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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #510 on: 09 August 2022, 15:07:55 »
Skinny jet time! The Jaguar, and T-2/F-1 all have that short-jetpipe look like an F-4 or F-101, but with high-mounted wings (and fairly small ones at that). Supersonic, but the fixed inlet designs restrict max speed.

XT-2 CCV FBW research aircraft with canards and a very sporty paintjob




Mitsubishi T-2 supersonic trainer




Mitsubishi F-1 strike fighter




SEPECAT Jaguar strike aircraft


2-Seat trainer version of the Jaguar

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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #511 on: 09 August 2022, 15:45:29 »
Y'know, lots of countries/organizations have high visibility paint schemes on research and training aircraft, but the JASDF ones are extra sporty with interesting angles on the colour boundaries, following other lines on an aircraft. Maybe that's a side effect of all that childhood gunpla





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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #512 on: 09 August 2022, 16:02:47 »
Y'know, lots of countries/organizations have high visibility paint schemes on research and training aircraft, but the JASDF ones are extra sporty with interesting angles on the colour boundaries, following other lines on an aircraft. Maybe that's a side effect of all that childhood gunpla
japan seems to have a fair eye for the aesthetic for their non-test aircraft as well. they're also one of the only nations to allow custom schemes and nose art outside dedicated flight demonstration units.



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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #513 on: 09 August 2022, 16:15:59 »
japan seems to have a fair eye for the aesthetic for their non-test aircraft as well. they're also one of the only nations to allow custom schemes and nose art outside dedicated flight demonstration units.

I've joked before that US Aggressor units mimicking PLA aircraft would result in the end of their unique paint schemes as PLA aircraft use very similar paint schemes to USAF or USN fighters with two-tone or overall grey paint schemes.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #514 on: 09 August 2022, 16:54:03 »
All jet engines still do that, I recall a video of A-6 sucking in a crew member, who was lucky enough that his belt snagged on something, so the pilot was able to shut down the engine before his body reached the turbine fan blades.

I know all jets do it, but IIRC the jets that had that type of intake were especially prone to it.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #515 on: 09 August 2022, 18:30:59 »
All jet engines still do that, I recall a video of A-6 sucking in a crew member, who was lucky enough that his belt snagged on something, so the pilot was able to shut down the engine before his body reached the turbine fan blades.

John David Bridges:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=672495413946583

Slightly longer, blown up, and slowed down:

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2017/05/15/5940902284689193913/1024x576_MP4_5940902284689193913.mp4

Story:

https://avgeekery.com/this-guy-got-sucked-in-an-engine-and-survived-with-a-wedgie/#:~:text=Bridges%20is%20sucked%20into%20the%20port%20intake%20of,in%20the%20massive%20flame%20coming%20from%20the%20exhaust.

I have heard a story that ended less happily involving an A-7. All I know is that the engine was a mess.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #516 on: 09 August 2022, 20:21:30 »
Here's the picture I took of the A-7 Corsair in the air park at NAS Oceana in 2019. Look ma, no engine!
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #517 on: 09 August 2022, 20:24:04 »
Every time I see one of those Diats, I wanna find out how much F86 DNA they have
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #518 on: 09 August 2022, 20:37:14 »


80s baby, Aardvarks and Tomcats for the swing wings . . . granted they were designed in the 70s but were top in the 80s.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #519 on: 09 August 2022, 21:22:26 »
Satellite photo of a bunch of decommissioned A-12s awaiting declassification so that they can make their way to museums


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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #520 on: 09 August 2022, 21:32:58 »
You know, some of the photos like that let you make some really great scenario work ups.  I have a folder where I keep satellite images like that for throwing into stories.  Russian armor, Chinese fortress island buildings . . . all sorts of things can help w/ immersion.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #521 on: 09 August 2022, 21:50:02 »
PLAAF J-10s with Thai Gripens from Exercise Falcon Strike 2019


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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #522 on: 10 August 2022, 00:24:37 »
Phabulous Phantoms








The F-106s are gigantic (over 70 feet in length, just short of a Flanker). The F-22, F-15, and F-4 are all in the 62-63 foot long range
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #523 on: 10 August 2022, 00:43:33 »
F-22 being positively pornographic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/w8ok91/f22_raptor_filmed_in_slow_motion/

And check out that early afterburner on a MiG-17 flypast, especially the first night video. No wonder UFO sightings exploded in the US after they started mass deployment of the afterburner-equipped F-86D
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #524 on: 10 August 2022, 18:02:27 »
Really skinny jets (the X-Rated Edition):

Douglas X-3:



Lockheed X-7 (ramjet testbed):



Aderojet X-8 (missile testbed):



Bell X-9 (missile testbed):



North American X-10 (missile testbed):



Lockheed X-27/CL1200:




Okay, so some of those are cheating. But the X-3 and -27 definitely qualify!

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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #525 on: 10 August 2022, 18:22:16 »
Aren't those the same photos for the X-8 and X-9, or am I missing a joke?
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #526 on: 10 August 2022, 18:31:34 »
Some more modern metal. I've been told the gleam is from condensation on the paint. It seems especially prominent on stealthy aircraft

F-22 and F-35


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JASDF Eagle in an interesting variant scheme (namely the white roundels). Like a lot of the other F-15J paint jobs, it looks like a number of panel lines and access points were marked off before painting.


Solo Flanker putting up a show


4-ship of J-20s. Third plane doesn't seem to have received the camo blob on the right fin yet


J-20s and Flankers. Really emphasizes how big Flankers are in both length and wingspan. Only a handful of giant interceptors are larger (MiG-25, MiG-31, Avro Arrow, Tu-28 (not that it should really count), YF-12 (ditto))


2-ship of J-20s. These don't seem to have camo patterns at all. The head-on view emphasizes just how wide those fuselages are. The bottom view shows the PL-10 IR missiles in the deployed state and makes it notable how long they seem compared to other IR missiles like the AIM-9X, IRIS-T, Python, etc. If anything, they look almost Mica-sized



Far from modern, but the Yak-28 was a bit of a weird plane



More XT-2 CCV shots. It's just too cool, especially with that weird single forward ventral fin



And late to the Stubfighter post, the Harrier farewell formation
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #527 on: 10 August 2022, 19:12:15 »
Is there a reason the US doesn't seem to go for canard pitch control?
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« Reply #528 on: 10 August 2022, 19:26:58 »
As the great Clarence "Kelly" Johnson said when asked where was the best place to put canards: on someone else's airplane!
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #529 on: 10 August 2022, 19:39:24 »
Is there a reason the US doesn't seem to go for canard pitch control?

You don't need it when you have a conventional tail. Tri-plane arrangements are draggy as hell. You're adding redundant control surfaces and weight/space of all the associated actuating mechanisms (hydraulics, electric motors, etc.). The carrier Flankers might just need it for extra control authority and lift. The Su-34 evolved from a side-by-side carrier trainer, so that might be part of its heritage (or it might need a bit extra control with all the extra weight).

As for the Su-30MKI... either the Indian Air Force has dogfighting as a high priority, or... well, bonkers air show performances probably help in the budgetary fights. The Su-30MKI also have thrust vectoring, which are often just added weight and complexity.

If your question is about the combination of a tailless delta with canards, there's a specific window where that combination was optimal - after fly-by-wire makes dynamically unstable designs desirable. Supposedly, they present RCS issues in terms of radar returns, but it's not like all-moving horizontal stabilizers don't deflect similar amounts on an F-35 (the F-22 can supposedly use the thrust vectoring to reduce use of control surfaces), and the US wasn't looking at conventional designs after the Hornet. (Not that the US has designed many tactical aircraft since the Hornet...).

Before fly-by-wire, you see fixed canards on the Mirage III derivatives (Cheetah, Kfir) and Saab Viggen (the Viggen canards do have flaps for landing, I guess), and canard-like strakes on the B-1 and Mirage 2000.  Those aren't there for pitch control, but other aerodynamic reasons.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #530 on: 10 August 2022, 20:42:33 »
Some great photos of the Phantom!!
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #531 on: 11 August 2022, 00:47:29 »
Really skinny jets (the X-Rated Edition):

Few things pointier than PVO interceptors!

Su-15 'Flagon'


The also very pointy MiG-23 'Flogger' in PVO colours


The PLAAF equivalent in the J-8II 'Finback' (Also very long at 70 feet - F-106 length)


The pointy-ish Tornado ADV


The monstrous MiG-25 'Foxbat' at almost 80 feet long (78 ft). You can get a sense of scale by comparing the size of the pilot's head and helmet in the first picture, so you can evaluate how large those jet nozzles really are




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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #532 on: 11 August 2022, 15:46:55 »
Still my favorite Soviet/Russian fighter.  The 'other' MIG-31.
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« Reply #533 on: 11 August 2022, 16:04:06 »
Think Russian
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« Reply #534 on: 11 August 2022, 18:09:29 »
The real life Russian stealth fighters:

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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #535 on: 11 August 2022, 18:12:54 »
I'm not gonna lie, chanman. You are the first person I've run across that considers a Tornado or Foxbat "skinny". They both have some shoulders and hips, and the latter's got some  serious booty going on...

But I still love you like a brother. And you brought it with the F-4 pictures, that much is right.


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Or some Valkyrie?



Apologies in advance if we saw those recently. The airspace is full in here lately.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #536 on: 11 August 2022, 18:15:43 »
Who say's bombers can't be sexy?
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #537 on: 11 August 2022, 20:27:26 »
I'm not gonna lie, chanman. You are the first person I've run across that considers a Tornado or Foxbat "skinny". They both have some shoulders and hips, and the latter's got some  serious booty going on...

But I still love you like a brother. And you brought it with the F-4 pictures, that much is right.

How about some Hustler?


It's funny, the F-4 started off as a much trimmer craft, as an improved F3 before acquiring its... heraldic ugliness

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Early F3H-G mockup of what eventually became the Phantom II


The B-58 is a sexy beast, but you know they undersized her if the belly pod was basically mandatory. As for the Tornado and Foxbat... I said 'pointy'! There's just a whole lotta interceptor behind the point is all  :D

Convairs are sexy, but the F-102 and F-106 have that hideous canopy.

That said, let's kick off some Century fighters (of which most were interceptors, but who's counting?)

F-102 Delta Dagger







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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #538 on: 11 August 2022, 23:49:02 »
What's with the butt flap?
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Re: Aviation Pictures: Sixth time, Thread of the Intruder
« Reply #539 on: 12 August 2022, 00:04:25 »
What's with the butt flap?

Airbrake/speedbrake. Maybe there's some kind of physical interconnect with the parking brakes? It is a bit weird though, since the usual worry is wind causing lift, so I think it's the spoilers that are deployed, not the air brake

 

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