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RevenVrake

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Reven's Secret Protomech Lab
« on: 07 October 2019, 23:53:25 »
I've always been fascinated with Protos, no real reason I can give why. Its just the thought of five of these strange things trying to equal a single battlemech and I've got to see how they can do it.

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So, to start off, can I make a 'better' Roc?

Well...if expensive is no cost, then maybe?

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Tengu (Standard)
Mass: 9 tons
Chassis:
Power Plant: 81 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 129.6 kph
Jump Jets:
     Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 ER Medium Laser
Introduction Year: 3070
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Cost: 897,996.5 C-bills

Type: Tengu
Technology Base: Clan (Standard)
Tonnage: 9
Battle Value: 449

Equipment                                         Mass (kg)
Internal Structure                                  900
Engine                        81                  2,500
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 12
    Jumping MP3                                     300
Heat Sinks:                   5                   1,250
Cockpit:                                            500
Armor Factor:                 45                  2,250

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    2         6     
     Torso                   9         18   
     R/L Arm                2/2       4/4   
     Legs                    5         10   
     Main Gun                1         3     

Weapons
and Ammo                   Location        Mass
Protomech Myomer Booster      BD            225
ER Medium Laser               MG           1000

The Tengu is a bigger, meaner, faster Roc. Sure, its jump range is 60 meters shorter, but its speed...

The Roc topped out at a decent 86kph. The Tengu can do 129kph in short bursts. Armed with the same ER medium laser, the Tengu also sports as much armor as the frame can possibly hold.

All of this for just short of 900k in Cbills or a hair under 450BV.

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Re: Reven's Secret Protomech Lab
« Reply #1 on: 15 October 2019, 00:01:39 »
I've been wanting to use this design somewhere in battletech. We all know (And roll our eyes) at Battletech using the lineart from the Macross Series. So why not use a bit more of it?



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Medusa Standard
Mass: 15 tons
Chassis:
Power Plant: 90 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Jump Jets:
     Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 AP Gauss Rifle
     2 Micro Pulse Laser
     1 SRM 5
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3121
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-D
Cost: 1,519,581.25 C-bills

Type: Medusa
Technology Base: Clan (Advanced)
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 496

Equipment                                         Mass (kg)
Internal Structure                                1,500
Engine                        90                  3,000
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 6                                    1800
Heat Sinks:                   2                     500
Cockpit:                                            750
Armor Factor:                 67                  3,350

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    4         9     
     Torso                   15        30   
     R/L Arm                4/4       6/6   
     Legs                    8         16   
     Main Gun                -         -     

Weapons
and Ammo                               Location        Mass
Anti-Personnel Gauss Rifle Ammo (20)      BD            500
SRM 5 Ammo (7)                            BD            350
SRM 5                                     T            1250
2 AP Gauss Rifles                         T            1000
Micro Pulse Laser                         LA            500
Micro Pulse Laser                         RA            500

Now, I'm trying to mimic the weapons loadout of the Queadluun-Rau from SDF:M, which was two rapid fire laser guns in the arms, two auto-cannons in the torso, and a bunch of missiles. Soooo...

2 Micro-Pulse Lasers, 2 AP-Gauss Rifles and five SRM tubes for that missile barrage. Now, movement was a big problem. See the Queadluun-Rau is known for flying in-spite of the fact it has no actual lift generating surfaces. It just uses sheer jet power to fly. So to mimic that, I used IJJs, with a total jump range of six. That's pretty good in my opinion, especially if you fly into a city with it, which its short range arsenal just fits.

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Re: Reven's Secret Protomech Lab
« Reply #2 on: 17 October 2019, 00:43:55 »
Hey, I know Clan Wolf has their vaunted Orion IIC which they guard to the death, but what if another Clan decides to try another avenue that the Wolves rejected?

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Orion Protomech
Mass: 15 tons
Power Plant: 90 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Jump Jets:
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 ER Medium Laser
     1 SRM 3
     1 LRM 5
     2 ER Small Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3131
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-X
Cost: 1,548,906.25 C-bills

Type: Orion
Technology Base: Clan (Experimental)
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 583

Equipment                                         Mass (kg)
Internal Structure                                1,500
Engine                        90                  3,000
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:                   9                   2,250
Cockpit:                                            750
Armor Factor:                 67                  3,350

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    4         9     
     Torso                   15        30   
     R/L Arm                4/4       6/6   
     Legs                    8         16   
     Main Gun                -         -     

Weapons
and Ammo              Location        Mass
SRM 3 Ammo (5)           BD            150
LRM 5 Ammo (6)           BD            250
LRM 5                    T            1000
SRM 3                    T             750
ER Medium Laser          T            1000
ER Small Laser           LA            500
ER Small Laser           RA            500

That's right baby, Orion Protomech! With a 'big' ER Medium Laser replacing the auto-cannon the little guy clones the classic machine pretty closely. It has an LRM-5 and SRM-3, with 6 reloads and 5 respectively. A pair of ER Small Lasers, one per arm, ape the old medium lasers. The proto is 'slow' at merely 64/kph, but it comes with as much armor as it possibly can to coat the little machine.

When deployed in points this little bugger is a real terror in cities, due to wide variety of weapons.

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Hey guys, Lets take a look at the first variation on the Medusa I put up before.



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Medusa (Enhanced)
Mass: 15 tons
Chassis:
Power Plant: 90 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets:
     Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 ER Medium Laser
     3 Machine Gun
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-E
Cost: 1,764,243.75 C-bills

Type: Medusa
Technology Base: Clan (Experimental)
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 610

Equipment                                         Mass (kg)
Internal Structure                                1,500
Engine                        90                  3,000
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP6                                    1800
Heat Sinks:                   5                   1,250
Cockpit:                                            750
Armor Factor:                 67                  3,350

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    4         9     
     Torso                   15        30   
     R/L Arm                4/4       6/6   
     Legs                    8         16   
     Main Gun                -         -     

Weapons
and Ammo                   Location        Mass
Protomech Myomer Booster      BD            375
Machine Gun Ammo (45)         BD            225
ECM Suite                     T            1000
Machine Gun                   T             250
ER Medium Laser               T            1000
Machine Gun                   LA            250
Machine Gun                   RA            250

The 2nd Medusa type protomech maintains the speed of the original, and actually augments it with a Myomer Booster to help it accelerate to 86/kph in short bursts. The weapons are all swapped out, with the machine now sporting three machineguns and a single big ER Medium Laser mounted over the shoulder. But its the addition of a Clan ECM suite with really changes things up. This machine is meant to break C3 systems in a city or heavy jungle, swamping an enemy unit when an entire point of these buggers come bouncing over the horizon. Armor is exactly the same.
« Last Edit: 17 October 2019, 00:57:14 by RevenVrake »

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Re: Reven's Secret Protomech Lab
« Reply #3 on: 04 January 2020, 16:04:13 »
Those are really awesome!
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Re: Reven's Secret Protomech Lab
« Reply #4 on: 01 May 2020, 09:19:09 »
I've been working on this idea for quite a while, a trooper Proto-Mech for the dark ages that uses the 15 ton chassis cause really its the most efficient ton for ton and you can do some interesting things with it.

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Jackal Super-Heavy Protomech
Mass: 15 tons
Chassis:
Power Plant: 135 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Jump Jets:
     Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 ER Medium Laser
     2 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-D
Cost: 1,735,781.25 C-bills

Type: Jackal
Technology Base: Clan (Standard)
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 611

Equipment                                         Mass (kg)
Internal Structure                                1,500
Engine                        135                 4,500
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP3                                     450
Heat Sinks:                   5                   1,250
Cockpit:                                            750
Armor Factor:                 67                  3,350

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    4         9     
     Torso                   15        30   
     R/L Arm                4/4       6/6   
     Legs                    8         16   
     Main Gun                -         -     

Weapons
and Ammo                Location        Mass
Machine Gun Ammo (40)      BD            200
Light Active Probe         T             500
ECM Suite                  T            1000
ER Medium Laser            T            1000
Machine Gun                LA            250
Machine Gun                RA            250

So, the Jackal protomech. Armed with a torso mounted ER Medium Laser it at once draws comparison with the Roc, both sporting the ER Medium Laser. While the Roc doesn't quite cost half of what the Jackal does in BV2 the Jackal does come with some other options. The Jackal is faster on its feet, sporting the very nice 6/9 movement ratio, and given that Protomechs don't need to make piloting checks suddenly that speed on concrete is amazing. It does have a 90 meter jump range to help it get over the impassable terrain it can't conquer but don't count on jumping for its agility. The machine also sports a full ECM system and a light active probe, again lending it to the Urban Warfare role. To handle the inevitable infantry encountered it sports a pair of regular machineguns, 1 in each arm, each fed from a 20 burst magazine. Armor is maxed out, meaning the torso can handle 2 full Gauss hits and not breach.

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Re: Reven's Secret Protomech Lab
« Reply #5 on: 17 June 2020, 13:32:02 »
So I read somewhere that you could do the Commando mech as a Protomech and it would only be possibly better. Let's see shall we?

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Commando Protomech (Prototype)
Mass: 15 tons
Power Plant: 135 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Jump Jets:
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 SRM 4
     1 Medium Chem Laser
     1 SRM 6
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-E
Cost: 1,597,781.25 C-bills

Type: Commando Protomech
Technology Base: Clan (Experimental)
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 559

Equipment                                         Mass (kg)
Internal Structure                                1,500
Engine                        135                 4,500
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:                   0                       0
Cockpit:                                            750
Armor Factor:                 67                  3,350

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    4         9     
     Torso                   15        30   
     R/L Arm                4/4       6/6   
     Legs                    8         16   
     Main Gun                -         -     

Weapons
and Ammo                          Location        Mass
Medium Chemical Laser Ammo (15)      BD            500
SRM 4 Ammo (9)                       BD            360
SRM 6 Ammo (9)                       BD            540
SRM 6                                T            1500
SRM 4                                LA           1000
Medium Chem Laser                    RA           1000

So a regular Commando has a BV of 541 and this Protomech has a BV of 559. So its slightly more expensive but has the same firepower output, at least for a while. It has the same SRM-4 and SRM-6, each with 9 rounds of fire total. But instead of the IS Medium Laser the Protomech instead uses a Medium Chemical Laser to avoid needing heatsinks to cool the weapon. The mech has 3.35 tons of armor applied to it...and roughly I think its actually better protected than the original commando, especially when you could the near miss rule of the Protomech.

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Re: Reven's Secret Protomech Lab
« Reply #6 on: 11 October 2020, 19:00:37 »
I've had a bunch of Urban warfare Protomech ideas. And then I got this idea.

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Hedgehog Urban Warfare Protomech Prototype
Mass: 15 tons
Power Plant: 105 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 129.6 kph
Jump Jets:
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     3 SRM 5
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-E
Cost: 1,593,181.25 C-bills

Type: Hedgehog (Quad)
Technology Base: Clan (Experimental)
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 705

Equipment                                         Mass (kg)
Internal Structure                                1,500
Engine                        105                 3,500
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 12
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:                   0                       0
Cockpit:                                            750
Armor Factor:                 72                  3,600

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    4         9     
     Torso                   15        30   
     Legs                    16        28   
     Main Gun                2         5     

Weapons
and Ammo                   Location        Mass
Protomech Myomer Booster      BD            375
SRM 5 Ammo (30)               BD           1500
SRM 5                         T            1250
2 SRM 5s                      MG           2500

Fifteen SRM tubes, ten of them in a turret and five forward. Ten Reloads per launcher. Able to break over a hundred and twenty at a MASC improved charge. Won't slip on concrete or roads. Yes Please!

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Re: Reven's Secret Protomech Lab
« Reply #7 on: 19 October 2020, 20:51:10 »
So I wanted a good trooper mech with heavy firepower and surprising damage when it gets into hand to hand.

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Hyena Quad Protomech 1
Mass: 15 tons
Chassis:
Power Plant: 90 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets:
     Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 ER Medium Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-E
Cost: 1,626,962.5 C-bills

Type: Hyena Quad Protomech (Quad)
Technology Base: Clan (Experimental)
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 705

Equipment                                         Mass (kg)
Internal Structure                                1,500
Engine                        90                  3,000
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 5                                   750
Heat Sinks:                   10                  2,500
Cockpit:                                            750
Armor Factor:                 70                  3,500

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    4         9     
     Torso                   15        30   
     Legs                    16        25   
     Main Gun                2         6     

Weapons
and Ammo                      Location        Mass
ProtoMech Quad Melee System      T            1000
2 ER Medium Lasers               MG           2000

So, for just over 700 BV you can now get two ER Medium Lasers and a 9 point melee strike! (6 from the ProtoMech Quad Melee System and 3 from being a super heavy ProtoMech)

Moving at 5/8/5 it matches the Roc for mobility and has pretty tough armor with 30 points across the chest and 25 on the legs. Ironic that it also has more armor on its head than any Mech outside of Super-Heavy.

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Re: Reven's Secret Protomech Lab
« Reply #8 on: 19 October 2020, 23:09:50 »
I really respect your commitment to this concept. I have a few protomech minis that I got in an eBay lot, and they look like an ugly horse and an alternate reality where the lead singer of KISS is also some kind of bird.  You have inspired me to at least learn what they are, and whether they make sense.

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Re: Reven's Secret Protomech Lab
« Reply #9 on: 27 November 2020, 13:23:01 »
So lets try modding another Inner Sphere light mech into a proto shall we?

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Wolfhound Superheavy Protomech
Mass: 15 tons
Power Plant: 135 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Jump Jets:
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Micro Pulse Laser
     1 ER Medium Laser
     2 ER Small Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3146
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-D
Cost: 1,454,893.75 C-bills

Type: Wolfhound
Technology Base: Clan (Advanced)
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 578

Equipment                                         Mass (kg)
Internal Structure                                1,500
Engine                        135                 4,500
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:                   10                  2,500
Cockpit:                                            750
Armor Factor:                 65                  3,250

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    4         8     
     Torso                   15        25   
     R/L Arm                4/4       6/6   
     Legs                    8         15   
     Main Gun                2         5     

Weapons
and Ammo              Location        Mass
2 ER Small Lasers        T            1000
Micro Pulse Laser        T             500
ER Medium Laser          MG           1000

Alright, so its a case of 'almost' with the Wolfhound. The protomech's big laser almost matches the usual Inner Sphere Large Laser for damage. The Clan ER Small Lasers 'almost' match up with the IS Medium Laser except for range.

But still...not quite half the BV2 of the low tech Wolfhound, with no need to make piloting checks?

The reason for the micro pulse laser instead of a third ER Small Laser is so I don't have to shave 5 points of armor off the proto to fit it with the extra weight. With the ER Medium in a main gun mount the mech can use ether arm to fire, instead of just losing the right and losing the big gun.

 

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