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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1200 on: 22 April 2021, 07:34:44 »
That's something the Hegemony and the Federated Suns has in common.

The Hegemony have no idea what it's like to be a punching bag in BattleTech.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1201 on: 22 April 2021, 09:42:35 »
Well speaking of important things and leaving aside unimportant people who believe that Rec Guide 14 touches us? Mech Light or medium or nothing?

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1202 on: 22 April 2021, 10:43:33 »
Wait I get it now.

Uh, I don't think we'll get a mention in 14.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1203 on: 22 April 2021, 11:39:35 »
Wait I get it now.

Uh, I don't think we'll get a mention in 14.

I am not saying a mention, (which would be wonderful but we do not dream of things that seem to be that they do not care), I mean if we will play some second-line Clanner mech style the Vixen or some new mech or some new version of a classic mech

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1204 on: 22 April 2021, 12:07:49 »
So far we have had the following punching bags.

1. Copies
2. Taurians
3. Wobblies and FWL. But GWL has always been the uninteresting faction so hey.
3. Suns and Lyrans.

I think now it is the turn of the Cappies again and the dracs, that are about to get a 2 or 3 clan invasion as the selected ilclan punching bag.

I do not think the MH is much of a punching bag faction. Probably it's expansion will be curtailed, but that this all.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1205 on: 22 April 2021, 12:13:16 »
So far we have had the following punching bags.

1. Copies
2. Taurians
3. Wobblies and FWL. But GWL has always been the uninteresting faction so hey.
3. Suns and Lyrans.

I think now it is the turn of the Cappies again and the dracs, that are about to get a 2 or 3 clan invasion as the selected ilclan punching bag.

I do not think the MH is much of a punching bag faction. Probably it's expansion will be curtailed, but that this all.

Not punching bag, but designated "evil mook" faction. You know, the one you need to portrait like "kind of evil" and that have armies that fold like tinfoil to any opposing force.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1206 on: 22 April 2021, 13:43:23 »
That is quasi-punching bag to me.  Like Chaos Marines, or Galactic Empire.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1207 on: 22 April 2021, 13:52:27 »
Basically by decision of the authors we are the bad fool, with good equipment and excellent troops in all the books written but when fighting we trip over our feet, we act silly or suicidal, and we are unable to do anything against less armed troops, for true all our political movements that until the previous book were working have no effect on the next book.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1208 on: 22 April 2021, 14:25:33 »
any new toys for the hegemony would likely come from the periphery general pipeline. i'm not privy to the machinations of the writers any more than most people most of the time so there's always the possibility of a shiny new factory popping up, but based on the extant industrial base, i would put the over/under at 0.5 for the rest of the series.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1209 on: 22 April 2021, 14:40:23 »
any new toys for the hegemony would likely come from the periphery general pipeline. i'm not privy to the machinations of the writers any more than most people most of the time so there's always the possibility of a shiny new factory popping up, but based on the extant industrial base, i would put the over/under at 0.5 for the rest of the series.

Thanks for the comment Sartris, hopefully something appears in our options or collateral info of what you mention in what remains of the Rec Guide

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1210 on: 22 April 2021, 14:45:58 »
any new toys for the hegemony would likely come from the periphery general pipeline. i'm not privy to the machinations of the writers any more than most people most of the time so there's always the possibility of a shiny new factory popping up, but based on the extant industrial base, i would put the over/under at 0.5 for the rest of the series.

Hopefully that General periphery gets a good expansion so it benefits all of us.  I wouldn't be opposed to some more Marian variations of mechs though.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1211 on: 22 April 2021, 15:14:00 »
any new toys for the hegemony would likely come from the periphery general pipeline. i'm not privy to the machinations of the writers any more than most people most of the time so there's always the possibility of a shiny new factory popping up, but based on the extant industrial base, i would put the over/under at 0.5 for the rest of the series.

Funny thing is, most of the MH Fans dont want new shinny things, they just want to know what things are actually made in the nation!  :D

Would love to see a modern "marian" Emperor for example.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1212 on: 22 April 2021, 15:29:00 »
Funny thing is, most of the MH Fans dont want new shinny things, they just want to know what things are actually made in the nation!  :D

Would love to see a modern "marian" Emperor for example.

I think shiny new and what is actually built around here can be mutually exclusive...  Ok maybe I hope too much, might be brain damage.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1213 on: 22 April 2021, 15:43:35 »
I did bless them with a native-made Centurion....
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1214 on: 22 April 2021, 16:04:45 »
Funny thing is, most of the MH Fans dont want new shinny things, they just want to know what things are actually made in the nation!  :D

Would love to see a modern "marian" Emperor for example.

The eternal talks in the Marian Facebook group ..., it would be interesting to know what local production of modern mechs exists beyond the already known Locust and Commando

Any other mech that swells our ranks are welcome, be they new version classic mechs or Jihad / Early Republic or post 3050 versions.

And no Militiamechs don't count

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1215 on: 22 April 2021, 16:13:28 »
Funny thing is, most of the MH Fans dont want new shinny things, they just want to know what things are actually made in the nation!  :D

Would love to see a modern "marian" Emperor for example.

sort of an inside joke if you've seen the factory list... anything would constitute shiny.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1216 on: 22 April 2021, 16:23:34 »
And no Militiamechs don't count

If they march into battle with the stompy-stompy and strike down enemies with the shooty-shooty, they absolutely do count.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1217 on: 22 April 2021, 16:25:54 »
sort of an inside joke if you've seen the factory list... anything would constitute shiny.

And no Militiamechs don't count



As mechs do not count for something they are in the Industrymechs section in the MUL ...

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1218 on: 22 April 2021, 16:28:34 »
yeah. i was indicating that if you don't count industrials there's not much to count

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1219 on: 22 April 2021, 16:28:43 »
If they march into battle with the stompy-stompy and strike down enemies with the shooty-shooty, they absolutely do count.

They are listed as Industrymechs, I do not see any state commanding industrymechs to the front lines in an open war, it does not count militia actions against pirates, sending Centurion Militiamechs to a military offensive for the only thing that serves is to lose pilots and disperse the enemy's attacks


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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1220 on: 22 April 2021, 16:38:34 »
They are listed as Industrymechs...
So?
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...I do not see any state commanding industrymechs to the front lines in an open war...

You have seen exactly that, it's called the Marian Hegemony.

I'm not saying that sending MilitiaMechs is a good idea. But it is an indisputable fact that the Hegemony does exactly that, and apparently has done so for the past seventy-odd years.

Also, the CN9-H is listed in the MUL as a BattleMech.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1221 on: 22 April 2021, 16:51:11 »
So?
You have seen exactly that, it's called the Marian Hegemony.

I'm not saying that sending MilitiaMechs is a good idea. But it is an indisputable fact that the Hegemony does exactly that, and apparently has done so for the past seventy-odd years.

Also, the CN9-H is listed in the MUL as a BattleMech.


Where does it say that it has sent industrymechs to combat with the MHAF?, Reads the Fluff, only the last design was sent to the III Legio as a training mech, all the rest is for MILITIAS.

The CN9-H is no longer listed in Dark Age in the list of eligible mechs in the MUL, that would be in 3077 not now


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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1222 on: 22 April 2021, 17:02:52 »
yeah. i was indicating that if you don't count industrials there's not much to count

Only our "Ghost" Locust and Commando designs that Greekfire told us that it could be said that the Hegemony started to build locally with local parts production, after a first time since 3065 that had built those and other designs with parts and equipment coming from outside. first from WoB and then from assorted providers

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1223 on: 22 April 2021, 17:07:44 »
I need to get my hands on the Irregulars book to see the militiamech page.  I thought it was usually consigned to export and defenses and wouldn't see the pitched confrontation real battlemechs do, coupled with the fact it mostly faces Periphery pirates and not IS merc or house regiments normally.  I guess this stems from the confusion of not having a major update for periphery nations, but between new tanks and battle armors we have laxed on bm designs if we're still only producing Locusts, Commandos, and Centurions.  I can't even remember the citation for this anymore too.  We do have a bigger selection of retrofits obviously which I'm not complaining about, we also don't have that many issues with obtaining foreign designs. Still this has only cumulated into... an improved primitive Centurion that was upgraded into an industrial Militiamech. 

It's a start, it's just not an appreciable start compared to everyone else but I can understand both camps views on it.  I just think the Marians can advance further and still retain that "niche" of having larger squad compositions, lower tech, and making up for being behind the proverbial curve with higher combat experience.  You have cases for the Caesars keeping tech lowish for more mechs as a cost reason, and then you have Wobbies trying to keep the Marians at the end of the stick to keep their deal sweet.  Both are things of the past and can be expanded on by now.  The Marians had no issue remaking (and losing) Legio V after all.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1224 on: 22 April 2021, 17:18:25 »
Only our "Ghost" Locust and Commando designs that Greekfire told us that it could be said that the Hegemony started to build locally with local parts production, after a first time since 3065 that had built those and other designs with parts and equipment coming from outside. first from WoB and then from assorted providers

i didn't say none, after all. the MH's mech manufacturing is in the same group as Randis and the Fronc Reaches

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1225 on: 22 April 2021, 17:21:31 »
If only Militiamech were made in 60/65 years of industrial military production it would be quite pathetic, since from 3085 to 3150 there are more or less that many years, that is, nothing more than 3 versions of the same militiamech? It's pathetic where you look at it

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1226 on: 22 April 2021, 17:23:10 »
i didn't say none, after all. the MH's mech manufacturing is in the same group as Randis and the Fronc Reaches

Unless they do have mechs identified as being manufactured in their factories, we do not have anything outside of the Militiamech.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1227 on: 22 April 2021, 17:37:25 »
I did bless them with a native-made Centurion....

Oh, those are yours? They're really fun designs, I played a few H2H's alongside a few Testudos the other day and it was great.

Anyone else play with any fun Marian forces lately?
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1228 on: 22 April 2021, 17:45:09 »
Oh, those are yours? They're really fun designs, I played a few H2H's alongside a few Testudos the other day and it was great.

Anyone else play with any fun Marian forces lately?

I think some of us answered that a few pages back

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1229 on: 22 April 2021, 17:47:41 »
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