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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #60 on: 06 October 2021, 03:52:17 »
For miniatures marketed through Shapeways, may I suggest making them available in the HP Multijet grey material? It’s much better quality than the white basic plastic, keeps crisp detail, and is only a tiny bit more expensive. An excellent middle ground between cheap&basic and topquality+highprice.

That we can most certainly do.
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #61 on: 06 October 2021, 03:55:58 »
It is available in the grey PA12, if that is the one you are thinking of.
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #62 on: 21 March 2022, 08:24:41 »
[Casts "Thread resurrection]

Turn of news on this front: moving from TTG to RPG, simply because shipping/materials costs are still too high (thanks COVID!).

https://budgiesmugglergames.com/xenovita-rpg-launch/
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #63 on: 21 March 2022, 14:40:16 »
[Casts "Thread resurrection]

Turn of news on this front: moving from TTG to RPG, simply because shipping/materials costs are still too high (thanks COVID!).

https://budgiesmugglergames.com/xenovita-rpg-launch/

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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #64 on: 22 March 2022, 10:27:34 »
That's little disappointing. I wanted to fight in big squadrons of Leviathan size warship. Duking it out on battle ground with grav tanks.
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #65 on: 18 April 2022, 22:25:23 »
Question. Budgie Smuggler has the rights to renegade legion. Does that mean you can scan the old material and put it on drivethru? Or is that outside the license?

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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #66 on: 04 May 2022, 13:27:38 »
Y'know.  Since Infantry were an integral part of the Centurion Grav Tank game, it would be nice to have art for that.

Will there be an effort at Minis/Models as a long-run goal? 

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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #67 on: 04 May 2022, 13:41:32 »
A couple other questions: 
How closely will the RPG combat match the planned Centurion game's combat? 
And how closely does the current plan for the combat in the Centurion Game match the old D10 system out of the FASA days?

Thanks.
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #68 on: 29 July 2022, 19:37:26 »
So, I was called to my folks place the other day to grab some stuff since they're cleaning out a lot of stuff.

After 30 Years gone missing to my dismay. I have found my most beloved book of Renegade Legion....Leviathan: Capital Ship Briefing (TRO)! Little misty but still in plastic sleeve from the gaming store in Guam.


I find it ironic that I found the book as the kickstarter for the steampunk Leviathans game is rolling out.
Little musty, wiggly due to humidity, but it was still in the plastic sleeve from the Hava Book store from Guam, where I bought it while in the US Navy.

I just looked at the book on Amazon, seeing if there was electronic/scanned version of it ...none I could find. The book going for stupid amount of money, 100-300 bucks on amzon.  :yikes:

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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #69 on: 29 July 2022, 23:40:22 »
I love that book for the art.

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« Reply #70 on: 30 July 2022, 09:24:00 »
So, I was call to my folks place other day to grab stuff since their cleaning out a lot of stuff.

After 30 Years gone missing to my dismay. I have found my most beloved book of Renegade Legion....Leviathan: Capital Ship Briefing (TRO)! Little misty but still in plastic sleeve from the gaming store in Guam.


I find it ironic that I found the book as the kickstarter for the steampunk Leviathans game is rolling out.
Little musty, wiggly due to humidity, but it was still in the plastic sleeve from the Hava Book store from Guam, where I bought it while in the US Navy.

I just looked at the book on Amazon, seeing if there was electronic/scanned version of it ...none I could find. The book going for stupid amount of money, 100-300 bucks on amzon.  :yikes:

I remember paging through that book decades ago, but not buying it.

Kicking myself now, as it’s one of the few books I need to complete my Renegade Legion collection.

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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #71 on: 30 July 2022, 16:42:06 »
Wow what a find   :thumbsup:
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #72 on: 01 August 2022, 19:27:56 »
Question. Budgie Smuggler has the rights to renegade legion. Does that mean you can scan the old material and put it on drivethru? Or is that outside the license?

No, we won't be using any of the old material.

A couple other questions: 
How closely will the RPG combat match the planned Centurion game's combat? 
And how closely does the current plan for the combat in the Centurion Game match the old D10 system out of the FASA days?

Thanks.

There are some cross overs, but each system also has to work in very different space. We are working through that at the moment.

We are looking at how we add depth without complexity to Centurion. The old game had a lot going on, and a lot to track, but with good game design you can get the same level of detail without all the complexity and tracking. That's what we are aiming for.

Y'know.  Since Infantry were an integral part of the Centurion Grav Tank game, it would be nice to have art for that.

Will there be an effort at Minis/Models as a long-run goal? 

We are looking at minatures and how we do that cost effectively and not as a barrier for entry to the game. There have been some recent spectacular mini startup line failures that we are watching closely and learning from. We want people to get a good price, but at the same time, supply and material cost risk is very high. The balance between good price point and business risk management is a very small target at the moment, and that has an enormous impact on what you can offer and at what price point so that you can deliver to backers and still function as a company after the campaign.
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #73 on: 02 August 2022, 11:34:57 »
So, being a major fan of Renegade Legion from back in the early 90s til its demises in the hands of NightShift Games.
All the information I have seen on the new Renegade Legion seem to point to it just using a few names from the original and not being the Renegade Legion I am a fan of.
Not a big deal since I have all the physical books from the original.


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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #74 on: 02 August 2022, 14:29:58 »
So, I was called to my folks place the other day to grab some stuff since they're cleaning out a lot of stuff.

After 30 Years gone missing to my dismay. I have found my most beloved book of Renegade Legion....Leviathan: Capital Ship Briefing (TRO)! Little misty but still in plastic sleeve from the gaming store in Guam.


I find it ironic that I found the book as the kickstarter for the steampunk Leviathans game is rolling out.
Little musty, wiggly due to humidity, but it was still in the plastic sleeve from the Hava Book store from Guam, where I bought it while in the US Navy.

I just looked at the book on Amazon, seeing if there was electronic/scanned version of it ...none I could find. The book going for stupid amount of money, 100-300 bucks on amzon.  :yikes:

NICE FIND!!  hooray on it being in good condition still!

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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #75 on: 02 August 2022, 14:52:15 »
for some reason the Voices of Varuna anthology isn't available POD from Amazon.co.uk, so while I was ordering some electronics from the German site I flung it on that order.  Will have it in a week or so...
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #76 on: 03 August 2022, 07:44:21 »
I would also like to bring up few facts before they gets miss represented here.
Unless they have recently changed,
1. Budgie Smuggler Games owns zero rights to the actual Renegade Legion IP.
2. Last time I looked they were running off a bunch of US "Name only" copyrights they filed. (Quite a few that were rejected)
3. They game is a complete stories rewrite from the ground-up just using terms like "Renegade Legion, “R”, TOG, Centurion, Interceptor, Leviathan, Legatus" pasted on to new entities that share vary little in common with their Renegade Legion IP counterparts.

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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #77 on: 03 August 2022, 19:23:33 »
They share nothing in common. I have nothing against the folks involved, from developers to the authors of say, Voices of Varuna. And, yes, I paid my money, for the rules and that anthology; I do not regret it, rather seeing it as a lesson learned. To call it "Renegade Legion"--a vibrant gaming universe in its day with a still-living memory--is beyond the pale, a cash grab and nothing more.
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #78 on: 03 August 2022, 22:00:26 »
Are you guys talking about Blacknova's efforts with his friends whom are trying resurrect Renegade Legion or there another group out there?
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #79 on: 04 August 2022, 10:50:37 »
Are you guys talking about Blacknova's efforts with his friends whom are trying resurrect Renegade Legion or there another group out there?

We are talking about the Budgie Smuggler Games version which is what this tread is about.
Which have gone out of their way to side step discussions about the facts that they have no rights to the IP.
All their post and promotions are "Renegade Legion is Back", not telling people its in name only.

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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #80 on: 04 August 2022, 21:20:24 »
Yes, the only thing present is the acronym TOG and the letter R. Gone are all the races from the real Renegade Legion universe. The game itself has no connection, not even thematically. The setting is approximately five-hundred years after "Real RL", so of course things will have changed--dramatically.

But then the question becomes: why call it "Renegade Legion" to start with? The game and anthology would have done just fine--such as it is--without the Renegade Legion moniker. The game does absolutely nothing for me, and that is okay. The anthology's stories were well-written, though I could never get into any of them (perhaps because they were not what I wanted or was led to believe what they might be). And that is fine, too. A lot of people probably don't like what I write.

If they wanted to continue the milieu, they should have taken the advice of a writer who was involved in the original to heart and internalized why the game did not do as well as it should have. They should have taken the universe and found a way to personalize it (through player interaction/agency and with central characters), which is why BattleTech continues to thrive. The game system was solid, but could use a bit of streamlining to get it into the 21st Century aesthetic and appeal to gamers today.

The answer is likely in the ballpark of what victor_shaw has surmised: they can't, for whatever reason, but are somehow allowed to use "Renegade Legion", "TOG" and the stylized-"R" symbol.

Now, having said all that, I do wish them the best in their endeavor and have not given up on it. But I do feel it important to note to the wider potential audience that this current iteration, such as it is, has [almost] no relation to the expansive game line that came before.

Maybe if they have another anthology, they will have open submissions. I'd be interested to see what the editor would say to me. My stories would certainly be different than those in Voices of Varuna.
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #81 on: 14 August 2022, 11:58:24 »
We are talking about the Budgie Smuggler Games version which is what this tread is about.
Which have gone out of their way to side step discussions about the facts that they have no rights to the IP.
All their post and promotions are "Renegade Legion is Back", not telling people its in name only.
Yes, the only thing present is the acronym TOG and the letter R. Gone are all the races from the real Renegade Legion universe. The game itself has no connection, not even thematically. The setting is approximately five-hundred years after "Real RL", so of course things will have changed--dramatically.

Thanks for the heads-up, guys.  I don't have a large disposable income, so I have to be very discerning when it comes to where I place my coin. 
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #82 on: 14 August 2022, 13:16:09 »
If you want an updated Renegade Legion: Centurion, this is not it. If you want another game, you could give it a try. The fiction is, again, not bad but has nothing to do with the types of stories or ambiance seen with the original game.
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When I needed something good.                                            One day we'll reveal the truth,
At 17, I had a better dream; now I'm 33, and it isn't me.        That one will die before he gets there.

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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #83 on: 14 August 2022, 18:59:29 »
Thanks for the heads up, I will be honest as I had not looked into it.  I was hoping that someone had figured out who finally had the rights to the old IP, because for years that been kinda a mystery to Renegade Legion fanbase, and had aquired it.

I was hoping that the old would be new again..   :'(
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #84 on: 14 August 2022, 20:41:35 »
Not yet, brother.

But hey, BSG started this thread, so they can set me/us straight as they choose to do so.
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At 17, I had a better dream; now I'm 33, and it isn't me.        That one will die before he gets there.

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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #85 on: 15 August 2022, 04:37:34 »
So I'm almost finished reading the anthology, and yeah it's not the OG Renegade Legion.  But it definitely feels like "what if we did a similar story starting from a basis of contemporary SF?".  The TOG here make me think of Ann Leckie's Imperial Radch, a decaying empire fuelling itself by expansion and annexation, more interested in cultural assimilation than racial purity.  It works, it feels current.  Having them control "half" the Galaxy rather than all bar one spiral arm makes the fight against them feel less overwhelming, pitting their singular intent vs the Union's loose alliance and clashing agendas.  I'm definitely not opposed to backing their crowdfunders for sure.
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« Reply #86 on: 15 August 2022, 18:47:07 »
It is not bad SF by any means. But it is not--currently--military SF, nor Renegade Legion*. I am not trying to be vox clamantis in deserto and look forward to BlackNova's eventual reply.

This cannot be explained away as a result of the time shift. Ignoring or erasing what has gone before and changing even the fundamental, foundational, touchstones of a fictional universe is the same as not using that fictional universe at all.

I would submit this as a talking point: Imagine WizKids, FanPro, or CGL had at one point declared "BattleTech is Back!". Their first sourcebook has a BattleTech logo and vague mentions of the Star League, a Cameron Star, and Amaris [common touchstone, not direct parallel] along with art that showed walkers more akin to Neon Genesis Evangelion. No mention or even the names of the Great Houses/Periphery/Clans, etc.

Gone are the records sheets, heat scales, critical tables, and weapons charts.

It may be a great game. I challenge you to call that BattleTech.



*That being a game that has existed in living memory, with: defined alien races; well-known conceits; well-defined visual styles; specified technology; and a focus on the application/exploration of military techniques, tactics, and procedures.
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At 17, I had a better dream; now I'm 33, and it isn't me.        That one will die before he gets there.

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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #87 on: 16 August 2022, 01:16:52 »
Personally, I wouldn't care about any of that so long as the game felt like BattleTech. What I've seen and read of the new Renegade Legion, it feels like the old one to me.
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #88 on: 16 August 2022, 19:21:46 »
Come again?

This new version--fiction, rules, and gameplay--has absolutely nothing in common with its nominal forebear.
Thought I might get a rocket ride when I was a child.          We are the wild youth, 
But it was a lie, that I told myself                                          Chasing visions of our futures.
When I needed something good.                                            One day we'll reveal the truth,
At 17, I had a better dream; now I'm 33, and it isn't me.        That one will die before he gets there.

But I'd think of something better if I could
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Re: Renegade Legion: Reawakened
« Reply #89 on: 17 August 2022, 00:11:10 »
It has plenty in common with original Renegade Legion.
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