Register Register

Author Topic: Lyran Counterattack  (Read 683 times)

Colt Ward

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 21922
  • Gott Mit Uns
    • Merc Periphery Guide- Bakunin
Lyran Counterattack
« on: 06 January 2021, 17:29:06 »
Upon finding out the events on Terra, what worlds would Trillian direct Roderick to retake, in what order, and most importantly why?  Plan the LCAF campaign to hit the JFOZ.
Colt Ward

Beware the vengeance of a patient man.
Clan Invasion Backer #149

idea weenie

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 2630
Re: Lyran Counterattack
« Reply #1 on: 07 January 2021, 05:50:04 »
I don't know the detailed world data, so all I can provide is a rough campaign guide.

Kowloon style, where the goal would be to take out space based and orbital assets, then focus on the enemy military industry?  Removing space-based assets means the JFOZ ground forces cannot move from one system to another, and removing the military-focused industrial assets means the existing forces cannot replace lost units.

The other option would be stealth teams getting on-planet and sabotaging/stealing every piece of military equipment they can grab.  Technical knowledge would be copied, and where practical key items would be sabotaged to prevent their use to the enemy.  Combine that with capturing every lead scientist/engineer so they can be put to use in Lyran facilities to up-tech Lyran industry.  Primary targets would be Warships and combat Dropships, then a mixture of Jumpships, cargo Dropships, and industrial space stations.

Clever people would try to map out the JFOZ in terms of Living System Theory to spot locations that are bottlenecks and make those bottlenecks worse.  I.e. if the JFOZ only has enough Endo-Steel industry to support producing 600 tons of Battlemechs per month, while DHS and XL engine production can support producing 1200+ tons of BattleMechs per month, then the goal would be to sabotage the Endo-Steel production.  The ultimate goal would be a problem situation similar to the hole in the bucket song (where the solutions to a series of problems cannot be performed due to the original problem).  Destroying JFOZ FTL capability would cause this issue quite nicely if Planet_A needed material produced on Planet_B to make Jumpships, but a lack of Jumpships means no way to get material to Planet_A.

Phobos

  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 642
Re: Lyran Counterattack
« Reply #2 on: 07 January 2021, 06:24:43 »
In terms of industry, Sudeten, Butler, Pandora, Arc-Royal, Alyina, Arcturus and maybe also Edasich are a must. Problem is, aside from Arc-Royal, Pandora, Arcturus and Edasich, they are literally right next to the CHH OZ, so they will most likely be first, especially given the "cautious" approach Trillian and Roderick opted for, ignoring the fact that that approach makes zero sense.
Everything else, like Melissia is basically just there for the tax income IIRC or maybe also as symbolic victories. Blackjack could be interesting in terms of gaining a dormant (?) military academy, which would certainly help a lot once reactivated.
« Last Edit: 07 January 2021, 06:28:04 by Phobos »

Metallgewitter

  • Master Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 203
Re: Lyran Counterattack
« Reply #3 on: 07 January 2021, 07:06:40 »
In terms of industry, Sudeten, Butler, Pandora, Arc-Royal, Alyina, Arcturus and maybe also Edasich are a must. Problem is, aside from Arc-Royal, Pandora, Arcturus and Edasich, they are literally right next to the CHH OZ, so they will most likely be first, especially given the "cautious" approach Trillian and Roderick opted for, ignoring the fact that that approach makes zero sense.
Everything else, like Melissia is basically just there for the tax income IIRC or maybe also as symbolic victories. Blackjack could be interesting in terms of gaining a dormant (?) military academy, which would certainly help a lot once reactivated.

Doesn't Melissia also had a military academy plus military factories? In FM 3145 it is stated that the 3rd Lyran Guards raids Melissia from time to time to plunder the warehouses of Grumman-CRB for tanks and Mechs.

For the counterstrike: would Glengary (BA factories and apparently no garrison) Skye and Zebbelgenubi should be on the list. They are close, I suspect that the garrison there will be send to the Republic and the industry there should still be intact. Also Horneburg and Westerstede just to make the region around Tharkad is more secure (if that hasn't happened already) Arc Royal is a must as well, from a moral standpoint alone. Not sure about the "old" (Jihad-era) FOZ though. I bet the Horses are standing at the ready to waltz in there too

Phobos

  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 642
Re: Lyran Counterattack
« Reply #4 on: 07 January 2021, 07:13:09 »
Not really. According to Objectives LA, Melissia only has the Marksman in production. Adding Mech production capabilities in a time of peace (Republic era), also so close to the JF border, would be quite... something. Maybe they raid it for mechs that are brought in from other places for additional security?
As for the academy, is it possible that you are thinking of the Melissa Steiner Martial Academy of Bolan?

I don't think Glengarry has any BA lines left after the BA company there was bought up by DI with new biped BA lines emerging on Furillo ever since. To me it always sounded like they have brought everything over to Furillo that used to be on Glengarry, producing BAs.

As for Skye, if Trillian and Roderick are already fearful of possible Malvina-retaliation, I don't think going after Wolf occupied Skye is a likely prospect for them.

Metallgewitter

  • Master Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 203
Re: Lyran Counterattack
« Reply #5 on: 07 January 2021, 10:09:54 »
You're right I mistook Melissia with the Melissa Steiner Academy. But I reread the FM and Melissia is described as a heavily industrialized planet and that the loss of the Grumman-CRI facility was one of the worst since they couldn't save many engineerrs from falling into the hands of the Falcons. So either they are prodcuing more then just Marksman tanks or the systems that are produced there are vital for the rst of the province. Or the Commonwealth actually added Mech production when Grey Monday hit.

And for Glengarry: the GDT facility still exists and was even raided by the 11th Donegal. They captured over 60 suits that were produced there and even took vitwl manufacturing parts from the facility (FM 3145 page 127) So the facility is still running (probably rebuild after the Jihad to make the production of BA more spread out)

And Skye is under Wolf control? How did that happen? Did the wolves make a turn upwards before they attacked the Republic? Or is every Falcon territory now considered Wolf territory if the Wolves actually absorbed the Falcons? But even if that would stretch the Wolves to the breaking point imho.

Colt Ward

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 21922
  • Gott Mit Uns
    • Merc Periphery Guide- Bakunin
Re: Lyran Counterattack
« Reply #6 on: 07 January 2021, 11:11:36 »
Yeah, the Falcons started churning out the GDL Surat on Glengarry IIRC . . . as far as Skye, I think the Crusaders took it as part of getting Helmer & his honorable Falcons.  Heading towards Terra is going to be a interesting call- is it likely to provoke whoever wins?
Colt Ward

Beware the vengeance of a patient man.
Clan Invasion Backer #149

Metallgewitter

  • Master Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 203
Re: Lyran Counterattack
« Reply #7 on: 07 January 2021, 12:06:46 »
I just checked the IS map of 3145. So the Wolves turned up, cutting through the Mercenary Alliance just to take the Falcons OZ that borders on the Fortress? Was that after the walls fell? I can imagine why though: cutting of the logistics tail of the Falcons. I mean yeah we don't have static front lines in the Battletech universe but having that part as "hostile territory" would make resupply hard.

Phobos

  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 642
Re: Lyran Counterattack
« Reply #8 on: 07 January 2021, 12:10:56 »
Yeah, the Falcons started churning out the GDL Surat on Glengarry IIRC . . . as far as Skye, I think the Crusaders took it as part of getting Helmer & his honorable Falcons.  Heading towards Terra is going to be a interesting call- is it likely to provoke whoever wins?

Manufacturer: various
Primary Factory: n/a

Also in the fluff text, there's nothing on Glengarry.


Quote
And for Glengarry: the GDT facility still exists and was even raided by the 11th Donegal. They captured over 60 suits that were produced there and even took vitwl manufacturing parts from the facility (FM 3145 page 127) So the facility is still running (probably rebuild after the Jihad to make the production of BA more spread out)

Well alright, then it is up and running, I guess.

Moonsword

  • Global Moderator
  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 15210
  • You interrupted me reading TROs for this?
Re: Lyran Counterattack
« Reply #9 on: 08 January 2021, 11:05:28 »
Upon finding out the events on Terra,

The events in Hour of the Wolf, which we've repeatedly said to discuss in one thread?  How about you discuss that there?

Thread locked.