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It's 2750 and you use your connections in the Star League Court to build an SLDF Independent Regiment. The unit can be Royal or not, it doesn't matter. What designs do you choose to fill out your unit? The sky is the limit.

I would do something like this (for a non-Royal unit):

12x Panther
12x Phoenix Hawk
12x Griffin
12x Shadow Hawk
12x Wolverine
12x Lancelot
12x Crusader
12x Warhammer
12x Victor
4x Battlemaster (command lance)

12x Chaparral (artillery battery)
a couple flights of ASFs
add some infantry, Zephyrs and Kangas to taste

What do you think?

« Last Edit: 13 June 2022, 14:16:09 by Crow »
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #1 on: 13 June 2022, 15:22:53 »
Dragoon Regiment -

1st Battalion
12 Pillager
24 Highlander

2nd Battalion
12 Battlemaster
24 Thunderbolt

3rd Battalion
12 King Crab
24 Stalker


Hussar Regiment

1st Battalion
12 Black Knight
24 Warhammer

2nd Battalion
12 Flashman
24 Lynx

3rd Battalion
36 Phoenix Hawk

Light Horse Regiment

1st Battalion
9 Mongoose/3 Talon
24 Phoenix Hawk

2nd Battalion
12 Phoenix Hawk
24 Stinger

3rd Battalion
36 Nighthawk

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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #2 on: 13 June 2022, 15:32:08 »
Remember: The Independent regiments did NOT use homogenous lances or companies.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #3 on: 13 June 2022, 16:11:56 »
Remember: The Independent regiments did NOT use homogenous lances or companies.

I wish there could be homogeneous agreement on this point. I seem to recall this was mentioned in the SLDF Field Manual, but seems to have been discarded here and there in various discussions about the independent regiments.

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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #4 on: 13 June 2022, 16:53:43 »
Line units (Striker, Battle, Heavy Assault Regiments) used homogeneous companies or even battalions, in rare instances even complete regiments of a single design. Independent units (Light Horse, Hussar, Dragoon, CAAN Regiments) normally used homogeneous subunits as well. The SLDF occasionally formed "buddy companies" composed of 'Mechwarriors who had been friends in the academy but qualified in different designs, those companies were assigned to independent regiments (SLSB p.133).
The rare Gunslingers (regimental champions specializing in duels against Kurita ronin challengers) were outside the normal TO&E and could use whatever they preferred.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #5 on: 13 June 2022, 18:00:31 »
FM: SLDF is very clear: Independent regiments are just as mixed as House units, or any post-SL unit.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #6 on: 13 June 2022, 18:45:25 »
FM:SLDF, p. 14:
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Standard SLDF doctrine to combine ’Mech types in units not smaller than a company. This simplifies both unit logistics and company training methods, and encourages MechWarriors to think of themselves are part of their parent battalions and regiments.
Exceptions are sometimes made—most often in independent regiments—for graduates of the Gunslinger Program, and for ’Mech companies assigned to SAS duty. Because of the varied nature of their missions, SAS units cannot rely on brigade elements for support, and so they have mixed companies and —sometimes— mixed lances, much as the patchwork battalions and regiments of the member and territorial states.
SAS <> Independent regiments
I would be honestly interested in quotes showing the SLDF using less uniform organization, it really would make a planned campaign easier.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #7 on: 13 June 2022, 18:59:03 »
Sorry to have brought it up, but to be clear when I said discarded I meant here on the forums.

More TOE's please.

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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #8 on: 15 June 2022, 22:24:35 »
I need to read up more on the SLDF.

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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #9 on: 16 June 2022, 09:25:01 »
FM: SLDF is very clear: Independent regiments are just as mixed as House units, or any post-SL unit.
so they're not expected to be supportable in the field or useful for any sort of sustained operations??

The whole concept of 'independent regiment' is that it is built to conduct INDEPENDENT operations-that is, like a regimental quick-reaction-force or gap-filler.  Such units would have a GREATER need to maximize every kilogram and square centimeter of their logistics train, which having 35 designs in a 36 unit battalion really doesn't work to do.  (the actuators for  your sole Warhammer aren't going to do a damned bit of good for the wasp, spider, griffin, wolverine, etc. etc., if you're offloading 105mm autocannon ammo for a thunderbolt, it's going to do jack and shit in the 120mm autocannon mounted on your commander's Marauder, though maybe you've got enough strapping tape to make a gas check...)

Mixing a huge number of different designs into your 'independent' regiment means you've got a museum collection or a parade force that can't afford to deploy, esp. if half your designs use Starslab and the other half are using Ferro, you end up with a unit that needs ten times the logistical tail to be deployable.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #10 on: 16 June 2022, 10:03:36 »
There are plenty of modern units that can perform independent operations, no matter how poorly a logistician might think of them.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #11 on: 16 June 2022, 10:26:50 »

Elite Royal Dragon Regiment Circa Late Amaris Civil War

Command Company
Highlander -732b   x12

Reinforced Heavy Assault Battalion
Thunder Hawk -7X   x12
Pillager -3Z   x12
Emperor -6A   x12
King Crab -0000b   x12

Heavy Cavalry Battalion
Cestus -6Y   x12
Grasshopper -5H   x12
Lynx -9Q   x12

Heavy Cavalry Battalion
Thug -11Eb   x12
Guillotine -3N   x12
Starslayer -2C   x12

Support Battalion
Padilla Heavy Artillery Tank   x12
Phoenix Hawk LAM   x12
Vector VTOL w/ Jump Infantry Platoon x12

Aerospace Wing
Rapier -100b   x6
Hellcat II -213C   x6
Trident -3Tb   x6

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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #12 on: 16 June 2022, 10:40:51 »
In addition to the TO&E, according to FM:SLDF p. 13
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Unlike line regiments, independent ’Mech regiments contain a full complement of support troops (including, in many cases, armor and infantry). Most independent regiments also have integral DropShip and JumpShip assets to facilitate their redeployment.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #13 on: 16 June 2022, 11:04:11 »
There are plenty of modern units that can perform independent operations, no matter how poorly a logistician might think of them.

When you look at a modern MEU or other independent operations unit, the thing that should stand out, is that they make maximum use of their logistics with standardized weapons and equipment for each role in that unit.  Things like not mixing your Mirage F1s with your F-16s, or not trying to run Leopard 1s with your Abrams tanks, or not mixing your Lav-25s with Cadillac armored cars with the 75mm turret.

IOW you might have a single company of Tanks accompanying your battalion of Bradleys, but all the tanks are the same model, and you're not trying to support both Bradleys AND Strikers in the same company sized element.

The reason is right there; independent operations.  Meaning operating without the full logistics of the total army, aka self supporting with their organic support organization.

Mixes of Technicals aren't a mode you endeavor to emulate, it's more 'something that happens because you don't have a better option'.

This is the SLDF, not a scratch militia on the galactic equivalent of a third world movement's budget and availability.  The SLDF can afford to properly equip their forces with gear they can keep operating and running.

It's a "First world" force, not a third-world scratch force improvised from what you can pick up, find, or steal.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #14 on: 16 June 2022, 11:29:25 »
May I point to the quote from FM:SLDF, p.13 given in answer #6 once more? Mixed units at company and lower levels are limited to Gunslinger graduates and to companies assigned to SAS (spec ops) duty according to canon.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #15 on: 16 June 2022, 12:01:30 »
*whole lot of stuff about 20th-21st century forces*

Forgive me. When I said 'modern', I was referring to Battletech. So 31st-32nd century.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #16 on: 16 June 2022, 13:11:42 »
Forgive me. When I said 'modern', I was referring to Battletech. So 31st-32nd century.

in that case, you're looking at forces that are for the most part ad-hoc and doing the best they can with what can be scavenged, scrounged, or assembled in limited production 'factories' that share more than a little bit with Khyber Pass Gunsmithing.

aka "Third World conditions".

You know, because they don't really have a logistics framework or consistent, productive, centralized industrial base or procurement structure.  (like, well, a third world country.)

When the SLDF was a going concern, it was NOT like a third world country.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #17 on: 17 June 2022, 12:24:16 »
Just a general question: what type of independen regiment do you want to build? From what I understand there are sveral types: Dragoon, Hussar, Light Horse and CAAN. The type defines what Mechs you can use. If you use a Dragoon unit for example then heavies and Assault are the order of the day.

If you just wnat to build a regiment there are also the Line regiments which are Heavy Assault, Battle and Striker. But those aren't independent units. They are simple parts of brigades / divisions

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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #18 on: 17 June 2022, 16:06:09 »
Just a general question: what type of independen regiment do you want to build? From what I understand there are sveral types: Dragoon, Hussar, Light Horse and CAAN. The type defines what Mechs you can use. If you use a Dragoon unit for example then heavies and Assault are the order of the day.

If you just wnat to build a regiment there are also the Line regiments which are Heavy Assault, Battle and Striker. But those aren't independent units. They are simple parts of brigades / divisions

Now THAT is a good question.  An independent regiment, presumably built to fill a specific role, is going to be a very different cat from 'Wolf's Dragoons'.

A CAAN unit is probably going to be pretty heavy in non 'mech assets, with a reliance on either jumpy designs or LAMs, because that's a unit that's intended to be primarily involved in naval, littoral, and coastal combat-aka 'water specialists', but 'mechs have a crush depth, and aircraft carriers are a thing.

Here's a fun one: you don't need a division to pull military police duty, but having an MP/civil affairs/protester-mushing Regiment can be right handy.  (I expect a lot of Firestarters and other 'mechs optimized for terrorizing controlling civilians)
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #19 on: 17 June 2022, 20:57:42 »
honestly i would assume that they are deploying company's worth of specific designs, but probably deployed them in lance sized units. so you might have 12 Warhammers, 12 Flashmen, and 12 Lancelots in the regiment, but they'd be deployed as three battle companies with one lance of each type of mech, with one battle company assigned to each battalion.

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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #20 on: 20 June 2022, 10:08:24 »
Remember: The Independent regiments did NOT use homogenous lances or companies.

That's not my interpretation:

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Standard SLDF doctrine to combine ’Mech types in units not smaller than a company. This simplifies both unit logistics and company training methods, and encourages MechWarriors to think of themselves are part of their parent battalions and regiments. Exceptions are sometimes made—most often in independent regiments—for graduates of the Gunslinger Program, and for ’Mech companies assigned to SAS duty. Because of the varied nature of their missions, SAS units cannot rely on brigade elements for support, and so they have mixed companies and—sometimes— mixed lances, much as the patchwork battalions and regiments of the member and territorial states.

-FM: SLDF p.14

FM: SLDF makes it sound like companies composed of mixed designs are common in independent regiments, but not the rule.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #21 on: 19 July 2022, 07:18:57 »
There's probably all kinds of things wrong with this

123 Royal Counter-insurgency Regiment.

Regimental Command Company
Cyclops 10-Z  x2 (Intelligence Officers)
Battlemaster -1Gbc  x2  (CO and XO)
Battlemaster -1Gb x8

Battle Battalion

Command Lance
Flashman -8K x4

Fire Company
Excalibur -B2b   x12

Battle Company
Spartan -N2   x12      Because they’re one of the few mechs that have TAG, and the only heavy that does in era

Cavalry Company     
Lancelot -01   x12          Medium lasers changed to a mix of TAG or SPL for anti-infanty utility. Quartermaster keeps telling them to change it to stock, they'll get around to it one of these decades


Hunter Battalion

Command Lance (The actual commander is in the Scout-Supression company; these guys are basically a specops element)
Exterminator -4C   x4

Scout-Sniper Company
Hussar -200-Db   x12

Scout Company
Hermes -1Sb   x12

Scout-Suppression Company
Exterminator -4Db   x12


Patrol Battalion (AKA the FUN battalion)

Command Lance   (While on patrol each lance is usually accompanied by a Pixie to provide ECM cover)
Phoenix Hawk -2 x4

Light Company
Nighthawk -2Q   x12

Battle Company
Griffin -2N x12          Default ammo load on one ton of SRMs is Fragmentation

Anvil Company
Starslayer x12         Default ammo load on the SRMs is Fragmentation

Transport Element
Overlord x2
Union x4
Leopard x3

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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #22 on: 22 July 2022, 03:08:35 »
For transport: wouldn't Lee or Colossus dropships make more sense especially since it's a Royal command? (of course that depends on the timeline)

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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #23 on: 30 July 2022, 23:54:15 »
FM: SLDF is very clear: Independent regiments are just as mixed as House units, or any post-SL unit.

Can you provide a quote?

Mixed Lances are "Possible" but are still rare in both SLDF books I have & be the quotes above.
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Re: What designs would you use in an SLDF Independent Regiment?
« Reply #24 on: 30 July 2022, 23:57:30 »
For transport: wouldn't Lee or Colossus dropships make more sense especially since it's a Royal command? (of course that depends on the timeline)

The Colossus was designed to work w/ RCTs.

RCTs include Independent Regiments.

I find 1 Colossus is a good for each Independent Regiment to more than cover the "Attached Companies" of supporting Infantry/Tanks.

Standard Overlord/Union/Leopard work for the rest of the Regiment's mechs though.
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