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Re: If you thought fighting wildfires in the US was dangerous
« Reply #1 on: 31 July 2022, 11:52:32 »
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Re: If you thought fighting wildfires in the US was dangerous
« Reply #2 on: 31 July 2022, 14:26:46 »
The saving grace is that these unexploded shells are underground (but not as deep as in Flanders) so it takes some time for them to cook off, thus by the time they explode the firefighters have been pushed further away, the biggest danger being the rocks that are hurled in the air. This danger is present in all wildfires in the area, but this is by far the biggest one in the last 50 years, so a lot more explosions.
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Re: If you thought fighting wildfires in the US was dangerous
« Reply #3 on: 31 July 2022, 14:41:38 »
Will these areas be safer after the fires? A lot of munitions will finally be destroyed, but will the remaining ones be less stable?
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Re: If you thought fighting wildfires in the US was dangerous
« Reply #4 on: 31 July 2022, 23:46:12 »
Will these areas be safer after the fires? A lot of munitions will finally be destroyed, but will the remaining ones be less stable?
to be honest I don't know enough about old explosives, with that said I suspect that they likely will not become much more volatile because of the fires, but I would not be totally surprised if the remaining ones are effectively more stable because the "weak ones" went off because the threshold needed to trigger them was met, whereas the ones that haven't detonated haven't met their trigger thresholds yet.

ideally someone would go survey the areas and track down most /all of the remaining munitions and get rid of them, but I also realize its not really feasible.

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Re: If you thought fighting wildfires in the US was dangerous
« Reply #5 on: 01 August 2022, 00:29:39 »
Will these areas be safer after the fires? A lot of munitions will finally be destroyed, but will the remaining ones be less stable?
The area wasn't particularly dangerous in the first place as all the surface ammo was picked off years ago (and took it's toll then), so the remaining threats are underground, with the area being mostly forests and pastures, there is not much of tilling the earth, except close to villages. Thus in the forest areas, the only remaining shells would be those deep down, but that would be very rare, due to rocky ground, leaving very few shells remaining. The only areas with deep soil in the area are sort of shallow sinkholes, called vrtača.

ideally someone would go survey the areas and track down most /all of the remaining munitions and get rid of them, but I also realize its not really feasible.

Yeah the area is too saturated with metal fragments for metal detector to be useful and rocky soil makes the ground penetrating radar next to useless.
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Re: If you thought fighting wildfires in the US was dangerous
« Reply #6 on: 01 August 2022, 05:14:03 »

In Germany they have the same problem with UXO during forest fires.

In that case it's mostly old ammunition stocks that were intentionally buried around 1945, then blown up by both Western Allies and Soviets. Since not everything would go up that basically meant that smaller munitions - grenades, parts and such - were liberally spread across a couple hundred meters radius in at the rime relatively remote forests. The same goes for former ammunition factories, often located in remote forests. For those that weren't reused postwar they just blew em up in '45 and never cleaned up.

In Brandenburg in the forest fires right now the problematic sites aren't those though but instead an old remote airfield that underwent allied area bombarded in '45 and was never cleaned up. And they're not clearing it now either, they just form an exclusion zone at a safety distance 1 km around it and let it take its course.

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Re: If you thought fighting wildfires in the US was dangerous
« Reply #7 on: 01 August 2022, 17:50:00 »
Your post makes sense except for this part:
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the rime relatively remote forests

What did you mean? ???

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Re: If you thought fighting wildfires in the US was dangerous
« Reply #8 on: 01 August 2022, 18:26:00 »
I'm pretty sure they meant "at the time relatively remote forest."  Since the t and r keys are next to each other on the keyboard.
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Re: If you thought fighting wildfires in the US was dangerous
« Reply #9 on: 01 August 2022, 18:31:44 »
That makes sense, but I'll wait for confirmation from kato...

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Re: If you thought fighting wildfires in the US was dangerous
« Reply #10 on: 02 August 2022, 00:20:02 »
Yes, typo.

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Re: If you thought fighting wildfires in the US was dangerous
« Reply #11 on: 02 August 2022, 03:15:25 »
Thanks for the confirmation kato!  :thumbsup:

 

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