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help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« on: 31 January 2022, 08:05:13 »
In a non-B-Tech Game I've got a character who needs a ribbon rack put together, he is a Space Merchant but is in the Reserves for the Space Navy, a few game years back he was called up for a War, started the war as a Lt. J.G. Cargo Officer on a small supply ship, over two and a bit years he worked his way up to Lt. S.G. and First Officer on the supply ship before transferring to a Escort Cruiser as the Supply Officer and eventually ended up as the Deputy Helm Officer (still a Lt. S.G. and the ships 4th or 5th officer).

I know Medals go above Ribbons, so his 2nd (or 3rd) row will be his Ribbons, but what order to put them in, he has three Combat Service Ribbons awarded for participating in major combat actions, the National Defense Ribbon for wartime combat service in the Domestic Theater of Operations and the National Service Ribbon that you get for doing your time, getting good fit reps and no disciplinary issues, so it's more than just good conduct. he may also have a Cadets/ROTC Ribbon since he started in the Navy Cadets at age 7 and kept with in till he entered the NROTC at the Merchants Academy/College.

for his Medals that will go on his top row(s) he has the War Service Medal (w/Years of Service Clasp), the 2nd grade Bravery/Gallantry/Valor Medal and the 3rd grade Meritorious/Distinguished Service Medal (w/War Service Clasp). would his War Service Medal go before or after his other Medals? (UK & Commonwealth it goes last) dose Merit or Valor take precedence or dose the higher grade of medal have precedence? he may have campaign/Theater of Operations Medals as well.

I ask because the US gives precedence to higher Grades with Valor going before Merit in a given grade, where the UK & Commonwealth gives preference to Bravery/Gallantry/Valor (in order of grade) then Meritorious/Distinguished Service and War/Campaign Medals before other Medals. the Game gives no guidance beyond that you record in order of grade for each classification of Medal and those decorations without a given grade just get dumped together in no order on their own list. given a choice in the past the GM usually prefers doing things the American way, but from time to time he dose things the UK way.

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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #1 on: 31 January 2022, 10:37:02 »
https://www.marlowwhite.com/award-builder/index/index/edit/WNLX/

Try this site.  You can set it for Navy, then pick awards by analogy.

The US Navy also sets unit awards into the rack where the Army wears them on the other breast of the dress uniforms.
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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #2 on: 31 January 2022, 11:14:44 »
When I read the thread title I thought you needed help assembling ribbon cables for a computer  ;D

Good luck with your project!
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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #3 on: 31 January 2022, 14:19:59 »
In this case, it would be, based on modern US equivalents:

Bravery/Gallantry/Heroism medal (Bronze Star Medal or Commendation Medal with V device), Meritorious/Distinguished Service Medal (Achievement Medal), Wartime Service Medal (National Defense Service Medal), Theater Medals (Iraq/Afghanistan/Inherent Resolve/or GWOT Expeditionary), War Service Medal (Global War on Terrorism Service Medal), National Service Award (Armed Forces Reserve Medal with "M" device).

Generally, it's Individual Medals>Unit Citations>Service Medals>Service Ribbons>Marksmanship, but there are exceptions, like my Armed Forces Reserve Medal is a lower ranked award than my Overseas Service Ribbon. Within categories, the older an award is, the higher ranking it is in a category. The Wikipedia page offers an overview of how the system works.

Additionally, he may wear a badge like the Navy Reserve Merchant Marine Insignia, or similar Strategic Sealift Officer Warfare to mark his merchant background.
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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #4 on: 31 January 2022, 14:43:07 »
I have to admit from the title I was totally expecting something like this:

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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #5 on: 31 January 2022, 16:37:00 »
I have to admit from the title I was totally expecting something like this:



That was going to be my comment...
Though check your local state's rules on "Stolen valor" laws, to see if you using ACTUAL ribbons/medals like that, for someone NOT military himself, is a 'no-no'...
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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #6 on: 31 January 2022, 19:14:15 »
Don't plan to cosplay (in part since I'm about twice as old as the character) but an other player likes to do character art.

the characters Day job is Merchant, but his last active duty post was as a Bridge Officer on a Combat vessel, he was called up for Navy service for the War and went back to driving container ships once the war was done.

when not in Navy Uniform he is permitted to display a Lapel Pin showing his branch of service and rank device.

I know sometimes very junior officers are allowed to where decorations they earned wile in the Cadets as a kid, but you have to ditch them after you get promoted beyond Ensign/Sub-Lieutenant, so I'm of the opinion he wouldn't display his Cadets long service ribbon.

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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #7 on: 31 January 2022, 20:06:47 »
Saying the "American way" is a bit confusing, as pretty much all of the Service medals (AND the Bronze Star) can have a "V" for Valor device added if circumstances warrant it (the Medal of Honor, Service Crosses, and Silver Star never have a "V" device, as valor is required to earn the medal at all).  The various medals are ranked:

Medal of Honor (Valor)
Navy Cross (Valor)
Defense Distguished Service Medal (Service)
Distguished Service Medal (Service)
Silver Star (Valor)
Defense Superior Service Medal (Service)
Legion of Merit (Service)
Distinguised Flying Cross (Valor)
Navy/Marine Corps Medal (Bravery/Valor... the one person I knew who wore one had plunged back into a burning building to save another)
Bronze Star (this one is tricky... it can have a "V" for Valor, but is otherwise a Service medal where you were shot at)
Purple Heart (also tricky... the only requirement is to be wounded by enemy action)
Defense Meritorious Service Medal (Service)
Meritorious Service Medal (Service)
Air Medal (Service while doing something dangerous, namely flying aircraft where they can shoot at you, not that they have)
Joint Service Commendation Medal (Service)
Navy/Marine Corps Commendation Medal (Service)
Joint Service Achievement Medal (Service)
Navy/Marine Corps Achievement Medal (Service)
Combat Action Ribbon (shot at, AND returned fire)

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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #8 on: 31 January 2022, 20:30:25 »
The game has six grades of "Valor" awards, five grades of "Merit" awards, a Wound Medal and a bunch of "I Served" decorations, there are some restricted decorations for Pilots and Intel & Spech Opps that this character isn't eligible for.

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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #9 on: 31 January 2022, 20:45:44 »
my dad (who served in the navy in Vietnam) has the somewhat off color interpretation of purple hearts.
he calls them enemy marksmanship awards (essentially they are giving the "enemy" credit for hitting you)

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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #10 on: 31 January 2022, 20:49:36 »
That was going to be my comment...
Though check your local state's rules on "Stolen valor" laws, to see if you using ACTUAL ribbons/medals like that, for someone NOT military himself, is a 'no-no'...

I think that more so applies in cases when people falsely claim military service to commit fraud, otherwise I'd think the military reenactor or memorabilia collection scene wouldn't exist.

my dad (who served in the navy in Vietnam) has the somewhat off color interpretation of purple hearts.
he calls them enemy marksmanship awards (essentially they are giving the "enemy" credit for hitting you)

That's certainly one way of looking at it!
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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #11 on: 31 January 2022, 21:56:45 »
my dad (who served in the navy in Vietnam) has the somewhat off color interpretation of purple hearts.
he calls them enemy marksmanship awards (essentially they are giving the "enemy" credit for hitting you)

Got an Uncle who was a Vietnam Vet and a grate Uncle who was a WWII Vet and another who was a Korea Vet, all have told me stories about how about Yanks would also get purple hearts for getting hurt doing something stupid in combat, or taking a bad fall. like the Medic scrambling up a gully to get to a grunt who was hit, the side of the gully went out beneath him and he fell back down and broke his leg, the door gunner who's safety harness snapped and almost drowned in a rice paddy after falling 10m or the MP who got run over by a jeep wile directing traffic in an artillery barrage.

So you could say the purple heart is awarded for Enemy Marksmanship, Stupidity, Poor Decisions or just Bad Luck

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Re: help putting together a Ribbon Rack for a PC
« Reply #12 on: 01 February 2022, 02:03:53 »
I think that more so applies in cases when people falsely claim military service to commit fraud, otherwise I'd think the military reenactor or memorabilia collection scene wouldn't exist.

Have not really seen reinactors that wore ribbons/medals.. 
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