there too

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1465 on: 13 December 2022, 09:16:05 »
Gotta throw the music meme in there too

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Make it Armored Fighting Vehicles VI and you have my blessing.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #1466 on: 13 December 2022, 09:52:08 »
 Now we just need Sofilein to have a Tiger with googly eyes
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