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Re: Syfy is at it again
« Reply #240 on: 13 July 2013, 19:41:07 »
. I certainly prefer the practical T-800s to that CGI garbage we got in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.

[sarcasm] yeah, the not-at-all-CGI'd T-800 was way better.  No CGI there. [/sarcasm[ ::)

I'm wondering if the people at Syfy are choosing to air Asylum films as a joke or if they honestly believe those are decent films.

But is that the motivation at Syfy, or do they just not care, so long as people tune in?

I heard the problem is USA Networks (which is owned by NBC, which is owned by Comcast) installed a programming director at Sci-Fi who hates science fiction, and that's the reason the programming is so bad.  He hates what they should be showing, and so is trying to program anything but, and the Asylum stuff is just there to satisfy the requirement that it have some programing from it's niche on.

I mean look at it, they change the name to SyFy, as if they're trying to distance themselves from science fiction, and they've even made statements about not ever showing Star Trek or Star Wars again.   and it seems the big bosses don't care that no one is watching, or are in favor of it.  Considering what they did to G4, I think the latter, because it looks almost like they're trying to do away with all geek-related stuff for stuff that appeals to the cool hip crowd.


edit: opps, forgot to undo the sarcasm tag
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« Reply #241 on: 13 July 2013, 19:43:37 »
I liked the space battles from the prequels much better than any from the original trilogy, at least from a purely special effects standpoint.
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« Reply #242 on: 13 July 2013, 20:27:04 »
I personaly think that the massive CGI used in the space battles in the prequels worked best to fill space. Imagine if you will, Return of the Jedi, the battle for the second Death Star, kept almost the same as it is, but with dozens more ships fighting in the background. Well done standard (in this era anyway) work with physical objects, made better by the added vissual punch that an animator can do with computer.

The same with a lot of other movies of the last, twenty or so years, the best of them used the CGI really really well, mixed with a lot of the old fashioned, like detailed sets and scenery, actors interacting with the scenery and each other. When they can suspend their own disbelief a bit by having something to act with, it helps the audience suspend their disbelief and feel drawn in to the movie. That's where a lot of the movies that rely too heavy on CG visuals fail. the Prequel trilogy for example. So much of that was green screened, that the actors had nothing more then half invisible blocks to act with, and it shows horribley
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Re: Syfy is at it again
« Reply #243 on: 13 July 2013, 21:33:34 »
[sarcasm] yeah, the not-at-all-CGI'd T-800 was way better.  No CGI there.  ::)

I heard the problem is USA Networks (which is owned by NBC, which is owned by Comcast) installed a programming director at Sci-Fi who hates science fiction, and that's the reason the programming is so bad.  He hates what they should be showing, and so is trying to program anything but, and the Asylum stuff is just there to satisfy the requirement that it have some programing from it's niche on.

I mean look at it, they change the name to SyFy, as if they're trying to distance themselves from science fiction, and they've even made statements about not ever showing Star Trek or Star Wars again.   and it seems the big bosses don't care that no one is watching, or are in favor of it.  Considering what they did to G4, I think the latter, because it looks almost like they're trying to do away with all geek-related stuff for stuff that appeals to the cool hip crowd.

If that is true..I think we should teleport them to the nearest volcano!

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« Reply #244 on: 14 July 2013, 05:17:42 »
I kinda had hopes for the channel with the BSG Blood and chrome shorts, then was disappointed when it did not become a full show.  I do like defiance, warehouse 13, and robot combat league.  then again weird or what, and anything involving joe rogan is a automatic turn the channel.  Heroes of cosplay didn't do anything for me.  so it seems scifi still occasionally shows science fiction, but not enough for me to get cable again.  the fact the have professional wrestling, and paid out the huge lincensing fee, that they could have used to make deceant shows and movies is a sore spot with me. 
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« Reply #245 on: 14 July 2013, 05:50:04 »
That's where a lot of the movies that rely too heavy on CG visuals fail. the Prequel trilogy for example. So much of that was green screened, that the actors had nothing more then half invisible blocks to act with, and it shows horribley

I just watched the Prequel Trilogy with my 7 year old niece...she asked why no one left footprints in the dirt. I told her to watch shiny robots and laserfire and all she did was look at me suspiciously.
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« Reply #246 on: 14 July 2013, 09:31:46 »
Practical effect cockpits?  Some stand in stuff Like a mech leg, or upper torso.  CGI for the hard stuff not to bad. 
besides defiance had decent "mechs"
There a Near life sized king kong being made for a freaking play, so a Practical effect mech upper with some different fiber glass shells would work ok. 
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« Reply #247 on: 14 July 2013, 09:55:21 »
The one, weird trend I'm glad to see leaving is that darned teal/blue tint applied to every film. Lord, is that ugly.
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« Reply #248 on: 14 July 2013, 12:51:57 »
Star Wars?  Seriously?  You want Hollywood to make movies in 2013 with 1977 special effects?


At any rate, it's a lot easier with starships with few or no moving parts, but I don't think you can have convincing practical mechs striding the battlefield like gods of war without CGI.  Not to mention firing lasers, ppcs, and gauss weaponry.

Try re-watching the Original version of The Empire Strikes Back, and the Battle for Hoth. That's ALL stop-motion photogaphy there, with actual, physical MODELS. Not a single CGI shot in the movie!  8)
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« Reply #249 on: 14 July 2013, 14:36:59 »
And the AT-ATs are very fake looking.
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« Reply #250 on: 14 July 2013, 14:48:53 »
And the AT-ATs are very fake looking.

What would be a "realistic-looking" 'Mech-type machine in cinema, in your opinion?
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« Reply #251 on: 14 July 2013, 14:49:50 »
Jersey Shore Shark Attack could of been made into a blockbuster.
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« Reply #252 on: 14 July 2013, 16:34:29 »
What would be a "realistic-looking" 'Mech-type machine in cinema, in your opinion?

Ones that actually looked like constructed vehicles instead of plastic models and didn't have such obvious stop-motion movement.
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« Reply #253 on: 14 July 2013, 17:45:22 »
Ones that actually looked like constructed vehicles instead of plastic models and didn't have such obvious stop-motion movement.

Examples?
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« Reply #254 on: 14 July 2013, 18:52:53 »
The whole flipping Battle of Hoth.  Not once did the AT-ATs actually look like something other than models on a set.
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« Reply #255 on: 14 July 2013, 18:56:06 »
It was 1980, what the hell do you want?  It was top of the line back then, unequalled by anyone else.  If it wasn't for those special effects people working damn hard and pushing the boundaries, there wouldn't be any CGI.  For those of us who saw it new in the theater in 1980, it was beyond awesome, it was the best special effects ever seen.  Live with it. 

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« Reply #256 on: 14 July 2013, 19:23:38 »
The whole flipping Battle of Hoth.  Not once did the AT-ATs actually look like something other than models on a set.

I mean an example of something looking realistic. Specifically, large Mecha or other such robots.
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« Reply #257 on: 14 July 2013, 22:09:33 »
It was 1980, what the hell do you want?  It was top of the line back then, unequalled by anyone else.  If it wasn't for those special effects people working damn hard and pushing the boundaries, there wouldn't be any CGI.  For those of us who saw it new in the theater in 1980, it was beyond awesome, it was the best special effects ever seen.  Live with it.

Agreed.  heck even old star trek FX looked good when i was growing up. Probably because i lived out in the sticks and all we got was old broadcast.

Sadly with all the CGI options available now to producers, it seems no one can really seem to write an engaging story anymore.

SyFy is a good example of this.  They have their monsters of the week movies, that are worse than even the old B films that MST3K used to blast.  While they could take some decent Science Fiction concepts out there and with a few of the new effects make a really good movie.  Even old classics such as "Silent Running"  and then from a few years ago "Moon".  Instead we get this garbage that is painful if someone has a brain and more than a 6th grade education. 

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« Reply #258 on: 14 July 2013, 22:13:09 »
So if SyFy showed Galatica 1980 would it be sci-fi again.
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« Reply #259 on: 14 July 2013, 22:25:22 »
I heard the problem is USA Networks (which is owned by NBC, which is owned by Comcast) installed a programming director at Sci-Fi who hates science fiction, and that's the reason the programming is so bad.  He hates what they should be showing, and so is trying to program anything but, and the Asylum stuff is just there to satisfy the requirement that it have some programing from it's niche on.

I mean look at it, they change the name to SyFy, as if they're trying to distance themselves from science fiction, and they've even made statements about not ever showing Star Trek or Star Wars again.   and it seems the big bosses don't care that no one is watching, or are in favor of it.  Considering what they did to G4, I think the latter, because it looks almost like they're trying to do away with all geek-related stuff for stuff that appeals to the cool hip crowd.

The scary part is this is believable to me.
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« Reply #260 on: 14 July 2013, 22:26:58 »
So if SyFy showed Galatica 1980 would it be sci-fi again.

No because that would be cheesy too.  There are but there are plenty of good scifi ideas out there that dont need a 100 million in budget to get produced.  but i guess unless people are titillated with special effects and people getting torn apart by dino croc or robot squid, there just isn't any profit in it.  we wouldnt want to produce anything that actually has a science aspect of science fiction.  Though i think i have seen "The Cold Equations" produced about 4 different times as part of a The Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, and a made for TV movie...

The scary part is this is believable to me.

I can believe it.  NBC seems to lack any redeemable qualities to it.  Used to be my favorite network (of course that was when Miami Vice was on the air).
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« Reply #261 on: 15 July 2013, 04:06:31 »
dino croc or robot squid,

And thus, did Crossfire inspire the next movie to appear on Syfy
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« Reply #262 on: 15 July 2013, 05:48:55 »
How about a modernized version of "Tom Corbett - Space Cadet"?

Of course it would require getting a couple of real engineers and scientists to design the setting, and real writers to make an interesting plot. As I understand it SyFy is allergic to both...

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« Reply #263 on: 15 July 2013, 06:42:52 »
No, because Tom Corbett is the name of the current governor of my state, and can't say more lest I invoke the wrath of Rule 4
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« Reply #264 on: 15 July 2013, 09:07:32 »
No, because Tom Corbett is the name of the current governor of my state, and can't say more lest I invoke the wrath of Rule 4
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« Reply #265 on: 20 July 2013, 16:00:02 »
And thus, did Crossfire inspire the next movie to appear on Syfy

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« Reply #266 on: 20 July 2013, 16:45:10 »
SyFy is a good example of this.  They have their monsters of the week movies, that are worse than even the old B films that MST3K used to blast.  While they could take some decent Science Fiction concepts out there and with a few of the new effects make a really good movie.  Even old classics such as "Silent Running"  and then from a few years ago "Moon".  Instead we get this garbage that is painful if someone has a brain and more than a 6th grade education.

Crap. Could you imagine if those guys got the chance to review the SyFy movies? Might be a bit entertaining.

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« Reply #267 on: 20 July 2013, 16:47:54 »
One once or twice.  The syfy original movies are so formulistic that they're effectively the same movie every time, so jokes about them would get stale just as quickly.
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« Reply #268 on: 20 July 2013, 17:13:05 »
You want them to ruin the franchise with bad rap being on their version of the boob tube??? Better special effects won't save them from bad scripts and channel would franchise a bad rep.  Anyways i'm with others, Syfy is not for me.

Agreed.  If Syfy got their fangs into Btech, you can bet it would be a load of donkey nuts.

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Actually i have heard that some of their casts treat it as a badge of honor to star in one of the syfy movies of the week.  while others do it because they lost a bet or owe money to the mob...

A badge of honor?  They must have lard for brains.

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They don't believe that they're good, they believe that they're so dirt cheap to make that they bring in plenty of revenue even if they're panned by everyone.  One of my sister's friends used to work for the channel.  He said that everybody there knows how much of a joke the channel is anymore but the management doesn't care.

Perhaps we need to start getting sponsors to leave the channel if they don't star making better stuff..

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I kinda had hopes for the channel with the BSG Blood and chrome shorts, then was disappointed when it did not become a full show.

It gave me hope too...

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