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languages of the periphery
« on: 22 September 2022, 12:41:28 »
so we know that the lyrans have german as their primary, the Fedsuns use french(?), the combine mandates japanese, etc.

do we know what the main/majority languages are for the periphery? especially the Taurians, Canopus, and the old Rim Worlds Republic?

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Re: languages of the periphery
« Reply #1 on: 22 September 2022, 13:29:49 »
They are all expounded upon in the Periphery States handbook and I believe in the MechWarrior 2nd Edition and perhaps later RPG material.

However, I dislike the choices they made and typically go with the Canopians speaking Portuguese because Space Brazil, Macau, or Goa sounds like a great place to be.

The Taurians and Outworlds Alliance both have a decent amount of Spanish flavor (Calderon and Avellar) so they speak Spanish, probably very different Spanish than each other but Spanish regardless.

I don't think the Rim Worlds Republic ever got the same treatment but you can look into some of the remnant planets in the Commonwealth and extrapolate.

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Re: languages of the periphery
« Reply #2 on: 22 September 2022, 13:59:13 »
Per the map presented in A Time of War circa 3075 (first language{s} is the official state language):
  • Taurian Concordat/Calderon Protectorate: English, Spanish, French
  • Magistracy of Canopus: English, Spanish, Greek, Romanian, Mandarin Chinese
  • Outworlds Alliance: English, Japanese, French
  • Marian Hegemony: English and Latin, German, Spanish, Greek
  • Circinus Federation: English, German, Spanish, Greek
  • Rim Collection: English, German, Scottish Gaelic, Italian, Greek
  • Hanseatic League: German, English, Spanish
  • Ummayad Caliphate: Arabic, English, Russian
  • Castillian Principalities: Spanish, German
Some others, such as the Tortuga Dominions, have no listed dominant language.
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Re: languages of the periphery
« Reply #3 on: 22 September 2022, 21:40:43 »
  • Ummayad Caliphate: Arabic, English, Russian
  • Castillian Principalities: Spanish, German

Portuguese is used in parts of the Castillian worlds, such as Granada, and the Arabic has odd origins. Per Touring the Stars: Granada...

"The Scorpions first discovered that the Umayyads—at least those who arrived in 2830—were scarcely Islamic and barely spoke Arabic. Their favored language was “slovenly English.” (The isolated Castilians saw Star League Standard English as a degenerate form of the English used in the early Terran Hegemony [which is when the Castilian settlers left Terra].)"

And:

"At the time, the new arrivals answered to “Last League Survivors” and “Camp 11 Survivors." ... In the end, the visitors and disaffected nobles used each other. The visitors sided with Castilian rebels to overthrow the don and declare the Umayyad Caliphate. (This was originally named the Republic of Granada at the urging of the visitors, but rebel Castilian nobles coined the names Umayyad and Umayyad Caliphate to improve the distinctiveness of their cause, ca. 2833.)"

and...

"The original Umayyad leadership (not the entire group) was built around a group of self-professed Muslims, but their version of Islam differed substantially from the religion described in Castilian libraries. (Indeed, contemporary Castilian commentators found the Umayyads were simply ignorant of most aspects of Islam, as if they had never been properly educated in it.) This core leadership used Arabic sporadically but appeared to do so poorly—it was more of a pidgin. It was the pro-Umayyad Castilians who later adopted and enforced Islam and library-based Arabic. The rebel Castilians’ goal was to create “a leadership apart,” a new political force recognizably dissimilar from Castilian loyalists."

And...

"Umayyad efforts to introduce Arabic added some loan words to “Umayyad Portuguese,” the most common language on the planet, while Arabic is primarily used by lingering Granadan elites."
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Re: languages of the periphery
« Reply #4 on: 23 September 2022, 08:10:51 »
Portuguese is used in parts of the Castillian worlds, such as Granada, and the Arabic has odd origins. Per Touring the Stars: Granada...

"The Scorpions first discovered that the Umayyads—at least those who arrived in 2830—were scarcely Islamic and barely spoke Arabic. Their favored language was “slovenly English.” (The isolated Castilians saw Star League Standard English as a degenerate form of the English used in the early Terran Hegemony [which is when the Castilian settlers left Terra].)"

And:

"At the time, the new arrivals answered to “Last League Survivors” and “Camp 11 Survivors." ... In the end, the visitors and disaffected nobles used each other. The visitors sided with Castilian rebels to overthrow the don and declare the Umayyad Caliphate. (This was originally named the Republic of Granada at the urging of the visitors, but rebel Castilian nobles coined the names Umayyad and Umayyad Caliphate to improve the distinctiveness of their cause, ca. 2833.)"

and...

"The original Umayyad leadership (not the entire group) was built around a group of self-professed Muslims, but their version of Islam differed substantially from the religion described in Castilian libraries. (Indeed, contemporary Castilian commentators found the Umayyads were simply ignorant of most aspects of Islam, as if they had never been properly educated in it.) This core leadership used Arabic sporadically but appeared to do so poorly—it was more of a pidgin. It was the pro-Umayyad Castilians who later adopted and enforced Islam and library-based Arabic. The rebel Castilians’ goal was to create “a leadership apart,” a new political force recognizably dissimilar from Castilian loyalists."

And...

"Umayyad efforts to introduce Arabic added some loan words to “Umayyad Portuguese,” the most common language on the planet, while Arabic is primarily used by lingering Granadan elites."
Interesting. Might be a good thing to ask the writers about, pretty clear conflict there.
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Re: languages of the periphery
« Reply #5 on: 23 September 2022, 08:37:35 »
Conflict how? Granada was expanding on ATOW's language references and clarifying some oddities of the Umayyad's origins.
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Re: languages of the periphery
« Reply #6 on: 23 September 2022, 09:29:40 »
As per BattleCorps story Trial of Faith, the abbot of the monks on St. Jean around 3050 is from Nueva Castile and his native language is "Neo-Portuguese"; he’s also fluent in Latin and Greek and speaks some Spanish, German, Dutch, and French.
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Re: languages of the periphery
« Reply #7 on: 23 September 2022, 10:43:59 »
As per BattleCorps story Trial of Faith, the abbot of the monks on St. Jean around 3050 is from Nueva Castile and his native language is "Neo-Portuguese"

That fits. I think Trial of Faith was mentioned during Granada's and Valencia's fact checking.
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Re: languages of the periphery
« Reply #8 on: 23 September 2022, 13:04:58 »
Conflict how? Granada was expanding on ATOW's language references and clarifying some oddities of the Umayyad's origins.
Sorry, misread. That's on me :facepalm:
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Re: languages of the periphery
« Reply #9 on: 24 September 2022, 14:11:25 »
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