Mars Rising - Marian Hegemony V: Barbari ite Domum!

[Adacas]

The Schrek is an 80 ton tank that uses a 240 fusion engine.  Add it to the manticore which also uses a 240 engine.  Other than a 120 fusion engine for a 20 ton light mech or a 25 ton hover tank with 3 ML’s and a srm 4 in a turret you could just stick with the 240 engine.  Add in a 100 and 180 ICE engine and you are done.

It all depends on the benevolence of the writer who is essential to tell you if a tank fusion reactor is compatible with a mech or an ASF

[Coriendal]

"It all depends on the benevolence of the writer."

Or the Admin or company guy who doesn't want to talk about how everyone and their brother could build retro tech factories during the Jihad but there is no way a Periphery power could make plans, redesign an existing factory to upgrade to a bigger or different mech or do anything that would make them more viable.

The real problem is the don't want to change the history but do want to print books with new units in them.

Let's face it, the Toro should just replace the Canon Griffin line as it is cheaper and a Taurian mech.  The Hatchetman line in the first book could easily have been changed to the Talos, about the same weight with an AC 10.

Don't even get started on the fact that the Taurians have two Union lines but no production of the Trojan dropship which is "mistaken" for a union frequently.

[Adacas]

"It all depends on the benevolence of the writer."

Or the Admin or company guy who doesn't want to talk about how everyone and their brother could build retro tech factories during the Jihad but there is no way a Periphery power could make plans, redesign an existing factory to upgrade to a bigger or different mech or do anything that would make them more viable.

The real problem is the don't want to change the history but do want to print books with new units in them.

Let's face it, the Toro should just replace the Canon Griffin line as it is cheaper and a Taurian mech.  The Hatchetman line in the first book could easily have been changed to the Talos, about the same weight with an AC 10.

Don't even get started on the fact that the Taurians have two Union lines but no production of the Trojan dropship which is "mistaken" for a union frequently.

I agree with your analysis, curiously the Hegemony is the only power of the Inner Sphere or Periphery that could not modernize a miserable line of the primitive variants of the Jihad, curiously not even Introtech lines like the Fronc Reaches, are those rare things that happen to us us and Taurus to a lesser extent

[DOC_Agren]

"It all depends on the benevolence of the writer."

Or the Admin or company guy who doesn't want to talk about how everyone and their brother could build retro tech factories during the Jihad but there is no way a Periphery power could make plans, redesign an existing factory to upgrade to a bigger or different mech or do anything that would make them more viable.

The real problem is the don't want to change the history but do want to print books with new units in them.

Let's face it, the Toro should just replace the Canon Griffin line as it is cheaper and a Taurian mech.  The Hatchetman line in the first book could easily have been changed to the Talos, about the same weight with an AC 10.

Don't even get started on the fact that the Taurians have two Union lines but no production of the Trojan dropship which is "mistaken" for a union frequently.

I have often assumed, and we all know what means, that the Taurians were also building Trojan at those Union lines, or the hidden line for them, owned by the Far Lookers

[Coriendal]

"I have often assumed, and we all know what means, that the Taurians were also building Trojan at those Union lines, or the hidden line for them, owned by the Far Lookers."

But you won't ever see them retcon a book to reflect that.  The Taurians making Leopard's, Union's, Union conventional or ASF carriers, Trojan's and all its varient's is never updated in a later book.  Plus, every major(TC, MoC, OA) nation should have the ability to make a few jump ships each year.  That is how the "Universe" keeps them from being major players.

The Marian's have the best chance to build from the ground up.  Lots of techs, companies and colonists hoping to flee the inner sphere to a "better life".  Lots of Germanium and in the neighboring planets, resources.  Plus, what company getting pummeled during the succession wars wouldn't want a secure factory that could be built to their specifications and well protected.

[truetanker]

Because TPTB is ComStar?

And they are no more, it's the writer's fault for us to deliver from ourselves.

TT

[Arkansas Warrior]

I'd say the Thumpers are fine.

Testudos aren't support units, they're main battle tanks with a coaxial demolition gun. The Ultra and the heavy armor are core facets of the unit and if they're not getting used at the same time as the Arrow, then quite frankly it's a waste of resources.

It does make for amusing results when someone sends a scout lance to "Go silence the artillery they've got behind that hill" and they get hammered with UAC fire from your self-guarding guns.

[Weirdo]

I'd say that's a gross misuse of Testudos, though after thinking about it it's a nice trap to destroy an enemy strike lance, after which you can move the Testudos forward to their proper place at the front line.

[CaptainKlang]

Hi everyone, Captain Klang here. The marians are my favorite faction so I'll be hanging out and about in this thread, posting paint jobs and all that kinds of fun stuff. In Hoc Signo Vinces, and all Canopan Soil is rightfully Marian!

[Adacas]

Hi everyone, Captain Klang here. The marians are my favorite faction so I'll be hanging out and about in this thread, posting paint jobs and all that kinds of fun stuff. In Hoc Signo Vinces, and all Canopan Soil is rightfully Marian!

Welcome Captain Klang!

[Martius]

Welcome CaptainKlang. Always good to meet another Space-Roman!

[Saint]

Welcome to the fold!

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Welcome to Nova Roma! Canopus shall die a death befitting hedonist filth

[CaptainKlang]

Thanks Fellas! I haven't gotten around to creating pure Marian forces yet. I mostly began with what I call the IXLD, the Ninth Legion Deserters, a group of mercs that stole a bunch of Battlemechs from a very dumb garrison commander and went around Marian colonies for a few months telling people they needed to confiscate all of their valuables - uh, because the government says so. It took awhile for the authorities to figure out what was going on, but the IXLD managed to steal a shitload of materiel and supplies - including a fair amount of Battlemechs before going pirate. I plan to use them as an OPFOR for IlClan campaigns. Nobody likes pirates! They're getting their first big play in two weeks - one of our Battletech legends is moving to another city(so sad for us but good for him) so I'm GMing a campaign where him and another have to team up and deal with the IXLD - who just found a Star League Cache. We'll see how it goes...

[Adacas]

Another MUL Update, bigger in ASF and Naval Aerospace media, and a few small updates in Mechs and BA, we also got a few more tanks

Mechs

QKD-5M Quickdraw [60] (3050U-I)
SCP-10M Scorpion [55] (3085-PP)
TDR-9T Thunderbolt [65] (3085-PP)

Tanks

Main Gauche (XL) [30] (3067)
Goblin II [45] (3058U-I)
Hetzer (LB-X) [40] (3058U-I)
Manticore (3055 Upgrade) [60] (3058U-I)
Po (LB-X) [60] (3058U-I)
Patton (Ultra) [65] (3058U-I)
Kinnol [70] (3085-CE)
Heavy NLRM Carrier [80] (Proto)
Fortune [80] (3067)
Demolisher (Gauss) [80] (3058U-I)
Partisan (Cell) [80] (3085-ONN)
Alacorn Mk VI [90] (3058U-I)
Ontos (3053 Upgrade) [95] (3058U-I)

BA

Infiltrator Mk. I (3058U-I)
Spectre (3145)
Asterion Medium Battlearmour MRR
Asterion Medium Battlearmour CPP

ASF

S-2 Star Dagger [30] (XTRRetro)
BAM-1A1 Malaika [65] (XTRRetro)
CMT-3T Troika [65] (3067)
DFC-O Defiance* [55] (3067)
TR-13 Transgressor [75] (3039)
F-700a Riever [100] (3039)
F-700b Riever [100] (3039
F-77A Deathstalker [80] (3075

Dropships

Leopard PWS (3075)
Aurora (3075)
Avenger (3048) (3057)
Achilles (3055) (3057)

[Colt Ward]

Well . . . Main Gauche are from Kendall- so check . . . Po (LBX) is just common sense that should have been rolled out after 3050 when the cannon came along.

Asterion BA also makes sense- might be CapCon sourcing, but having arrangements with the Taurians also works since they are not so friendly any more with the Magistry.

Deathstalker ASF also logical with Westover so close and a previously un-aligned world that was sort of at odds with the Rim Commonality.

[Weirdo]

Is anything known about Marian naval doctrine or preferences? This seems like one area where going "Here's what the Romans did" doesn't seem like the best approach.

[Colt Ward]

Is anything known about Marian naval doctrine or preferences? This seems like one area where going "Here's what the Romans did" doesn't seem like the best approach.

What??  Ramming has worked so well for the Fed Suns fleet . . .

[Weirdo]

The Romans weren't a fan of ramming, mostly because on average their chief opponent (Carthage) had better seafaring crews, and thus were better at it, and also at avoiding it.

Roman naval strategies usually played to their strengths in infantry combat, using grappling and boarding to turn naval engagements into a series of small "land" fights.

The one time ramming worked really well for Rome was at Actium, mostly because it was so unexpected. Rather than face Mark Antony's behemoths head on, Agrippa used large numbers of smaller ships to dart in for quick raking attacks that destroyed the oars on the larger ships. Once they could no longer maneuver, the Antonian octoremes had no choice but to surrender - those that didn't were set aflame from a safe distance.

[Colt Ward]

Yeah, I was making a galley joke in general at the FedSuns navy expense.

The boarding idea is interesting when you look at the dropships added and those Asterion which would be more useful than IIRC Marauder & Ravager suits.  It would definitely be a factional difference compared to some of the other fleets.

[Adacas]

The Romans weren't a fan of ramming, mostly because on average their chief opponent (Carthage) had better seafaring crews, and thus were better at it, and also at avoiding it.

Roman naval strategies usually played to their strengths in infantry combat, using grappling and boarding to turn naval engagements into a series of small "land" fights.

The one time ramming worked really well for Rome was at Actium, mostly because it was so unexpected. Rather than face Mark Antony's behemoths head on, Agrippa used large numbers of smaller ships to dart in for quick raking attacks that destroyed the oars on the larger ships. Once they could no longer maneuver, the Antonian octoremes had no choice but to surrender - those that didn't were set aflame from a safe distance.

The Smaller Ship Tactics is an intensive use of a light ship called Liburna, it had double and even triple rows of oarsmen and an inordinate amount of infantry troops to board, there is a comment in a book that seeing them turn around the heavier ships I remembered Wolves circling around a slow wounded animal

[Weirdo]

Unsurprising, given that the Librarian was a repurposed pirate design. Speed and troop capacity have always been the top two concerns for any pirate ship since the dawn of time.

My personal hope for the Marian Navy would be the the MUL issue regarding the DroST series gets cleared up and we get them. I've suddenly got a hankering for a fleet of mostly DroST IIbs and updated Leopards, with an Avenger or Achilles flight to take up Liburnian duties. Lots of firepower, but not so overpowering as to feel out of place in a nation in the Hegemony's level.

[Adacas]

Unsurprising, given that the Librarian was a repurposed pirate design. Speed and troop capacity have always been the top two concerns for any pirate ship since the dawn of time.

My personal hope for the Marian Navy would be the the MUL issue regarding the DroST series gets cleared up and we get them. I've suddenly got a hankering for a fleet of mostly DroST IIbs and updated Leopards, with an Avenger or Achilles flight to take up Liburnian duties. Lots of firepower, but not so overpowering as to feel out of place in a nation in the Hegemony's level.

At the moment our Navy's Ship with the greatest fire capacity is the Leopard PWS, in the PWS category I think the lightest in weight and perhaps speed, the next in fire capacity I think are Achilles and Avenger both modern and old model and yet they are fast ships, then comes the support of CV ships, Leopard CV and Vengance CV

Apart from that we have Battle Taxi (as boarding shuttles I think), Ares Assault Craft and similar ones like the Condottieri to fulfill tasks of orbit/surface escort or patrol boat system and as a minor assault dropship the Intruder

[Colt Ward]

I feel if the DroST II gets back into production, it would be in the Periphery . . . and if the hauler gets built, the gunship would be natural for re-arming in the Dark Age.

[Martius]

Some very useful addition to our roster. Looking forward to try the Scorpion we got- is like a baby Goliath 6H in a way.

[Weirdo]

That Scorpion is loads of fun. I keep meaning to run one in a FWL lance as a command mech in charge of a trio of upgunned Cicadas.

[Martius]

It is really fun- and fiendishly fast with its lateral movement. Had a blast playing it!

[Adacas]

Add Chameleon 8V
Add Demolisher MRM Variant

[Weirdo]

The DeMRMisher just SCREAMS Cohors Morituri to me. Perfect for one of those fatal "Hold this narrow pass at all costs" missions.

[Starfury]

Where are all of these Alacorns coming from? I thought the factory was spiked during the Jihad.