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So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« on: 15 September 2021, 00:51:25 »
Figured I'd start a thread asking into it. One of my original favourite factions, the other successors to the Star League, barring the Clans. Comstar of course spawned the Word of Blake which then tried to kill everyone, and eventually was gobbled up by the Republic, essentially entirely. With some assets being sold to Clan Seafox, and I suspect the rest being sold off to them in the future given that they are now apart of the defunct Republic. The Clans have no need, or want in any way, to utilize the name or organization from here on out.

And I suppose I'm making this post to point out that its really very... sad. Comstar was such a central part of the story, and such a major player for so long. It was basically the 'other' faction of the Inner Sphere of the big players. Far more important than a Peripheral State, far more influential on the outcomes of multiple scenarios. And now... it is but dust and ash it seems. I've definitely felt its lack of presence in the newer lore, but at the same time I see how it can't really exist in it. Its an odd sense to have.

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #1 on: 15 September 2021, 01:33:28 »
Yup - the Schism hurt it, the Jihad crippled it, and the Blessed Order fiasco exterminated it.

Fortunately we can fight our games in as many eras as we want, so there'll always be Silver Shroud for us :)
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #2 on: 15 September 2021, 01:58:38 »
I really wanted a faction that really did want the best for the Sphere too.  Just not twisted in the way WoB was.

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #3 on: 15 September 2021, 18:30:31 »
I really wanted a faction that really did want the best for the Sphere too.  Just not twisted in the way WoB was.
there still one adept working on fixing the hpg so not completely finish but as a military force yeah. At least for now

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #4 on: 15 September 2021, 19:02:36 »
I really wanted a faction that really did want the best for the Sphere too.  Just not twisted in the way WoB was.

Same. And also, to provide a foil for that faction, want ComStar to exist  ;)

While I'm sad ComStar's gone... it was always as twisted as the WoB. The secular ComStar was the exception, not the rule; for most of ComStar's history, they were deliberately starting Succession Wars (in the hopes of leveling all civilizations that didn't look to them for leadership), actively suppressing the recovery of LosTech to keep the technological decline going, etc. It was a small step from "conspire to make sure the entire Inner Sphere keeps bombing itself back into the Stone Age" to "bomb it into the Stone Age ourselves".

So far it looks like Diamond Shark might be stepping into the "shady conspiracy that tries to keep the Sphere divided and weak" sized hole ComStar left in the setting. I hope they embrace the role instead of becoming toadies to the Ilkhan. And then the eventual reveal where the Khan starts quoting the Word of Blake to explain his strategy...
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #5 on: 15 September 2021, 19:04:58 »
The Sea Foxes bought everything up outside the RoTS shield but I doubt they paid a penny for assets within the shield while it was up because they wouldnt have had a actual price for those assets. So Comstar may exist on paper at the moment on a few worlds including Terra. I also believe that the 1st Division we saw get destroyed wasnt the only Division Comstar was building up. Just the only one that was caught. And Comstar is very good at hiding assets.
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #6 on: 15 September 2021, 20:20:03 »
The Sea Foxes bought everything up outside the RoTS shield but I doubt they paid a penny for assets within the shield while it was up because they wouldnt have had a actual price for those assets. So Comstar may exist on paper at the moment on a few worlds including Terra. I also believe that the 1st Division we saw get destroyed wasnt the only Division Comstar was building up. Just the only one that was caught. And Comstar is very good at hiding assets.

I'd take Comstar or the WoB at this point if it meant Comstar coming back in some form. I've always been a big fan of the Comboys. Still, without controlling the HPG, or having some kind of leverage, they'd always end up being a fringe group sadly.

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #7 on: 15 September 2021, 20:20:55 »
So far it looks like Diamond Shark might be stepping into the "shady conspiracy that tries to keep the Sphere divided and weak" sized hole ComStar left in the setting. I hope they embrace the role instead of becoming toadies to the Ilkhan. And then the eventual reveal where the Khan starts quoting the Word of Blake to explain his strategy...

So Clan Diamond Shark is becoming Clan Loan Shark?

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« Reply #8 on: 15 September 2021, 20:28:05 »
So Clan Diamond Shark is becoming Clan Loan Shark?

They are 100% Clan Loan Shark. They were that before taking over the HPG. lol

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #9 on: 15 September 2021, 21:16:19 »
The big question is, have the Sea Foxes managed to get any HPGs working?  Or are we still in the "only 20% of HPGs work" stage?

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #10 on: 15 September 2021, 22:12:57 »
3134? "Stick a fork in them, they're done".  You don't even need to get as far as Fortress or the clan Conquest of Terra for this.  The real mystery is how Comstar was able to continue existing past the Jihad-at that point, nobody should have trusted them.

especially not with communications infrastructure.  Either of them (Comstar, or Comstar Word of Blake).

but they did, somehow.  which goes to show that inbreeding takes a toll.

but with the network rendered in the past-tense going on decades?  well, there goes your reason to exist, Comstar-you can't even keep the phones you've been tapping operating, and now you don't have your main offices-and neither do the faction of you that is pretending to rebel.

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #11 on: 16 September 2021, 08:46:21 »
Gotta be honest, pre-Schism ComStar is my absolute favorite version from a storytelling perspective. You have this omnipresent force that genuinely helps humanity through the communication network, as well as humanitarian aid and stellar exploration that can be a source of help or sanctuary for characters when they truly need it...but it also has its own agenda, and if you cross certain lines they suddenly become a ruthless foe that is almost literally all-present and all-knowing. Worst of all, nobody at large has any idea where those lines are. Hell, even knowing those lines exist can be enough to put a death mark on your head.

The storytelling possibilities are endless. :)
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #12 on: 16 September 2021, 09:17:38 »
The storytelling possibilities are endless. :)
WERE endless, sadly, unless you play in the past eras.

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #13 on: 16 September 2021, 09:19:48 »
But of course. One of the beauties of Battletech is that any given day's game can be in whatever era you want. :thumbsup:

Which reminds me, I really need to paint up more of that AoW battalion...
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #14 on: 16 September 2021, 10:26:52 »
We still don’t know who caused the blackout and although they lost most of their forces (that we know of) Comstar could come back.  We thought the Smoke Jaguars and Grey Death Legion were dead and buried but they have come back.  The only way Comstar couldn’t come back is there are no more tales to tell or it doesn’t fit the narrative.  And with the mysteries and machinations that Comstar has done I say we haven’t heard the last of them. 

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« Reply #15 on: 16 September 2021, 10:36:00 »
We still don’t know who caused the blackout and although they lost most of their forces (that we know of) Comstar could come back.  We thought the Smoke Jaguars and Grey Death Legion were dead and buried but they have come back.  The only way Comstar couldn’t come back is there are no more tales to tell or it doesn’t fit the narrative.  And with the mysteries and machinations that Comstar has done I say we haven’t heard the last of them.

Unlike your other examples, (and the Jags are a bad example-they returned because fanwank)  the problem with Comstar, is that they've betrayed so many people for so long and can't get the HPG's running for so long, they lack a reason to exist, both in and out of character.  Comstar's primary role was the same as the Church in the middle ages-communication and providing an arbiter, later they were like the Church in the Reformation, but after the Jihad, they effectively lost all credibility out of character (nobody in their right mind should've let them back in), while thanks to Gray Monday, they have also lost even the brute function necessary to justify their continued existence (Interstellar Communications), and had the remnant of that taken up by a Clan faction...sort of.

which doesn't lead to a restoration. Nobody is sitting there saying "You know what we need? a collective of chronic backstabbers who can't make the phones run to handle our classified information and critical communications."

The magical Mister Stone is dead.  dead and gone, there's nobody to convince everyone that 'hey, they've changed, it's all good now!!'

they're not being positioned for a revival, because of the Narrative.  Unlike the Jaggies, there's really no viable way to 'preserve them' in the hands of a secretive world power that has everyone hoodwinked either the way they preserved (retroactively) the Jaguars, and no ancient rights or royal bloodline or sword-sitting-in-a-stone like the Gray Death had to return them to existence.

They're the guys who ruined everything and then failed to do the one job everyone agreed they could do (and nobody else could do).
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #16 on: 16 September 2021, 10:42:41 »
So what if somebody does restore the HPGs?
Unless the blackout is going to last forever..
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #17 on: 16 September 2021, 11:09:21 »
So what if somebody does restore the HPGs?
Unless the blackout is going to last forever..

well, whoever does, probably won't be Comstar.  The writers broke hyperspace to make sure they don't come back.
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #18 on: 16 September 2021, 11:11:37 »
So what if somebody does restore the HPGs?
Unless the blackout is going to last forever..

If someone does restore the HPGs, I would expect the various nations to have both physical control over their own HPGs and their own training classes to produce new communications technicians.  Spare parts will be produced in a variety of locations, and a lot of double-checks will be performed to make sure there are no software or hardware backdoors present.  The new 'Comstar will at best be a form of Communications Standards Committee to ensure that the HPGs produced in one nation can still communicate with the HPGs in another nation.  Even then, their guidelines will be considered as suggestions by the different nations, and the nations might even have their own communications format for internal purposes only.

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #19 on: 16 September 2021, 11:30:34 »
If someone does restore the HPGs, I would expect the various nations to have both physical control over their own HPGs and their own training classes to produce new communications technicians.  Spare parts will be produced in a variety of locations, and a lot of double-checks will be performed to make sure there are no software or hardware backdoors present.  The new 'Comstar will at best be a form of Communications Standards Committee to ensure that the HPGs produced in one nation can still communicate with the HPGs in another nation.  Even then, their guidelines will be considered as suggestions by the different nations, and the nations might even have their own communications format for internal purposes only.

Doesn't that depend on who restores them?  If the Green Ghosts restore the HPGs, who knows what their plans are.  If Clan Wolf restores them, they'll be "sharing" with those that bend the knee?  If Daoshen Liao restores them, it's non-stop "Behold the Chancellor on his Jade Throne!" broadcast all day, everyday?  If the Gray Death Legion restores them, they'll share with everyone?
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #20 on: 16 September 2021, 11:36:23 »
Doesn't that depend on who restores them?  If the Green Ghosts restore the HPGs, who knows what their plans are.  If Clan Wolf restores them, they'll be "sharing" with those that bend the knee?  If Daoshen Liao restores them, it's non-stop "Behold the Chancellor on his Jade Throne!" broadcast all day, everyday?  If the Gray Death Legion restores them, they'll share with everyone?

You've just given a list of scenarios that are more fun than just "okay,Comstar's back everyone!!"  because those scenarios have character and plot that isn't just retreading old material.
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #21 on: 16 September 2021, 12:04:06 »
You've just given a list of scenarios that are more fun than just "okay,Comstar's back everyone!!"  because those scenarios have character and plot that isn't just retreading old material.

Gotcha.
Even if Tucker Harwell is the one to restore them, I don't think we'll see the same ComStar again.
But I can see scenarios where we have something in the position of ComStar, maybe.
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« Reply #22 on: 16 September 2021, 12:16:44 »
Wait.... GDL returned? Reference and PAGE # Please?

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #25 on: 16 September 2021, 16:03:43 »
(and the Jags are a bad example-they returned because fanwank) 

Is there a link or anything you can share about this? I'm curious to know where all of these "bring the Jags back!" fans have been over the years, and how they persuaded TPTB to restore a faction I suspect most BattleTech fans didn't mourn.

Doesn't that depend on who restores them?  If the Green Ghosts restore the HPGs, who knows what their plans are.  If Clan Wolf restores them, they'll be "sharing" with those that bend the knee?  If Daoshen Liao restores them, it's non-stop "Behold the Chancellor on his Jade Throne!" broadcast all day, everyday?  If the Gray Death Legion restores them, they'll share with everyone?

You've just given a list of scenarios that are more fun than just "okay,Comstar's back everyone!!"  because those scenarios have character and plot that isn't just retreading old material.

Agreed. Would be more interesting if a different faction figured out the secret to HPG restoration. Perhaps that might be one of the keys to the Second Star League going from a battered collection of Clans on Terra to the Inner Sphere-spanning power of 3250.
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #26 on: 16 September 2021, 21:21:34 »
Two of The Five are still unaccounted for. They'll likely always be a few of the faithful running around, but the overt power of the Order is pretty much extinguished, for now.
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« Reply #27 on: 16 September 2021, 21:38:20 »
Two of The Five are still unaccounted for. They'll likely always be a few of the faithful running around, but the overt power of the Order is pretty much extinguished, for now.

The central problem is, Lanceman, that the entire reason for the order to exist is what's missing here, along with all that juicy access and everything that made the comstar plots work in the first place.

it's all been removed
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« Reply #28 on: 16 September 2021, 23:20:12 »
The central problem is, Lanceman, that the entire reason for the order to exist is what's missing here, along with all that juicy access and everything that made the comstar plots work in the first place.

it's all been removed.

Has it? We still have two or three worlds unaccounted for...

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #29 on: 16 September 2021, 23:42:25 »
Wait.... GDL returned? Reference and PAGE # Please?
did you miss out on the novel? that came out involving them being reborn?