Author Topic: A New Weapon of War  (Read 12347 times)

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #60 on: 19 May 2023, 07:43:01 »
By contrast there is no doubt that converting an M5 to an M-5.1 is a C level conversion because it removes the NAC-25s, the broadside AR-10s, removes the Self Destruct, adds AMS, and adds armor.  Since the Self Destruct is not listed as an option in the table either it is not clear how long that takes but my napkin math says it is possible to do that conversion in about a year, maybe a year and a half.  I'm going to keep with 2.5-3 to reflect a bottleneck of producing/acquiring enough Ferro Carbide for Helena's support industries.

Daryk

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 36797
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #61 on: 19 May 2023, 16:33:22 »
Sorry Gio!  I thought I said which book they were in...  :-\

Production bottlenecks make perfect sense to me!  :thumbsup:

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #62 on: 20 May 2023, 11:22:14 »
And for the other Essex II that Cannonshop encouraged me to allow Helena to capture during the Jihad.

How much of this is Blakist and how much is Truk just having a go at being an architect I will leave up to people to decide.  That and I'm too lazy to change MekLabs' settings to put the proper ATACs in there.

BEING SUPER CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT THE SAME ESSEX II UNDER GOING SDS CONVERSION AT PORT ORPHAN


Essex II Destroyer Los Alamos
Mass: 620,000 tons
Use: Destroyer
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 3084
Mass: 620,000
Battle Value: 83,304
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-F
Cost: 11,448,322,000 C-bills

Dimensions
    Length: 615 m

Fuel: 6,000 tons (15,000)
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 14
Heat Sinks: 1129 (2258)
Structural Integrity: 60

Armor
    Nose: 108
    Fore Sides: 104/104
    Aft Sides: 104/104
    Aft: 107

Cargo
    Bay 1:  ARTS Fighter (36)       12 Doors 
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (4)         2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (58833.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    1,440 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (120 tons),
    240 rounds of NAC/20 ammunition (96 tons),
    30 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (900 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 0
Grav Decks: 1 (55 m)
Escape Pods: 16
Life Boats: 16
Crew:  40 officers, 151 enlisted/non-rated, 39 gunners, 20 bay personnel, 20 marines      

Notes: Equipped with
    1 Mobile Hyperpulse Generators (Mobile HPG)
    1 Direct Tactical Analysis Control (DTAC) System (36 drones)
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large)
   744 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (120 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                120  40(400) 40(400) 40(400)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
FRS/FLS (193 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (60 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
3 Anti-Missile System                       3    1(9)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (360 shots)
RBS/LBS (374 Heat)
2 Naval Laser 35                           104  7(70)   7(70)   7(70)     0(0)   Capital Laser
2 Naval PPC (Medium)                       270  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital PPC
ARS/ALS (377 Heat)
2 Naval Laser 35                           104  7(70)   7(70)   7(70)     0(0)   Capital Laser
2 Naval PPC (Medium)                       270  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital PPC
3 Anti-Missile System                       3    1(9)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (360 shots)
Aft (250 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)



-edit-
Small correction to the number of drones that can be controlled via ATACs.  Yes I'm still too lazy to put the proper ATACs on there.  So you're all stuck with DTACs.
« Last Edit: 27 May 2023, 12:44:06 by monbvol »

idea weenie

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 4842
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #63 on: 20 May 2023, 12:58:46 »
Okay interesting question time.

So you know that Essex II I put up there?  My best estimation is to even doing that would take just shy of three years.

Armor 631 points of Ferro Carbide takes 1262 hours.
ASF bays adding 6 would take 1008.
No SDS listed so I figure fair would be Avionics and CIC for a combined 152 hours.

Sub-total before refit modifier:

2422 hours.

My best guess is this would be a F level refit so multiply that by 10.

So 24220 hours.  Or 33 months, 19 days, and 4 hours.

For larger hulls, does it allow for parallel refits?

I.e. one tech crew installing the ASF Bays, a second crew installing the armor, a third tech crew working on the SDS hardware?

This would be a refit time of 1262 hours from the armor, assuming you can't install the armor in multiple locations at the same time.  Since the Essex II you listed is ~600 meters long, I'd assume you can have more than one team refitting the armor.

Does Campaign Operations allow for multiple teams to work on Large Spacecraft?

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #64 on: 20 May 2023, 13:08:25 »
To be honest I don't think the Devs really thought about it too hard.

Judging off how far simpler Blue Water ships during the interwar periods could take years to complete those refits/conversions I'd actually almost say the times I came up with are pretty accurate for optimum number of teams working in parallel.

Daryk

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 36797
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #65 on: 20 May 2023, 15:32:14 »
For truly complex refits, you might consider tacking on the Mothballs time (both going in and coming out).

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #66 on: 27 May 2023, 09:41:09 »
Made a correction to Los Alamos but it is making me think about why I even changed to ARTs bays or even have Drone Controllers on there.

While I ponder some of the rules and if I really need that here have a better SLS Phoenix.


Bonaventure Corvette SLS Phoenix
Mass: 240,000 tons
Use: Corvette
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Introduced: 2712
Mass: 240,000
Battle Value: 10,249
Tech Rating/Availability: F/F-X-X-X
Cost: 9,440,216,000 C-bills

Dimensions
    Length: 486 meters

Fuel: 6,500 tons (32,500)
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Sail Integrity: 4
KF Drive Integrity: 7
Heat Sinks: 384 (768)
Structural Integrity: 36

Armor
    Nose: 33
    Fore Sides: 33/33
    Aft Sides: 33/33
    Aft: 31

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Small Craft (2)         1 Door   
    Bay 2:  ARTS Fighter (12)       6 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (25633.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    480 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (4 tons),
    160 rounds of LB 10-X Cluster ammunition (16 tons),
    112 rounds of LRM 15 Artemis-capable ammunition (14 tons),
    40 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (1,200 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 0
Grav Decks: 1 (50 m)
Escape Pods: 17
Life Boats: 10
Crew:  21 officers, 94 enlisted/non-rated, 6 gunners, 10 bay personnel      

Notes: Equipped with
    1 Mobile Hyperpulse Generators (Mobile HPG)
    1 SDS (Caspar) Drone Control System (Improved)
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large)
   172 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (10 Heat)
2 LRM 15+Artemis IV                        10   2(18)   2(18)   2(18)     0(0)   LRM         
    LRM 15 Artemis-capable Ammo (56 shots)
FRS/FLS (99 Heat)
1 Naval Laser 55                           85   6(55)   6(55)   6(55)    6(55)   Capital Laser
1 ER Large Laser                           12    1(8 )    1(8 )    1(8 )     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (120 shots)
RBS/LBS (14 Heat)
2 LB 10-X AC                                4   2(20)   2(20)    0(0)     0(0)   LBX AC     
    LB 10-X Cluster Ammo (80 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (20 shots)
ARS/ALS (14 Heat)
1 ER Large Laser                           12    1(8 )    1(8 )    1(8 )     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (120 shots)
Aft (10 Heat)
2 LRM 15+Artemis IV                        10   2(18)   2(18)   2(18)     0(0)   LRM         
    LRM 15 Artemis-capable Ammo (56 shots)

« Last Edit: 27 May 2023, 12:44:43 by monbvol »

Daryk

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 36797
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #67 on: 27 May 2023, 09:42:01 »
Code tags will take care of those random emojis...  8)

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #68 on: 27 May 2023, 09:48:20 »
I still prefer [pre ] to [code ].  :P
« Last Edit: 27 May 2023, 10:18:30 by monbvol »

Daryk

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 36797
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #69 on: 27 May 2023, 10:11:35 »
That works too!  :)

idea weenie

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 4842
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #70 on: 27 May 2023, 12:30:39 »
I still prefer [pre ] to [code ].  :P
For me those 'pre' tags make the font size smaller and harder to read, and as a result I wind up skipping post that use them.  I've attached a small sample of what I see whenever they are used.

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #71 on: 27 May 2023, 12:36:31 »
Huh.  Odd.  I do see it as a bit smaller but not that much.  Code always winds up having issues with window scrolling for me so I've always preffered pre to code.

Daryk

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 36797
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #72 on: 27 May 2023, 12:40:45 »
SSW, at least, gives you text that shouldn't require side scrolling.

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #73 on: 27 May 2023, 12:46:37 »
I also get weird issues with vertical scrolling or I'd be a lot easier to convince to go to code over pre.

But I went through and added font size tags to help with the shrinking font issue to everything that needed it.

Daryk

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 36797
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #74 on: 27 May 2023, 13:09:59 »
Ah, yes... code tags do add another layer of vertical scrolling.  Whatever works for you, brother!  :thumbsup:

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #75 on: 27 May 2023, 21:08:49 »
So Cannonshop got me to remember something that I sort of forgot about.  During the Battle of Lazarus there was another AI involved that actually got de-hulled engaging a modified Word of Blake Congress.

So Los Alamos may be getting one more refit and we're now also spitballing ideas of what to do with said Congress.  So far I've already decided my calling it out as modified means it has a WoB installed LFB.  So it'll be nice and spicey by the time I'm done with it.

But stats need to wait a bit.

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #76 on: 27 May 2023, 23:58:00 »
So made a slight update to the status of the fleet as of 3110.

But time for an update for as of 3119:

Status of the Fleet
3119
Destroyer Division 1

Command Vessel:

SLS Billie Hoel-Converted to M-5.2C standard due to battle damage sustained in 3062 and SLEP.

SLS Victoria Cameron M-5.1

SLS Joana Clarice Butler Converted to M-5.1 as part of SLEP

SLS Ottillie Lee Dennis Converted to M-5.1 due to battle damage sustained in 3062 and as part of SLEP

SLS Lucy Heerman Converted to M-5.2 due to battle damage sustained in 3062 and as part of SLEP

SLS Joana Vincente Johnston Maintained original M5 configuration until hull destruction at Battle of Sevon 5-now in OWS Duplicitous Bonaventure Class Corvette

SLS Regina Marbury Raymond Maintained original M5 configuration until hull destruction at Battle of Sevon 5-now in OWS Illusive Bonaventure Class Corvette

SLS Samantha Booker Roberts Converted to M5.1 as part of SLEP

Destroyer Division 2

Command Vessel

SLS Haida Converted to M-5.1 as part of SLEP

SLS Cossack Converted to M-5.1 as part of SLEP-Hull destroyed in Second Battle of Lutyens 68-28 3080 now in SLS David R Ray modified Lola III Destroyer

SLS Sikh Converted to M-5.1 as part of SLEP-Hull destroyed  in Second Battle of Lutyens 68-28 3080 now in OWS Capricous Bonaventure Class Corvette

SLS Zulu Converted to M-5.1 as part of SLEP

SLS Maori Converted to M-5.1 as part of SLEP

SLS Piorun Converted to M-5.3 as part of SLEP

SLS Tartar Converted to M-5.1 as part of SLEP

SLS Mashona Converted to M-5.1 as part of SLEP

Special Operations Group

Command vessel

SLS Juanita Pujol Garcia Late D model built converted to M-5.1 spec during construction in 2712

SLS Stacey Cameron Roberts Converted to M-5.2 as part of SLEP in 3072

Reserve Formation

Command Vessel

SLS Tabarinth-M5C-Converted to M-5.2C as part of SLEP

SLS Phoenix Originally Bonaventure class Corvette SLS Foxglove converted to accept M5 7775551’s salvaged systems and re-commissioned as SLS Phoenix in 3110

Originally SLS Stephan Decataur Farragut class Battleship.  Word of Blake began conversion to accept Caspar systems conversion finished by Star League in Exile but still awaiting a personality matrix recovered from Lutyens 68-28  Sikh and Cossack squabled over it so neither got it as punishment.  Automation systems in place but awaiting personality core and as such operating on human crew only.

SLS Misby Bonaventure  class Corvette currently also assigned to recon/garrison tasks around New Lazarus

SLS Hokaido Maru Tracker class captured as spoils of the Jihad now deployed around New Lazarus working COIN Ops under the guise of merchant to monitor for indications of location of New Lazarus being discovered

SLS Strangiata Tracker class captured as spoils of the Jihad now deployed around New Lazarus working COIN Ops under the guise of merchant to monitor for indications of location of New Lazarus being discovered

SLS Betty Laffey originally SLS Los Alamos Essex II class recovered from extreme outer system Liberty base, held in mothballs/refit brought back into service using recovered AI core of TQF-M5C011 whose hull was destroyed at the Battle of Lazarus in 3062

SLS Olivia Hazard Perry originally WoBS Divine Truth Word of Blake Modified Congress Class Frigate(for all intents and purposes a Royal version refit) recovered from Battle site at Lazarus system and brought back into service with AI core recovered from wreckage of TQF-M5D103 whose hull had been destroyed at the Battle of Lazarus in 3062
« Last Edit: 28 May 2023, 02:01:45 by monbvol »

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #77 on: 28 May 2023, 00:04:21 »
Okay final form of the former SLS Los Alamos now SLS Betty Laffey I think.  One of these times I'll really mean it.

Essex II Destroyer Betty Laffey
Mass: 620,000 tons
Use: Destroyer
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Introduced: 3084
Mass: 620,000
Battle Value: 75,899
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-X
Cost: 15,168,722,000 C-bills

Dimensions
    Length: 615 m

Fuel: 6,000 tons (15,000)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 14
Heat Sinks: 1129 (2258)
Structural Integrity: 60

Armor
    Nose: 108
    Fore Sides: 104/104
    Aft Sides: 104/104
    Aft: 107

Cargo
    Bay 1:  ARTS Fighter (36)       12 Doors 
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (4)         2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (57960.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    1,440 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (120 tons),
    240 rounds of NAC/20 ammunition (96 tons),
    30 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (900 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 0
Grav Decks: 1 (55 m)
Escape Pods: 16
Life Boats: 16
Crew:  40 officers, 151 enlisted/non-rated, 39 gunners, 20 bay personnel, 20 marines      

Notes: Equipped with
    1 Mobile Hyperpulse Generators (Mobile HPG)
    1 SDS (Caspar) Drone Control System (Improved)
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large)
   744 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (120 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                120  40(400) 40(400) 40(400)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
FRS/FLS (193 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (60 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
3 Anti-Missile System                       3    1(9)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (360 shots)
RBS/LBS (374 Heat)
2 Naval Laser 35                           104  7(70)   7(70)   7(70)     0(0)   Capital Laser
2 Naval PPC (Medium)                       270  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital PPC
ARS/ALS (377 Heat)
2 Naval Laser 35                           104  7(70)   7(70)   7(70)     0(0)   Capital Laser
2 Naval PPC (Medium)                       270  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital PPC
3 Anti-Missile System                       3    1(9)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (360 shots)
Aft (250 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)


monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #78 on: 28 May 2023, 00:31:51 »
Justifying as pulling some other stuff from Caspar wrecks from various battles.

Congress Frigate Olivia Hazard Perry
Mass: 760,000 tons
Use: Convoy Escort/Reconnaissance
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Introduced: 3062
Mass: 760,000
Battle Value: 61,480
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-X
Cost: 18,875,504,000 C-bills

Dimensions
    Length: 703 m

Fuel: 5,000 tons (12,500)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 16
Heat Sinks: 1604 (3208)
Structural Integrity: 75

Armor
    Nose: 164
    Fore Sides: 163/163
    Aft Sides: 153/153
    Aft: 164

Cargo
    Bay 1:  ARTS Fighter (6)        3 Doors   
    Bay 2:  ARTS Small Craft (4)    2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (72532.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    420 rounds of NAC/10 ammunition (84 tons),
    480 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (4 tons),
    10 rounds of Killer Whale ammunition (500 tons),
    20 rounds of White Shark ammunition (800 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 1 (90 m)
Escape Pods: 18
Life Boats: 18
Crew:  43 officers, 192 enlisted/non-rated, 25 gunners, 20 bay personnel, 20 marines      

Notes: Equipped with
    1 Mobile Hyperpulse Generators (Mobile HPG)
    1 SDS (Caspar) Drone Control System (Improved)
    1 Lithium-Fusion Battery
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large)
   1,140 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (20 Heat)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  20   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (10 shots)
FRS/FLS (512 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (70 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (120 shots)
2 Naval PPC (Heavy)                        450  30(300) 30(300) 30(300) 30(300)  Capital PPC
RBS/LBS (91 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (70 shots)
2 Large Laser                              16   2(16)   2(16)    0(0)     0(0)   Laser       
1 Capital Missile Launcher (White Shark)   15   3(30)   3(30)   3(30)    3(30)   Capital Missile
    White Shark Ammo (10 shots)
ARS/ALS (528 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (70 shots)
2 Large Laser                              16   2(16)   2(16)    0(0)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (120 shots)
2 Naval PPC (Heavy)                        450  30(300) 30(300) 30(300) 30(300)  Capital PPC
« Last Edit: 28 May 2023, 00:45:00 by monbvol »

Daryk

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 36797
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #79 on: 28 May 2023, 06:31:36 »
Hmmm... any chance those NL/35s on the Essex could (or will eventually) be refitted to 45s? ???

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #80 on: 28 May 2023, 08:28:04 »
No good source/salvage for 45s.  I can go all the way to 55s from M5 salvage.

Daryk

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 36797
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #81 on: 28 May 2023, 08:31:37 »
That would work too... it's the Extreme Range Bracket you gain.

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #82 on: 28 May 2023, 09:01:34 »
Yeah some of the design decisions for a lot of Star League era ships are just baffling.  So if I'm going to do that I might as well also say they salvaged some HNPPCs and figured out better mounting points for half of them in the process and straight swapped for the MNPPCs.  That is all the more I think I dare take from the cargo hold now though.

Essex II Destroyer Betty Laffey
Mass: 620,000 tons
Use: Destroyer
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Introduced: 3084
Mass: 620,000
Battle Value: 83,137
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-X
Cost: 15,285,482,000 C-bills

Dimensions
    Length: 615 m

Fuel: 6,000 tons (15,000)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 14
Heat Sinks: 2129 (4258)
Structural Integrity: 60

Armor
    Nose: 108
    Fore Sides: 104/104
    Aft Sides: 104/104
    Aft: 107

Cargo
    Bay 1:  ARTS Fighter (36)       12 Doors 
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (4)         2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (44160.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    1,440 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (120 tons),
    240 rounds of NAC/20 ammunition (96 tons),
    30 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (900 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 0
Grav Decks: 1 (55 m)
Escape Pods: 16
Life Boats: 16
Crew:  40 officers, 151 enlisted/non-rated, 39 gunners, 20 bay personnel, 20 marines      

Notes: Equipped with
    1 Mobile Hyperpulse Generators (Mobile HPG)
    1 SDS (Caspar) Drone Control System (Improved)
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large)
   744 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (120 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                120  40(400) 40(400) 40(400)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
FRS/FLS (813 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (60 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
3 Anti-Missile System                       3    1(9)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (360 shots)
2 Naval Laser 55                           170  11(110) 11(110) 11(110) 11(110)  Capital Laser
2 Naval PPC (Heavy)                        450  30(300) 30(300) 30(300) 30(300)  Capital PPC
ARS/ALS (623 Heat)
2 Naval Laser 55                           170  11(110) 11(110) 11(110) 11(110)  Capital Laser
2 Naval PPC (Heavy)                        450  30(300) 30(300) 30(300) 30(300)  Capital PPC
3 Anti-Missile System                       3    1(9)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (360 shots)
Aft (250 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #83 on: 28 May 2023, 09:09:40 »
And looks like I forgot to actually put the LFB I wanted on Olivia and I also took the opportunity to make the Large Lasers ER models and also give better mounting points for half of them.

Congress Frigate Olivia Hazard Perry
Mass: 760,000 tons
Use: Convoy Escort/Reconnaissance
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Introduced: 3062
Mass: 760,000
Battle Value: 61,374
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-X
Cost: 24,879,104,000 C-bills

Dimensions
    Length: 703 m

Fuel: 5,000 tons (12,500)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 16
Heat Sinks: 1604 (3208)
Structural Integrity: 75

Armor
    Nose: 164
    Fore Sides: 163/163
    Aft Sides: 153/153
    Aft: 164

Cargo
    Bay 1:  ARTS Fighter (6)        3 Doors   
    Bay 2:  ARTS Small Craft (4)    2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (64932.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    420 rounds of NAC/10 ammunition (84 tons),
    480 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (40 tons),
    10 rounds of Killer Whale ammunition (500 tons),
    20 rounds of White Shark ammunition (800 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 1 (90 m)
Escape Pods: 18
Life Boats: 18
Crew:  43 officers, 192 enlisted/non-rated, 25 gunners, 20 bay personnel, 20 marines      

Notes: Equipped with
    lithium-fusion battery system
    1 Mobile Hyperpulse Generators (Mobile HPG)
    1 SDS (Caspar) Drone Control System (Improved)
    1 Lithium-Fusion Battery
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large)
   1,140 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (20 Heat)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  20   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (10 shots)
FRS/FLS (536 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (70 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (120 shots)
2 Naval PPC (Heavy)                        450  30(300) 30(300) 30(300) 30(300)  Capital PPC
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
RBS/LBS (75 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (70 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (White Shark)   15   3(30)   3(30)   3(30)    3(30)   Capital Missile
    White Shark Ammo (10 shots)
ARS/ALS (536 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (70 shots)
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (120 shots)
2 Naval PPC (Heavy)                        450  30(300) 30(300) 30(300) 30(300)  Capital PPC

Daryk

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 36797
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #84 on: 28 May 2023, 09:17:41 »
The ER Larges will be easily swapped for clanner models eventually, I'm sure...  :thumbsup:

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #85 on: 28 May 2023, 09:18:54 »
And now for Her Royal Majesty's Hammer:

Farragut Battleship SLS Stephan Decatuer
Mass: 1,680,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Introduced: 2711
Mass: 1,680,000
Battle Value: 270,927
Tech Rating/Availability: F/F-X-X-X
Cost: 34,628,567,000 C-bills

Fuel: 5,000 tons (12,500)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 7
KF Drive Integrity: 33
Heat Sinks: 2905 (5810)
Structural Integrity: 95

Armor
    Nose: 410
    Fore Sides: 450/450
    Aft Sides: 450/450
    Aft: 403

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Small Craft (6)         2 Doors   
    Bay 2:  ARTS Fighter (18)       9 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (33739.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    480 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (40 tons),
    240 rounds of NAC/25 ammunition (144 tons),
    220 rounds of Killer Whale ammunition (11,000 tons),
    220 rounds of Heavy N-Gauss ammunition (110 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 2 (45 m, 150 m)
Escape Pods: 75
Life Boats: 50
Crew:  81 officers, 322 enlisted/non-rated, 80 gunners, 30 bay personnel, 150 marines      

Notes: Equipped with
    1 Mobile Hyperpulse Generators (Mobile HPG)
    1 SDS (Caspar) Drone Control System (Improved)
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large)
   3,191.5 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (172 Heat)
2 Naval Gauss (Heavy)                      36   60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital Gauss
    Heavy N-Gauss Ammo (40 shots)
2 Naval Gauss (Heavy)                      36   60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital Gauss
    Heavy N-Gauss Ammo (40 shots)
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  40   8(80)   8(80)   8(80)    8(80)   Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (20 shots)
5 ER Large Laser                           60   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)     0(0)   Laser       
FRS/FLS (1,003 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/25)                170  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/25 Ammo (40 shots)
2 Naval Gauss (Heavy)                      36   60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital Gauss
    Heavy N-Gauss Ammo (20 shots)
3 Naval PPC (Heavy)                        675  45(450) 45(450) 45(450) 45(450)  Capital PPC
3 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  60   12(120) 12(120) 12(120) 12(120)  Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (30 shots)
5 ER Large Laser                           60   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (120 shots)
RBS/LBS (1,001 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/25)                170  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/25 Ammo (40 shots)
2 Naval Gauss (Heavy)                      36   60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital Gauss
    Heavy N-Gauss Ammo (20 shots)
3 Naval PPC (Heavy)                        675  45(450) 45(450) 45(450) 45(450)  Capital PPC
3 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  60   12(120) 12(120) 12(120) 12(120)  Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (30 shots)
5 ER Large Laser                           60   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)     0(0)   Laser       
ARS/ALS (328 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/25)                170  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/25 Ammo (20 shots)
2 Naval Gauss (Heavy)                      36   60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital Gauss
    Heavy N-Gauss Ammo (20 shots)
3 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  60   12(120) 12(120) 12(120) 12(120)  Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (30 shots)
5 ER Large Laser                           60   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (120 shots)
Aft (981 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/25)                170  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/25 Ammo (40 shots)
2 Naval Gauss (Heavy)                      36   60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital Gauss
    Heavy N-Gauss Ammo (20 shots)
3 Naval PPC (Heavy)                        675  45(450) 45(450) 45(450) 45(450)  Capital PPC
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  40   8(80)   8(80)   8(80)    8(80)   Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (20 shots)
5 ER Large Laser                           60   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)     0(0)   Laser       


Standard maxing armor for the SI and AMS package to improve survival in a post SLDF environment.  Traded the NAC-40s for the NAC-25s on a one for one basis pulled from the M5 conversions to both claw back some cargo space while giving it a bit more range without de-fanging it completely.  ERed the Large Laser batteries since you can get those pretty readily via merc markets.  Halved then ARTs the Fighter Bays.  This is still a pretty mean ship of the line.  Pray it does not ring your bell spreading Liberty.

Daryk

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 36797
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #86 on: 28 May 2023, 09:21:36 »
Nice, but I think that's "Stephen", not "Stephan"... :)

And the clanner conversion for these ER Large batteries will gain another point of Capital grade damage!  :thumbsup:

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #87 on: 28 May 2023, 09:25:52 »
The ER Larges will be easily swapped for clanner models eventually, I'm sure...  :thumbsup:

Nice, but I think that's "Stephen", not "Stephan"... :)

And the clanner conversion for these ER Large batteries will gain another point of Capital grade damage!  :thumbsup:

Hmmm might be worth it on the Stephen Decatuer because those batteries are big enough the weight savings would allow it to add another gun to each bay and some more heatsinks to cover the heat burden but the rest while it would be an upgrade not sure it is worth the bother with how narrow the gap between standard Extreme and standard Long Range actually is.

And yeah that ship is eventually getting renamed properly to something I do not misspell so often.

Daryk

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 36797
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #88 on: 28 May 2023, 09:28:57 »
Aside from being in the Navy, my sister lives in Decatur Illinois, so I rarely get it wrong... :)

When you're shooting at incoming ASFs armed with nukes, every hex of range counts!

monbvol

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 13240
  • I said don't look!
Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #89 on: 10 June 2023, 10:16:55 »
So yeah been thinking about what Helena would use as her main fighter for her Ai Carrier Air Wings.

So I came up with this:

Voidseeker Mk 39-007 MMF

Mass: 75 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 300 XL
Armor: Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     2 Anti-Missile System
     5 Medium Pulse Laser
     2 ER Large Laser
Manufacturer: Ulsop Robotics
     Primary Factory: Terra
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2763
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-F(F*)-F-F
Cost: 11,763,744 C-bills

Type: Voidseeker
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Tonnage: 75
Battle Value: 1,750

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        300 XL                9.5
   Safe Thrust: 6
   Max Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity:         7                       
Heat Sinks:                   22 [44]                12
Fuel:                         480                   6.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          250                    14

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    75   
     Wings                 60/60   
     Aft                     55   


Weapons
and Ammo                                          Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
2 Anti-Missile System                               NOS       1.0      1      3    0    0    0 
2 ER Large Laser                                    NOS       10.0     12     8    8    8    0 
2 Medium Pulse Laser                                RWG       4.0      4      6    0    0    0 
Anti-Missile System Ammo (24)                       FSLG      2.0      -      -    -    -    - 
Active Probe                                        FSLG      1.5      -      -    -    -    - 
ECM Suite                                           FSLG      1.5      -      -    -    -    - 
Shielded Aerospace Smart Robotic Control System     FSLG      4.5      -      -    -    -    - 
2 Medium Pulse Laser                                LWG       4.0      4      6    0    0    0 
Medium Pulse Laser                                  AFT       2.0      4      6    0    0    0 


I tossed the LRM-15 because as much as the Carrier conversions have substantially more cargo they also have more crew and other demands on that cargo so if there was going to be anything that used ammo on the fighter it was going to be AMS.

It lost some overall ranged firepower but what it kept means in most fights it actually gains in overall firepower and the electronics will also help keep it alive.

More fuel and more armor to keep them in the fight a bit longer to round them out and they'd be pretty okay as jack of all trades without being too generalist I think.
« Last Edit: 10 June 2023, 12:28:41 by monbvol »