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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #870 on: 19 November 2020, 10:01:56 »
The only good flea is a destroyed one. I am quite mystified they are still being produced. it is not like they didn't notice the failures because it has been in production for just a few years...

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #871 on: 19 November 2020, 10:24:26 »
Wolf Dragoon's wanted them. There had to be a reason.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #872 on: 19 November 2020, 10:26:45 »
Considering their original archer variant, the dragoons are not my prime example of mech designers.

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #873 on: 19 November 2020, 11:06:03 »
Fleas are better-suited to fighting against infantry than alongside them.

Even then they have problems as noted in this campaign to suppress a rebellion.

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #874 on: 19 November 2020, 11:34:22 »
the new -16 from TRO:SW with 9/14 speed is an acceptable flea (though, unfortunately for this exercise, goons exclusive)

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #875 on: 19 November 2020, 12:27:44 »
The only good flea is a destroyed one. I am quite mystified they are still being produced. it is not like they didn't notice the failures because it has been in production for just a few years...

Fleas are Bug Mechs, like Stingers and Wasps and such, and are used as such. They're good recon units (not the kind of tactical recon where you're just ahead of your main force looking for ambushes, but the picket recons that patrol an area of a few dozen square miles at a time, and make sure there isn't an enemy battalion moving through there to cut off your flank), they just remove the jump jets in favor of more guns, giving them an edge when they encounter enemy Bugs on the same mission. (The Flea-4 is more of a dedicated Bug Hunter. Different mission, I'm ignoring it for purposes of this post.)

Why use Bug Mechs for these missions, and not something more capable or a far cheaper vehicle?

First off, they're cheaper than other mechs, so you can send them out on these missions that are potentially uneventful, while saving your better mechs for missions you know will see combat, such as the aforementioned tactical recon, or raid/strike jobs. They're grunt mechs for grunt jobs. When you get intel nailing down the location of a munitions dump, you want your Jenners and Javelins and Cicadas ready to roll now, instead of waiting for them to get back from a patrol.

As for why mechs instead of vehicles? Couple reasons.

First, try as engineers might, there will always be terrain that a mech can move through that some vehicle or another cannot. Use your vees to scout out the easier terrain, and the mechs everywhere else.

Second, unlike vees, mechs are very hard to park or kill quickly. Unless we're shooting at the kind of mechs with only 1-3 armor points per location, or bring the kind of concentrated firepower that isn't normally found in these routine patrols, let's be honest - you're not gonna kill or disable that Stinger or Flea with only one or two salvos. Barring some really bad luck, it's gonna live long enough to report the contact and try to escape, whereas a scout tank or VTOL has a very real chance of being disabled on turn one.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #876 on: 19 November 2020, 13:12:24 »
Completely agree with what you just posted there, Weirdo.

The only thing I feel that the Flea is lacking is a modernized anti-battle armor variant. The -17 is arguably the best Flea for that job, and it's pretty outdated and has certain design elements that could be changed to make for a stronger design.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #877 on: 19 November 2020, 13:19:20 »
I would love to use the Flea, but it has neither the speed desired, nor the tank-parking armament required.

Fleas are better-suited to fighting against infantry than alongside them.

But they're so cheap and easy to produce they can serve as the "Distraction BattleMech".  Something to draw attention while your other forces do the work.  ;)

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #878 on: 19 November 2020, 13:27:31 »
Completely agree with what you just posted there, Weirdo.

The only thing I feel that the Flea is lacking is a modernized anti-battle armor variant. The -17 is arguably the best Flea for that job, and it's pretty outdated and has certain design elements that could be changed to make for a stronger design.

For a League Flea that is anti-BA?  In the 3140s if I was the designer I would be trying to get in touch with the Clan Protectorate . . . strapping a Clan Plasma Cannon on a Flea would not increase it's threat to a mech, but makes it a BA killer and 6/9 speed is still functional for that job.  Make it a variant of the LL equipped Flea . . . otherwise the normal answer is SRMs or ML batteries, which really makes it 'not a Flea' IMO.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #879 on: 19 November 2020, 13:42:46 »
For a League Flea that is anti-BA?  In the 3140s if I was the designer I would be trying to get in touch with the Clan Protectorate . . . strapping a Clan Plasma Cannon on a Flea would not increase it's threat to a mech, but makes it a BA killer and 6/9 speed is still functional for that job.  Make it a variant of the LL equipped Flea . . . otherwise the normal answer is SRMs or ML batteries, which really makes it 'not a Flea' IMO.

Yeah, that's exactly along the lines of what I was thinking.
Some sort of centerline plasma weapon supported by two smaller pulse lasers or something. It'd be pretty decent at its job.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #880 on: 19 November 2020, 17:42:03 »
But they're so cheap and easy to produce they can serve as the "Distraction BattleMech".  Something to draw attention while your other forces do the work.  ;)

Useful in other formations, but not what I am planning for this one. The idea is something that can keep pace with Maxims and support troops as soon as they're offloaded, and also dash ahead of an entrenched force to knock out IFVs before they get close enough to threaten the infantry.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #881 on: 20 November 2020, 22:23:33 »
Why not a Falcon?

Even if it's an older model, should be able to outpace most mechs, sure it's a 6-9, but there's an even faster one with MASC.

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #882 on: 20 November 2020, 22:34:23 »
Thoughts on the new Riflemen? I'm a bit fan of the 7N so far, it does everything a Rifleman should while being cheap and decently-ranged.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #883 on: 21 November 2020, 00:32:27 »
I like all of the new Rifleman variants, but I think my favorite for general purpose use is the 7N2.  It feels like a Blackjack C that hit the gym, and I'm in favor of this because it's the best Blackjack.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #884 on: 21 November 2020, 02:42:09 »
I'm rather taken with the RFL-7G myself, although I'm probably biased because I love SBGs. Though the 7N2 is a very nice setup as well with great complimentary weapon ranges
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #885 on: 21 November 2020, 14:55:55 »
I don't know about the new Riflemen, but I'm very excited about the new Marauder 7M...

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« Reply #886 on: 21 November 2020, 14:57:52 »
Looking forward to getting my KS minis and fielding a battalion with the DA configs of the classic 'Mechs ...
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #887 on: 21 November 2020, 15:02:47 »
I don't know about the new Riflemen, but I'm very excited about the new Marauder 7M...

It's a nice fluff unit, but damn is it ever expensive.
I think I'll be sticking with the -9M2, personally. The thing is damn near close to a perfect heavy in my book.
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« Reply #888 on: 21 November 2020, 15:05:29 »
+1 for the 9M2.

It's almost enough to make a conspiracy theory. The CGL people who designed the 9M knew about the forthcoming HPPCs, so made it and the Wolverine version with paired ERLLs, so that when they released details of the HPPC it was an instant swap. So in-universe, the 9M was only a placeholder for the forthcoming 9M2!

Which is, I know, completely ludicrous.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #889 on: 21 November 2020, 15:47:47 »
Which is, I know, completely ludicrous.

Enough to tear one's beard out in frustration,  eh? Hmm DA FWL lances... they should easy enough to make at least SH status right. But no, so far Republic only, even tho Gibson was one of their planets... surely the tech should be there, info wise somewhere archived.

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #890 on: 21 November 2020, 15:51:57 »
Superheavies are dumb and bad and I'm not upset that the FWL doesn't have one of their own boondoggles to parade around the cover of a book.
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« Reply #891 on: 21 November 2020, 16:14:21 »


Okay, it's not on the cover of a book.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #892 on: 21 November 2020, 18:28:30 »
I meant Mechs mostly, but the fact that I still don't know what that thing is even after seeing that picture is arguably a good thing.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #893 on: 21 November 2020, 21:53:55 »
Re-art of old school twin tracked Demolisher?

I was just wondering if they would have at least a low end 100+ ton SH either as an example or a civil job. Either Bi, Quad or even Tri.

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #895 on: 21 November 2020, 22:15:00 »
Oh yeah...

But it does kinda look like a redrawn Battleoids Demo!

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #896 on: 22 November 2020, 07:58:05 »
Edit: wrong thread
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