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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #630 on: 28 June 2022, 10:55:09 »
Has House Imarra fought 21st Centauri Lancers at some point?
Because Campaign Operations newest cover depicts such battle.

Sarna had nothing. It probably isn't IlClan era art because the Lancers headed to Tamar.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #631 on: 28 June 2022, 19:40:23 »
Sarna had nothing. It probably isn't IlClan era art because the Lancers headed to Tamar.
Huh, so it seems. Forgot that.
Of course, the Centauri Lancers could end up leaving Tamar service quickly...

Looks like before their Tamar contract, they seem to have been in the Lyran service, since 3130 at least. Post-Jihad, they were in FedSuns service, so art could take be from Victoria War but didn't find references to the Lancers in Wars of the Republic Era.

So, perhaps the art just depicts some Third Succession War battle/raid that happened to pit the Warrior House Imarra against the Lancers?

If so, a pity. Would've made a good basis for some force building. Still, gotta consider the House Imarra, the cover provides a good reference for painting.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #632 on: 29 June 2022, 04:32:34 »
So a definite no on polygamy, at least in terms of legal marriage.
I was thinking a one wife and one or more mistresses' kind of thing. Possibly in the same household to get those economic benefits and as "a service to the state."
Came to mind after I started reading about the CC and began coming up with a character bio if I ever played as them.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #633 on: 29 June 2022, 14:44:56 »
How would you do that? Roll got a Dependent twice.

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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #634 on: 29 June 2022, 15:10:22 »
Huh, so it seems. Forgot that.
Of course, the Centauri Lancers could end up leaving Tamar service quickly...

Looks like before their Tamar contract, they seem to have been in the Lyran service, since 3130 at least. Post-Jihad, they were in FedSuns service, so art could take be from Victoria War but didn't find references to the Lancers in Wars of the Republic Era.

So, perhaps the art just depicts some Third Succession War battle/raid that happened to pit the Warrior House Imarra against the Lancers?

If so, a pity. Would've made a good basis for some force building. Still, gotta consider the House Imarra, the cover provides a good reference for painting.

I meant to ask--how did you ID the 21st Centauri Lancers?
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #635 on: 29 June 2022, 15:13:41 »
So, perhaps the art just depicts some Third Succession War battle/raid that happened to pit the Warrior House Imarra against the Lancers?

The legends book mentions Romano Liao going on about a 5-year tear up and down marik space on her own personal war to avenge a dead lover- A perfect moment in the 3SW for such a fight...
(and a good shrapnel story, hmmm -pulls out note pad, takes notes...- ;-)

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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #636 on: 29 June 2022, 15:24:47 »
I meant to ask--how did you ID the 21st Centauri Lancers?
Troopers at the front, one has gray-black 21st Centauri Lancers emblem on their arm.
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At least i'm pretty sure it is 21st Centauri Lancers emblem, really couldn't figure what else it could be.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #637 on: 29 June 2022, 15:26:49 »
Zoomed in pic, pretty clear IMO.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #638 on: 08 July 2022, 03:09:06 »
Fellow Capellan players: how do you use the Goliath 3L? It feels like I'm missing something and that there must be some trick to using it well.


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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #639 on: 08 July 2022, 03:24:38 »
Fellow Capellan players: how do you use the Goliath 3L? It feels like I'm missing something and that there must be some trick to using it well.

Think of it as a larger Scorpion, using speed to maintain long range engagements, with MML7s defend against light hunters.

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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #640 on: 08 July 2022, 09:09:19 »
What else is in this unit? That depends on is it a Fire Support, Calvary or Anchor position. If I was running two or more, Calvary hit and run... As an anchor, use it to give the unit in question a solid rally point, but if it's for fire support, lay down mini- minefields and terrorize at range. Use hull down / prone positions and Level 1 terrain to give you more modifiers.

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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #641 on: 10 July 2022, 20:23:38 »
Fellow Capellan players: how do you use the Goliath 3L? It feels like I'm missing something and that there must be some trick to using it well.

I painted one for my Dynasty Guard lance and have used it a few times now. It's not optimized especially regarding heat. The lance is a stealth cavalry lance and its seems to do best when I use it as a brawler. It's kicks combined with pulse laser and SRM fire are pretty deadly. While closing rapidly use stealth and fire LRMs to stay heat neutral. If I get stuck at long range it kind of disappoints. You can sit still with stealth on and alternate ERPPC and one LRM rack.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #642 on: 26 July 2022, 12:42:06 »
Any ideas why Daoshen isn't allowing Warrior House Fujita to reform in the DA? FM:3145 had the House Master claim his warriors were ready, but the Chancellor refused to allocate any 'Mechs and refused to have them in CELESTIAL REWARD, prompting the Master to off himself. It's also said Daoshen holds them only slightly above the Lu Sann who almost got him captured/killed during the Crusades. What's the story there?
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #643 on: 26 July 2022, 14:28:41 »
I mean it's Daoshen, maybe they just didn't kiss his ass with eneugh intensity?

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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #644 on: 26 July 2022, 14:38:42 »
Any ideas why Daoshen isn't allowing Warrior House Fujita to reform in the DA? FM:3145 had the House Master claim his warriors were ready, but the Chancellor refused to allocate any 'Mechs and refused to have them in CELESTIAL REWARD, prompting the Master to off himself. It's also said Daoshen holds them only slightly above the Lu Sann who almost got him captured/killed during the Crusades. What's the story there?

My read of that same entry is that they were rebuilt by Daoshen during the Capellan Crusades and then destroyed fighting the Republic, and he holds them in disdain for their failure in that regard. Trying to hunt down direct confirmation at the moment.

EDIT: Nope, at least going by H:WotRE, they did not. Yeah, I guess Daoshen just doesn't like their faces or something.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #645 on: 08 August 2022, 16:09:04 »
Fellow Capellan players, do you mix "foreign" designs into your forces?

I've been thinking of using the Penetrator, Jagermech or Shadow Hawk 5D from the recaptured plant on Victoria. Or maybe some captured RotS hardware or clan Sea Fox designs that appear on our IlClan MUL.

What if any of these have you used and liked? Or disliked?
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #646 on: 08 August 2022, 16:33:39 »
If it is on MUL list, it is no longer "foreign"  ;D

Have to say i'm happy to see the Malice on CapCon list. I keep toying with the idea of expanding my Capellan force with a Dark Age lance. At least the Tian-Zong, Shen Yi, figure the Malice would fit in well. But i should get around assembling and painting my Cappies first perhaps.

As a general rule, Capellans have rarely said no to 'Mechs, foreign or not. For example the Enforcer 4R was in use for some time after the St. Ives War brought some to the CapCon. Though the Dark Age CapCon has plenty of native 'Mech production, that doesn't mean foreign 'Mechs should be wasted.
I'll note the CapCon spent effort to specifically capture some, like the Wolverine 10R factory. (6/9/6 Wolverine with Targeting Computer and Snub-Nose PPC, pretty good.)

So, go for it if it feels fun or good.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #647 on: 09 August 2022, 02:46:29 »
Fellow Capellan players, do you mix "foreign" designs into your forces?

I've been thinking of using the Penetrator, Jagermech or Shadow Hawk 5D from the recaptured plant on Victoria. Or maybe some captured RotS hardware or clan Sea Fox designs that appear on our IlClan MUL.

What if any of these have you used and liked? Or disliked?

where did it say the Shadowhawk penatrator and jagermech are produced on victoria?


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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #648 on: 09 August 2022, 04:59:31 »
where did it say the Shadowhawk penatrator and jagermech are produced on victoria?

FM: 3145, p. 29

Apparently the Haseks sold the ruined Shengli Arms plant to Kallon right after the Victoria War. The plant was retaken intact by the CCAF in 3144.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #649 on: 09 August 2022, 06:34:29 »
Looks like the JagerMech models would be JM7-F, JM7-C3BS, III JM6-D4, as these are available to CapCon in MUL.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4391/jagermech-jm7-f
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1673/jagermech-iii-jm6-d4
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1671/jagermech-jm7-c3bs

The Penetrator would be the 4D model, or possibly the as of yet unpublished 7D.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2465/penetrator-ptr-4d

The Shadow Hawk would probably be the 5D model as it is the sole D-type Shad for CapCon and appears in the Dark Age for them.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2905/shadow-hawk-shd-5d

Naturally some stuff in MUL could be salvage rather than factory production. But in case of the latter two, i'm pretty sure they're factory stuff.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #650 on: 09 August 2022, 14:06:23 »
I'm still curious if any of my fellow citizens have had a chance to run the Kontio in their forces?

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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #651 on: 09 August 2022, 18:12:07 »
I'm still curious if any of my fellow citizens have had a chance to run the Kontio in their forces?

Sadly not yet. What kind of lance would you build around such a specialist?
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #652 on: 09 August 2022, 18:26:08 »
I think of melee mechs as head hunter units. They go after LRM support while using some variety of ECM, C3, and TAG to deal with these lances as they often contain unit commanders. 

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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #653 on: 09 August 2022, 21:36:16 »
FM: 3145, p. 29

Apparently the Haseks sold the ruined Shengli Arms plant to Kallon right after the Victoria War. The plant was retaken intact by the CCAF in 3144.

conveniant how the fedsuns got seemingly nothing but ruined factories then they took it, but the cappies then got some favored mechs.  ::)

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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #654 on: 09 August 2022, 21:39:21 »
I think the ghost bears/wolves (the clan users) have an easier time of it as their extra mech gives an edge.

In theory I’d use a Kontio, a Ti Ts’ang, and some sniper cover. Maybe a Heuron Warrior to try and keep up.

Or for a Shadow Lance I’d use 2 Kontio, a Tian-Zong and a stealth sniper Cataphract (or two of either). To augment It I’d go with Pixiu tanks or Stealth Regulators. Two melee brawlers to force things out and then snipers to either pin in place or capitalize when they escape the brawlers. Pixiu or Regulator to shore up close/long range. I’d also say some Stealth Pos but they are too slow.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #655 on: 11 August 2022, 08:35:11 »
I think the ghost bears/wolves (the clan users) have an easier time of it as their extra mech gives an edge.

In theory I’d use a Kontio, a Ti Ts’ang, and some sniper cover. Maybe a Heuron Warrior to try and keep up.

Or for a Shadow Lance I’d use 2 Kontio, a Tian-Zong and a stealth sniper Cataphract (or two of either). To augment It I’d go with Pixiu tanks or Stealth Regulators. Two melee brawlers to force things out and then snipers to either pin in place or capitalize when they escape the brawlers. Pixiu or Regulator to shore up close/long range. I’d also say some Stealth Pos but they are too slow.

My experience with other melee mechs is that you need to have a few major threats rushing the enemy in order to split their fire enough to make contact. I'd probably pair the Kontio with a Ti Ts'ang and some big gun brawlers like Thunders and Lao Hus.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #656 on: 13 August 2022, 08:36:23 »
What is everyone's favorite TSEMP delivery platform?

I'm torn between:
Catapult II
Men Shen G
Raven II

But leaning towards the Men Shen especially in Alpha Strike games where it also deals a reliable 3 damage.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #657 on: 13 August 2022, 08:56:21 »
My favorite is no TSEMP. Stuns with no counter-play are not fun. And if a stun has poor odds like the Taser does, it ain't even fun for the user.

Style-wise, i'll pick the Catapult II, looks cool. And two TSEMPs make it easier to actually shut down enemy target or you can alternate them to fire a TSEMP every turn as TSEMPs have one turn cooldown.
Logically the Men Shen is an ideal platform being an OmniMech and TSEMP being a thing that is not always ideal or needed (as it causes interference in the firing unit).

No idea how TSEMP works in AS though.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #658 on: 13 August 2022, 13:57:24 »
My favorite is no TSEMP. Stuns with no counter-play are not fun. And if a stun has poor odds like the Taser does, it ain't even fun for the user.

No idea how TSEMP works in AS though.

In AS it's simplified in ways that make it easier to use with less downside.

I am mainly looking at it for tournament play where I wouldn't mind having every advantage even if there is a whiff of cheese to it.
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Re: The Art of War: Home of the Capellan Confederation!
« Reply #659 on: 13 August 2022, 14:57:10 »
The TSEMP's advanced level equipment though. Even if a tournament is using Dark Age's adjusted TL equipment, the TSEMP is not part of that. If BMM-tech in a game, the TSEMP is not included.
Jut something to consider.
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