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Dahmin_Toran

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Is the term Successor House dead?
« on: 19 January 2021, 15:37:45 »
Is the idea of a "Successor" House or Lord even a thing anymore? Are any of the Inner Sphere Houses actually trying to recreate the Star League anymore?  Do you think the failure of the Second Star League killed any chances of that?

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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #1 on: 19 January 2021, 18:22:34 »
They are trying to 'recreate the Star League' by getting 3 out of 5 votes from the 'High Council'.  Davion and Steiner came closest with 2, the Kapteyn Pact had 3 but they would never agree which of them should be in charge.

Essentially if one House conquers another, they would get that other House's vote.  This is why the CapCon keeps getting brought back, as nobody wants Marik or Davion getting a second vote.   8)


The Second Star League failed because each of the First Lords used the League for their own benefit, even with an existential threat on their border (the Clans)

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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #2 on: 19 January 2021, 19:40:27 »
It's only dead if TPTB want it to be so.  Personally, I'm stuck in the 4SW era, and I like it...

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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #3 on: 19 January 2021, 20:11:07 »
Would Battletech really change that much if the Star League was actually resurrected?    I mean come on,  even during the League Era there were plenty of military conflict.

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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #4 on: 19 January 2021, 20:12:20 »
The Hidden Wars were just a contuation of the Age of War by other means...  ^-^

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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #5 on: 19 January 2021, 20:38:02 »
The Hidden Wars were just a contuation of the Age of War by other means...  ^-^

My point is that the reestablishment of the Star League would not turn "battletech" into "peacetech".    It would be more like the Cold War on  Earth.   Absence of major all out war between the major powers but plenty of lesser conflicts.   I've read that during the Cold War some 11 million people were killed during the Cold War in those lesser conflicts.

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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #6 on: 19 January 2021, 20:51:46 »
Which is MUCH less than a more general war would have done... calling that a win.

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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #7 on: 19 January 2021, 20:58:01 »
Hell, I still call them Successor States.
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Dahmin_Toran

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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #8 on: 19 January 2021, 22:04:58 »
My point is that the reestablishment of the Star League would not turn "battletech" into "peacetech".    It would be more like the Cold War on  Earth.   Absence of major all out war between the major powers but plenty of lesser conflicts.   I've read that during the Cold War some 11 million people were killed during the Cold War in those lesser conflicts.

That is because there were dozens of satellites states to control and fight over. You cannot do that with five major nations and a sixth one keeping them in line.

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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #9 on: 20 January 2021, 03:06:21 »
Would Battletech really change that much if the Star League was actually resurrected?

It was actually resurrected, and not that much changed, so...

Empirical evidence suggests no, not really.

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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #10 on: 20 January 2021, 03:43:34 »
Hell, I still call them Successor States.
even if they aren't fighting over the throne of the star league anymore, they are still the inheritors of the star league's technologies and cultures so really all the post-invasion era did was change which definition of "successor" is being used.

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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #11 on: 20 January 2021, 07:46:08 »
Daoshen at least seems to think Terra is a prize worth having, so in that sense he is a Successor Lord. Yori also seems to be open to the idea of taking Terra as part of forging a new Star League under the Dragon. The other House rulers in 3150? Not so much. Even when the FedSuns and Lyran Commonwealth weren't on their knees Caleb and Melissa focused their energies on other targets.

So overall, I'd say by 3150 the Successor States are successors only in the sense of being existing heirs to a defunct government. And even that definition's a bit sketchy given that they all predated the Star League rather than being created by it.
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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #12 on: 20 January 2021, 18:44:34 »
So overall, I'd say by 3150 the Successor States are successors only in the sense of being existing heirs to a defunct government. And even that definition's a bit sketchy given that they all predated the Star League rather than being created by it.

I think it really should shift back to using the term 'Great House' to signify their standing.
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Re: Is the term Successor House dead?
« Reply #13 on: 20 January 2021, 19:06:09 »
I'm in book three of Drakensis' outstanding "Davion and Davion(Deceased)" at the moment.  There's nothing particularly "great" about any of them, really...