Star Trek general thread

[gyedid]

Prodigy is set in 2383 according to the producers, so one year after series 2 of Lower Decks/3 years after Nemesis.

Really having trouble seeing how that's possible without time travel and/or alternate universes.  Maybe there's a reason why the Protostar's interior looks more like a Kelvinverse ship's?

Cheers,

Gabe

[gyedid]

It would be a hell of a crossover having the protostar run into the crewof the Lower Decks. 

If you noticed the display showing the ship's trajectory during the protowarp trip, it shows they went from "Delta" to " Gamma".  So they're more likely to encounter the Dominion before they meet with the crew of the Cerritos.

Cheers,

Gabe

[Lorcan Nagle]

Really having trouble seeing how that's possible without time travel and/or alternate universes.  Maybe there's a reason why the Protostar's interior looks more like a Kelvinverse ship's?

Cheers,

Gabe

I'd assume that either the setting was changed somewhat after the interview when they gave that year, or there's more to be revealed.  I assume that at least one episode in the current batch is going to delve into what happened to the Protostar given Jameela Jamil, Jason Alexander and Daveed Diggs are all playing characters with ranks in their announced names and were announced as being in the show at the same time as Robert Beltran.

[roosterboy]

In the Chakotay clip, he says something about an anomaly. Perhaps whatever it was not only shot the Protostar to the Delta quadrant but also back in time so that it's possible for the Diviner to have been searching for it 17 years earlier.

[gyedid]

A few other things about that episode...
--Did anybody else think all the Klingons looked a bit like Worf?
--Would Klingons really be bothered by AC/DC?  I would tend to think they would find that kind of music inspirational...
--Thinking about the Diviner and this "Order"... at first I thought it was a rip from Star Wars' First Order (such a character must belong to a malevolent imperialist organization, right?), but then it occurred to me, what if this is some kind of priestly/monastic order that forbids its members from reproducing (hence Drednok's warning to him about creating a progeny) and his title reflects his role among them (i.e., he's supposed to be their seer)?  I hope we get to learn more about them, to see if they're all really that evil, or if it's just the Diviner who has broken bad.
--If the Protostar did travel 17 years back in time from 2383, wouldn't that put them in the Delta Quadrant before Voyager arrived there?
If that's what happened, then Chakotay must realize they have to lie VERY low to avoid them becoming the Delta Quadrant's first encounter with Starfleet.  Otherwise he could risk encountering his past self!  Still, there's a clear implication that Chakotay and the Protostar's first crew met a bad end.

Cheers,

Gabe

[glitterboy2098]

So the Diviner was already pursuing the Protostar 17 years before the series is set, and he works for (or answers to) some outfit called "The Order" (gee, wonder where they got THAT from?). So does he really want the ship for himself, or because he was supposed to turn it over to them? The fact that the the ship's files were encrypted with the Vau N'Akat language would seem to imply that he did have actually have control of it for a while, which would give him enough time to become familiar with its technology and systems and start training Gwyn.

Really having trouble seeing how that's possible without time travel and/or alternate universes.  Maybe there's a reason why the Protostar's interior looks more like a Kelvinverse ship's?

the stardate given confirms that the scene is 17 years before 2383. in fact given the stardate, it would seem to be occurring only a few days before TNG season 3's "Menage a Troi" in 2366.

and in that scene they mention that people had been looking for the ship for years before the diviner even started, so it is possible that the ship landed much earlier in the past than 17 years.

--If the Protostar did travel 17 years back in time from 2383, wouldn't that put them in the Delta Quadrant before Voyager arrived there?
If that's what happened, then Chakotay must realize they have to lie VERY low to avoid them becoming the Delta Quadrant's first encounter with Starfleet.  Otherwise he could risk encountering his past self!  Still, there's a clear implication that Chakotay and the Protostar's first crew met a bad end.

yep. at the time of that flashback, Chakotay hadn't even left starfleet yet, and the maquis wouldn't even exist for for another couple of years (the treaty that created the DMZ only just got signed). janeway still hadn't even received a starship command yet, B'elanna and harry Kim had only just entered starfleet academy.
it's a year before wolf 359 even.

lots of history that could be derailed, landing at least 20 years in the past. and the farther back it lands, the worse the problem is.

[mikecj]

At least Harry Kim isn't an ensign... 

I'm concerned about the lock outs in Janeway's memories.

[Mecha82]

Maybe they locked away crazy Janeway part of Holo Janeway .

[gyedid]

Maybe they locked away crazy Warlord Janeway part of Holo Janeway .

FTFY 

cheers,

Gabe

[gyedid]

Finally, I can get to DISCO.

--First off:  the frakkin' size of the DMA.  Did anybody actually stop the writers and explain to them what FIVE LIGHT-YEARS is?  That's somewhat more than the distance from here to Alpha Centauri AB, right?  That thing should be completely disrupting ENTIRE STAR SYSTEMS wherever it goes!  Even what happened to Kwejian should be just a nudge.  Who was the science consultant here???

--Really didn't like the idea of making the DMA a non-natural phenomenon.  Sure, it makes for more dramatic tension with the galaxy's powers split into "shoot first" and "questions first" factions, but it completely undid the DMA as an analogue for real-world disasters like you-all-know-what.  I said before the season started that if there was an intelligence behind the DMA, that would just make it all ST:TMP writ large, and it looks like the writers decided to go that route.

--Do like the new uniforms. They have a bit of the '80s movies feel about them.

--So we know that Zora's emerging consciousness contains at least one of the Three Laws, even if not stated in those terms. Maybe the ship was ultimately abandoned because she became too much of a mother hen? (The whole "Measure of A Man" redux was pretty well done IMO, but with the script kind of flipped; I felt that Stamets came closest to the Picard role there even though he was arguing the other side.)

--Would love to know just who Kovich is; right now, he just kind of seems to be whatever the script needs him to be.  Still have to love the way he takes the piss out of everybody. Surprisingly, he does have a vulnerable side, but he's only shown a bit of it to Tilly so far.

--Speaking of Tilly, was kind of surprised she walked away, but after hearing her explanation, I can sympathize, since I faced a similar conundrum in deciding to give up academia.

--Did the Orions join the Federation after the Emerald Chain collapsed, or are they non-aligned for the time being?

--Anyone else think that this Tarka is playing Book for a big stooge?

--Does anybody else find it suspicious that there has been no trace of the Klingons since the setting shifted to the 32nd Century? Not this season and not last either. At least we know what happened to the Romulans, and even the Ferengi seem to have joined the Federation!  I can appreciate the writers may have wanted to avoid "Klingon fatigue" after the first two seasons, but for the Klingons to have just seemingly vanished like that is beyond odd.  (Are THEY somehow behind the DMA?!?!?)

Those are all the random thoughts I could pull together tonight.  Might have more later.

cheers,

Gabe

[glitterboy2098]

Pretty sure the short Trek with the ship being abandoned is now an alternate timeline. Because the ship there is in it's original 23 century form, not the 32 century refit. (Which changed the shapes quite extensively in the lower hull and saucer)

Suggesting that in it, the ship was abandoned around the time of the incident with Control, and made it to the 32nd century the slow way.

[Øystein]

Picard returns in march

[I am Belch II]

Picard returns in march

March 3rd, spaced out were there is going to be pretty much Star Trek most of the year. Got to keep that CBS/Paramount+

[Lorcan Nagle]

Also:

Strange New Worlds will begin on May 5th and has been renewed for a second series
DISCO has been renewed for a 5th series
Lower Decks series 3 will begin in the summer and has been renewed for a 4th series.

[Øystein]

Great time to be a Trek fan

[Lorcan Nagle]

Prodigy gives us a stardate this week: 607125.6.  Assuming that's not a mistake, it would suggest the show is set in 2561.  That said, if it is a mistake and there's one digit too many in the number, it would be right on track for 2383...

[gyedid]

Prodigy gives us a stardate this week: 607125.6.  Assuming that's not a mistake, it would suggest the show is set in 2561.  That said, if it is a mistake and there's one digit too many in the number, it would be right on track for 2383...

What's the source for this?

cheers,

Gabe

[Lorcan Nagle]

What's the source for this?

cheers,

Gabe

The Stardate is in Janeway's log at the start.  All stardates from TNG onwards progress lineally.  Stardates 41xxx are 2364, 42xxx are 2365 and so on.  DISCO series 3 gives a stardate of 865211.3 and counting from 41xxx upwards, 865xxx is 3188, which corresponds with the stated year for the series

[gyedid]

The Stardate is in Janeway's log at the start.  All stardates from TNG onwards progress lineally.  Stardates 41xxx are 2364, 42xxx are 2365 and so on.  DISCO series 3 gives a stardate of 865211.3 and counting from 41xxx upwards, 865xxx is 3188, which corresponds with the stated year for the series

Well if that's so, does Holo-Janeway actually realize yet just how much time has passed since the Protostar's initial launch? She really seems to have been reset and still thinks it's 2383.

I think I see where this is going...and if I'm Holo-Janeway, I'm not sure I would want to find out all about that missing past.  Kind of like what's going on with Doctor Who now.

cheers,

Gabe

[glitterboy2098]

The stardate for the "17years ago" flashback though matches up to 17 years prior to 2383, based on stardates and years given in TNG. Suggesting the date for a 26th century current time was probably a mistake.

[dgorsman]

Picard returns in march

I've seen ads for February here.

[gyedid]

That last episode of Prodigy didn't make a lot of sense to me.  Shouldn't each member of the crew have perceived their own time frame as "normal"?  It's like they were each still moving in normal time, but everything around them was going faster or slower.  Could somebody with a better understanding of relativity and temporal mechanics elaborate?

And the appearance of drednok and what he did there seems to confirm that he and the Diviner had control of the ship for some time.  He knew EXACTLY where to look for that device.

Otherwise a bit like the last episode of _Doctor Who: Flux_ mixed with the New Year's special.

Cheers,

Gabe

[gyedid]

The Stardate is in Janeway's log at the start.  All stardates from TNG onwards progress lineally.  Stardates 41xxx are 2364, 42xxx are 2365 and so on.  DISCO series 3 gives a stardate of 865211.3 and counting from 41xxx upwards, 865xxx is 3188, which corresponds with the stated year for the series

https://blog.trekcore.com/2022/01/star-trek-prodigy-review-time-amok/

Apparently it's being explained as a mistake caused by the ship's computer already being affected by the tachyon storm--before they actually went into it.

Still doesn't explain how each person could function independently of the rest of their time phase.

cheers,

Gabe

[Wrangler]

https://blog.trekcore.com/2022/01/star-trek-prodigy-review-time-amok/
Apparently it's being explained as a mistake caused by the ship's computer already being affected by the tachyon storm--before they actually went into it.

Still doesn't explain how each person could function independently of the rest of their time phase.

I've not seen it, but sounds like the simplified what was going on for the younger audience.

[glitterboy2098]

i just figured that either we were seeing a loop scenario like in TNG "Cause and effect", temporal fragmenting like in TNG "timescape", or a "every one was in their own isolated timeline that got recompiled when the cause was fixed" situation like in VOY "Shattered"

the temporal phase resonance explanation for why no one could see or interact directly sounded similar to the quantum resonances involved with Worf transiting between quantum timelines in TNG "Parallels" as well as the quantum phase stuff that effected Geordi and Ro in TNG "the Next Phase". so it could be that the effect basically spun off each kid into their own timeline, which while still connected and intertwined, was effectively isolated from each other. by fixing the problem that cause the issue in the first place (the interaction of the tachyon storm with the protostar in the drive) it collapsed the different timelines back into one. and since it occured before the ships blew up, the others became "unkilled" in much the same way that the Ent-D un-blew itself up in TNG "Timescape"

[monbvol]

Personally I chalk it up to this.

[gyedid]

i just figured that either we were seeing a loop scenario like in TNG "Cause and effect", temporal fragmenting like in TNG "timescape", or a "every one was in their own isolated timeline that got recompiled when the cause was fixed" situation like in VOY "Shattered"

the temporal phase resonance explanation for why no one could see or interact directly sounded similar to the quantum resonances involved with Worf transiting between quantum timelines in TNG "Parallels" as well as the quantum phase stuff that effected Geordi and Ro in TNG "the Next Phase". so it could be that the effect basically spun off each kid into their own timeline, which while still connected and intertwined, was effectively isolated from each other. by fixing the problem that cause the issue in the first place (the interaction of the tachyon storm with the protostar in the drive) it collapsed the different timelines back into one. and since it occured before the ships blew up, the others became "unkilled" in much the same way that the Ent-D un-blew itself up in TNG "Timescape"

That's not what I mean.  Think about what happened to Kirk in the TOS episode "Wink of An Eye", the one where he drinks the radioactive water that makes him move at super-speed so that he's invisible to the rest of the crew.  From *his* perspective though, he's still moving normally (as are the aliens that caused the problem; never mind for a second that most of the episode doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny, which has been well analyzed), while everyone else appears nearly immobile.

That's what *should* have happened here.  Gwyn was the one closest to normal time, so if she could have seen into the other time phases, Rok would appear practically immobile, while Jankom would be zipping around like <insert favourite comic book super-speedster here>, if not invisible like Kirk in the aforementioned example.  For each of the individuals though, everything in their own time phase would appear normal.  So even if Rok would seem to be moving slower than a glacier when seen from Gwyn's perspective, from her own perspective, ten minutes would still be ten minutes, and the ship would still go kablooey in that time.  Same as with Dal when he noted that the game he played got faster--he shouldn't have noticed anything because HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN FASTER WITH IT.  Instead, each of the crew reacted like they were all holograms like Holo-Janeway, somehow shielded from the different flows of time in each time phase.  Almost like each of them existed in a skin-tight pocket of their "native" time.

cheers,

Gabe

[Wrangler]

Those whom maybe interested....it's coming in May.

[Mecha82]

Those whom maybe interested....it's coming in May.

That's interesting visual.

[Lorcan Nagle]

Pike did love his horses.