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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #60 on: 11 October 2021, 06:43:25 »
Honestly I figure the runners hid themselves on the remaining Hidden Worlds rather than going full Exodus. Going to worlds that have infrastructure is several times better than building up from scratch. And unlike the SLDF the WoB didnt have a large Corp of Engineers.
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #61 on: 11 October 2021, 07:52:30 »
But still the full exodus is far safer than stay in the hidden worlds. It is possible that all the hidden worlds are either already found, left behind or starved to death.

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #62 on: 11 October 2021, 11:28:50 »
Or a funny scenario: in 3250 the remaining Homeworld Clans come knocking wrecking the Homeclan SLDF and the WoB comes to the rescue. Very unlikely but it would certainly be funny

Or even the opposite happening, too.  The Wobbies come in on Jihad 3.0, and the Homeworld Clans come riding in to the rescue.

More likely would be that the Wobbies come in, the Homeworld Clans get jealous and come in from the other angle (or vice versa).  Only this time their facing an Inner Sphere that had been going through their own "Golden Century" due to the Wolfs, Falcons, Bears, and Horses pushing development via low-level conflict along with the rest of the Houses (that remain).
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #63 on: 11 October 2021, 13:30:11 »
Only this time their facing an Inner Sphere that had been going through their own "Golden Century" due to the Wolfs, Falcons, Bears, and Horses pushing development via low-level conflict along with the rest of the Houses (that remain).
I seriously doubt there will be a "Golden Century" since the century will be filled with the Houses and Mercenaries fighting in open rebellion against the ilClan.

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« Reply #64 on: 11 October 2021, 17:11:16 »
There is also the other option. The WoB created the MD's and WoB Militia to the extreme they did to be the tip of the spear against the Clan Homeworlds. What is to say that by 3250 they havent rebuilt and invaded the Clan Homeworlds?
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« Reply #65 on: 11 October 2021, 17:44:28 »
There is also the other option. The WoB created the MD's and WoB Militia to the extreme they did to be the tip of the spear against the Clan Homeworlds. What is to say that by 3250 they havent rebuilt and invaded the Clan Homeworlds?

Whose to say that’s why the Clans haven't reappeared in the last 70 years ago.  WoB and the Clans might have blasted each other back to the Stone Age.

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« Reply #66 on: 11 October 2021, 18:54:45 »
Whose to say that’s why the Clans haven't reappeared in the last 70 years ago.  WoB and the Clans might have blasted each other back to the Stone Age.

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« Reply #67 on: 11 October 2021, 19:03:37 »
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #68 on: 11 October 2021, 19:04:38 »
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #69 on: 12 October 2021, 06:42:06 »
So will the Clans follow the Precentor Khan? Or would that be the Il Martialum? Or rather Il Primus?

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« Reply #70 on: 12 October 2021, 23:21:09 »
I seriously doubt there will be a "Golden Century" since the century will be filled with the Houses and Mercenaries fighting in open rebellion against the ilClan.

Maybe, maybe not.  One of the reasons the Inner Sphere didn't have a "Golden Century is that they practically bombed themselves back to a stone age using nukes and warships.  Those are less likely to be used after the Jihad for MANY reasons.  Meanwhile Clan warfare is always about securing resources, which nukes and orbital bombardments tend to not let happen.

That isn't to say that the Houses won't fight the ilClan, it just won't be the destructive masochism of the 1st Succession War.  That provides opportunity for growth that the Golden Century did for the Clans.
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #71 on: 20 October 2021, 09:12:01 »
Maybe, maybe not.  One of the reasons the Inner Sphere didn't have a "Golden Century is that they practically bombed themselves back to a stone age using nukes and warships.  Those are less likely to be used after the Jihad for MANY reasons.  Meanwhile Clan warfare is always about securing resources, which nukes and orbital bombardments tend to not let happen.

That isn't to say that the Houses won't fight the ilClan, it just won't be the destructive masochism of the 1st Succession War.  That provides opportunity for growth that the Golden Century did for the Clans.

Well, First Lord Alaric could win a lot of favor by squishing the Cappellans and then strangling the Dragon.

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #72 on: 20 October 2021, 11:21:45 »
A lot of lapdog davion favor for sure!

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« Reply #73 on: 28 June 2022, 20:23:03 »
I would say that we start with what we do know --- right from the beginning, WOB was evacuating people. It mentions 200,000 citizens on one world being taken... and how many millions were "missing" at the end of the Jihad.

Two, despite the Comstar Propaganda, which in many ways was the reason for the Jihad.... they claimed WOB had nuked Tharkad, before anyone really knew what had happened, and a LOT of the Jihad information was relayed by them..... and we know they were strongly motivated to present the WOB in the worst possible light -- the WOB was taking away some of their profit margin.

Three, after the war, a LOT of WOB people were taken in by Comstar, and it is later mentioned, they were helped to escape.... and the question is, escape to where?

Four, the Kheper and Ureaus -- at least some of WOB's engineers were helping the new Comguards --- even the names fit, as both are religious terms.

Five, the Thunderfox is mentioned as having some engineers from the Blue Flame .... we know some existed that way.

So, we KNOW they took more civilians and people with skillsets outside of the military, than Kerensky took with him, which means that they could, easily, colonize worlds.
We know they had access to all of the Explorer Corp records, and that they destroyed a LOT of information on their way out.... so we really can't say they wouldn't have had worlds to go to. Except, that we also know that they still had 3 that they had been building up on, for a while, and by the time one of those 3 had been found, it was dead, supposedly due to an "accident".... which could have been staged to keep people from poking around too much and figuring out WHERE they went.
And there are still 2 worlds that haven't been found.

I'm pretty sure that they are still out there - how many spies would they have still in the Inner Spere ... probably a LOT, as a LOT of ROM was unaccounted for at the end of the war. How many doctors or other surviving communities have their secrets in the basement?

And now, they could easily step out, and NO one would know .... just don't use their mechs in the stockpiles, or at least, none of the specific ones, like the Celestials, or Legacy. However, we did have a LOT of small factions running around stealing up military hardware.... and now, we have mercenary units appearing on the market, again.

Quietly fielding units, or even staging battles where units you control are on both sides would start generating a bit of cash... as would operating as tramp freighters ---- a LOT of those still exist all over, and are even more important now, as message carriers, than ever before. The Sea Foxes are not big enough to control all trade in the Inner Spere ... there are definitely other options for shipping, and other faction controlled jumpships .... probably still roving, and no one is really paying a lot of attention, right now.

Finally, no one is in a position to actually go after them..... let's face it, Stone did almost succeed in his plan.... he did sucker in Clan Wolf, and it was only the fact that Alaric invited the Falcons that they managed to beat the Republic -- it took both clans and the Falcons insane brutality. And for those that read the novel, you will know that Stone, in the end, grabbed Alaric by the short hairs, and left him in a really bad position.

I suspect the Hell's Horses are going to be a much bigger threat than they have ever been.... with the Foxes, Ravens, and Bears taking up more power, as well, at least in the Inner Spere Clan circle ... although, there is a much more interesting question.. has their contact with the Inner Sphere corrupted their rigid clan thinking? Will they offer anything more than just token acknowledgement to Clan Wolf? If not, then Alaric has deep problems..... The Hell's Horses have already, pretty much, stated they don't recognize the Wolves as the Ilclan. If the other three do little more than provide lip service... Alaric is alone in a hostile universe. Even if they do deign to acknowledge or help Alaric, will it be enough? Or, will they continue playing their own games?

So, back to the WOB / Comstar -- who, right now is even going to notice a few more mercenary units working and gathering money. Ones that seem able to keep their designs up on repairs, etc. As long as they limit themselves to fairly easily acquired designs, they can probably operate easily in the shadows, without much, if any, scrutiny. And with the amount of clan tech that showed up randomly in the various factions and groups... it won't be hard for them to build up strong forces.

They could already be operating quite freely in the open, as everyone KNOWS that they are dead and gone.. just don't paint your mechs in parade colors..... Comstar and WOB note that they use appropriate camo....

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #74 on: 28 June 2022, 22:16:44 »
there is also an entire Thera class plus airwing, and a modified Newgrange out there, the thera having been sighted in 3095 in the deep periphery (though no one who saw it survived, so we only know about it as players)

the Word had a lot of hardware survive the Jihad, and just vanish. in addition to all the manpower they evacuated. and we know that there were blakist populations that survived as low technological movements.. any of which could easily be employed as cover by the more 'old school' Blakist order. plus during the blackout period after grey monday there were blakist pirate factions (like the White Hand, a pre-blackout pro-blakist terrorist movement, and the 'Kittery resistance', a neo-blakist anti-republic movement. both of which are described in ED:DA as having ties oto other [unnamed] neo-blakist groups, and hints of ties to larger sources of funding and resources)

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #75 on: 29 June 2022, 13:20:34 »
there is also an entire Thera class plus airwing, and a modified Newgrange out there, the thera having been sighted in 3095 in the deep periphery (though no one who saw it survived, so we only know about it as players)

the Word had a lot of hardware survive the Jihad, and just vanish. in addition to all the manpower they evacuated. and we know that there were blakist populations that survived as low technological movements.. any of which could easily be employed as cover by the more 'old school' Blakist order. plus during the blackout period after grey monday there were blakist pirate factions (like the White Hand, a pre-blackout pro-blakist terrorist movement, and the 'Kittery resistance', a neo-blakist anti-republic movement. both of which are described in ED:DA as having ties oto other [unnamed] neo-blakist groups, and hints of ties to larger sources of funding and resources)

The Word fleet that was unaccounted for counted several ships: a Thera carrier I think a Agamemnon battle cruiser and 3 escort ships. Plus several divisions (normal and Shadow) managed to flee. Where to? Most likely the remaining Hidden Five worlds or other secret bases. Funny thing I noticed reading Shattered Fortress: when Tucker pressed Stone for answers on how dropping the walls in 3149 would help them Stone said that Tucker should look from another direction. Now he might have meant that the Republic should be turned into something else but maybe he meant that there is something "out there" to help them.

Also on a side note: what did the "Blessed order" do to Tucker? In Shattered Fortress he is described as having several scars on his head and he himself said "I was a genius". Did Comstar try to pick his brain in the literal sense? I mean he is still a genius having managed to vanish from Stone's hospital room into Wolf occupied Terra without anyone managing to find him so farbut he might turn into a brilliant madman

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #76 on: 29 June 2022, 13:56:55 »
"If the MD neural implants let your brain see out, maybe they can let us see in . . . "

Sis ordered brain surgery, then burned out sections of his brain trying to 'find' the answer . . . probably really wanted to reduce him in status after having dealt with growing up next to a precious genius.  She gave off just a tad bit of resentment.
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #77 on: 29 June 2022, 16:03:38 »
"If the MD neural implants let your brain see out, maybe they can let us see in . . . "

Sis ordered brain surgery, then burned out sections of his brain trying to 'find' the answer . . . probably really wanted to reduce him in status after having dealt with growing up next to a precious genius.  She gave off just a tad bit of resentment.

Thanks. Holy shit what a mad woman. I know she distrusted her brother as he wasn't exactly thrilled being captured by Comstar and held in "exile" but his goes too far. So is his genious in regards to HPG's lost or did he lost "specific" brain functions?

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« Reply #78 on: 29 June 2022, 16:48:21 »
He lost most of his 'genius' (having to get pen & paper for calculations that came easily before), some memory, and even some motor function.
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #79 on: 29 June 2022, 19:25:11 »
"If the MD neural implants let your brain see out, maybe they can let us see in . . . "

Sis ordered brain surgery, then burned out sections of his brain trying to 'find' the answer . . . probably really wanted to reduce him in status after having dealt with growing up next to a precious genius.  She gave off just a tad bit of resentment.

Part of the "evil stupid" holdover from anything even possibly close to Blakist (Even though the Order wasn't Blakist). She didn't give off any bad vibe IIRC from the first novel with her in it, then all of a sudden in Bonfire of Worlds she suddenly hates him and gave the guy that could rebuild the network brain damage. Its all very weird.

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« Reply #80 on: 29 June 2022, 19:27:18 »
No, her corrupt nature was foreshadowed IIRC in the book she took him for ComStar in.  When ComStar had Tucker she dropped the mask and let envy shine.
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #81 on: 30 June 2022, 01:35:09 »
No, her corrupt nature was foreshadowed IIRC in the book she took him for ComStar in.  When ComStar had Tucker she dropped the mask and let envy shine.

That is correct. When they watched him in the lab through that one way mirror she states that Tucker has become adept at hiding things from her and that they might have to torture him to know what he thinks. Not sure if that is really jealousy but more a deep distrust of Tucker (which in a way was justified when Tucker managed to get a call for help out)But it also fits his family story when one of his ancestors had to fight against his own wife on New Earth (which was particular shilling when he ordered his artillery to bomb the Blakists into dust)

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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #82 on: 30 June 2022, 11:52:23 »
and i would guess that if they did give him brain damage, it was not the intent, but a side effect of him fighting against the methods they were using to try and force him to tell them what they want to know.
i doubt they'd use actual brain implants, but we know that you can do a lot of brain interfacing without implants using derived neurohelmet tech (the star league worked on sch off and on, which never quite panned out but did lead to their superior neurohelmets, and NAIS studies would produce the VRPP technology) and we know from Phelan's interrogation that the clans had advanced brain activity reading hardware using sensors attached to the body. so the Blessed Order could easily have some non-invasive enhanced interrogation systems to both break down a person's mental defenses and parse their surface thoughts. (heck we're getting closer to that IRL, Carnegie Mellon has had a lot of success using MRI's to read the thoughts of test subjects by analyzing brain activity, and similar projects in iirc europe have even managed to pull low-resolution images out of people's heads the same way. so with the more advanced tech and computers of BT, i have no doubt you could literally read people's surface thoughts.. and combine that with sensory deprivation and a VR environment to manipulate their perceptions and guide their choice of thoughts.. and we know that the WoB had that sort of tech from Arthur S-D's fate in "patriots and tyrants")


(honestly, he might have contrived to give himself brain damage to make such methods ineffective)
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #83 on: 30 June 2022, 12:12:30 »
Patricia did not care if Tucker was harmed, she hated him that much and it overrode her commitment to the mission.
She did have him go through surgery to get MD brain implants, particularly a socket IIRC.  What I gave earlier was a paraphrasing of her introduction to the idea when he woke up.
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #84 on: 30 June 2022, 15:21:05 »
BUT the one glimpse we get of true Blakists is not encouraging . . . they hid away on a world near the Republic, or maybe even the edge of the Republic I do not recall.  They settled on a abandoned continent with the apparent tacit permission of the planetary government, hid their dropships, and began farming . . . and had a factional civil war in the settlement apparently.  The Blakists, IIRC a Level III with support, took themselves back to the stone age . . . their descendants were pitiful savages by 3135ish.

I missed that one, where's it from?

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« Reply #85 on: 30 June 2022, 15:33:05 »
Wolf Hunters?
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« Reply #86 on: 01 July 2022, 01:29:56 »
There is also a mention in Ghost War where Victor reminices that the surviving known Blakists are now living without technology and have to look out for insects that eat their harvests. But those are the known. Final reckoning states that several divisons of troops were unaccounted for and that they were never found. And the IE sourcebook has a Blakist attack on a IE crew that uncovered an artifact which details the Minnesota tribe (this occurs a few years after the formation of the Republic). Maybe the Ilclan era will be brought down by those returning Blakists who want to fulfill the mission of the original Wolverine Clan (if that lore from the Blakist documents was even true)

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« Reply #87 on: 01 July 2022, 08:27:59 »
The MWDA LinkNet articles have a mention of a neo-Blakist group called the Cult of Apollyon that actually managed to deploy a 'mech, aero, and vehicle force at least once in 3136 while hunting the descendants of Brooklyn Stevens, described as using "a distinctive white paint scheme with red markings". The same article also mentions a group called the Broadsword Brotherhood, but does not detail them in any way.

Era Digest: Dark Age also gives a bit of details on the neo-Blakist groups Kittery Resistance and White Hand.
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Re: So... I'm guessing Comstar is basically finished:
« Reply #88 on: 01 July 2022, 22:30:16 »
The MWDA LinkNet articles have a mention of a neo-Blakist group called the Cult of Apollyon that actually managed to deploy a 'mech, aero, and vehicle force at least once in 3136 while hunting the descendants of Brooklyn Stevens, described as using "a distinctive white paint scheme with red markings". The same article also mentions a group called the Broadsword Brotherhood, but does not detail them in any way.

Era Digest: Dark Age also gives a bit of details on the neo-Blakist groups Kittery Resistance and White Hand.

you sure the white hand weren't actually the descendants of the fighting uruk-hai?

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« Reply #89 on: 01 July 2022, 23:18:46 »
It is in the PDF.
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