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Planned for late next year, the MechCommander's Handbook is intended to be one part small-scale campaign book (rooted in Chaos Campaign), one part overview of warfare and tactics (i.e. both in-universe and pure gameplay), and one part a guide to the product line and world of force building.  It's a standalone book, not meant to replace or require any other book (besides a rulebook).  This is all still tentative as it is a work in progress, but that's the plan anyways.

The part I want to discuss with you all is the era overviews.  Planned at the moment are five or six chapters of this type:

Early Succession Wars (tentative: a more obscure era playwise, and we'll see if there's enough mech selection available to make this interesting)
Late Succession Wars
Clan Invasion
Jihad
Republic
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Chapter Goals
I have multiple aims for these chapters.

1) Provide a quick overview of the era in question.  The focus is high-level, light on lore, looking primarily at military developments.  As you'll see when you check the preview, any dedicated era sourcebook does a far better job.  The idea here is simplicity--enough to place the rest of the material in the chapter in some sort of context.  This is aimed at new players.

2) Provide a quick guide to the products available for that era.  BT's product line is deep, and there's a lot of questions as to what is relevant to when, especially for the many new players we've picked up in the past five years.  This will guide readers to the books and PDFs available, for those who want more depth for that era.

3) Provide a guide to mech-based force building for that era.  This will give players a way to create Battlemech Formations applicable to the tabletop that are simultaneously faction-, role-, and era-appropriate.  The focus is low-level, aiming at gameplay you can finish in a single session: 8 mechs on a side maximum (and even then, that's only if you want to fight an IS vs Clan battle; otherwise the focus is 4-6 mechs per side).  The idea is that this is for helping set up pick-up games.  As with the era overview, a dedicated faction or era book will tend to do a better job than this.  For example, this will let you make a DCMS force, but it won't guide you to making, say, a Sword of Light force.  And as the Clan Invasion chapter is a snapshot of the year 3050, it won't do 3057's Operation Bulldog anywhere near as well as a book on that conflict.  So things like the Force Manuals will be far better at their specific job than this comparatively broad and high-level approach, but this covers a lot more ground.

Forcebuilding

The forcebuilding is the most complex part of these chapters, so I'll spend a bit more time on it.  Forcebuilding is broken into three methods, in order from least to greatest complexity.

1) RATs.  Generally works as normal, except I've scaled them like I have my fan RATs by making them ordered from low to high BV.  Beyond that there's no rhyme or reason, other than an attempt to create faction distinctiveness whenever possible.  The idea is if you're rolling on a random table, you're not after accuracy but speed.  The BV beside each mech lets you get the quickest idea of balance, and instead of rolling a flat 3D6 you can roll 2D6 and apply unit quality modifiers if you're vaguely aiming at a dirtbag militia force or something top of the line.  If you're looking for granularity beyond that (especially with the Clan RATs, which freely mix first- and second-line mechs), you want one of the next two methods.

2) Standard Formations.  These are pre-built lances, Stars, and Level IIs, appropriate to the faction, era, and formation type.  What units belong in a Formation is largely determined via roles (Ambusher, Brawler, Juggernaut etc, as seen on the MUL).  All Formations of a given era are balanced by BV against all other Formations of that era and type (to within 2%).  So, for example, all assault lances in the preview chapter aim for 6,000 BV.  While Clan and IS Formations are slightly different in category as well as composition, this has been also scaled against Clan equivalents: all Clan Assault Stars aim for 12,000 BV, so that two IS Assault lances equal out to one Clan Assault Star, two IS Cavalry lances equal out to one Clan Cavalry Star, etc.  Many Formation types use the same point totals, so that you can be more free in mixing and matching opponents.  For example, all lances of the Heavy Battle, Heavy Fire, and Cavalry types aim for 5,000 BV, and all lances of the Medium Battle, Medium Fire, and Support types aim for 4,000 BV.  This means that you don't have to limit yourself to the same Formation types if you're aiming for balanced matches: my Heavy Fire lance can fight your Cavalry lance.

A bonus for most Inner Sphere lists are the faction lances: upgraded lances meant to reflect a faction's preferred style.  These also are designed to match up with enemies, in this case with the BVs from taking standard lances but with Gunnery 3.  For example, a Gunnery 3 Marik Assault lance is the equivalent in BV to an upgraded (but still G4) Lyran Assault faction lance; again, quick mixing and matching was the goal.  The Clans don't have these special Formations, and instead of giving Gunnery 3 BVs, they have values for Gunnery 3/Piloting 4.  Those only mix and match amongst other Clan forces, as the BV multiplier for G3/P4 is too different to make it swappable with IS forces.

Formation types are something you may have seen in Campaign Operations, but while those are broadly used here, the Formation building criteria for this book (found in the Introduction) are much simpler than the rather granular requirements of CO.  This is to make it easier to use method 3.

3) Availability.  Okay, you're tired of the Standard Formations.  Or you have certain minis and you want to swap those in for others you don't have.  Or you want to make your own Formations from scratch.  Or you're just plain curious as to what's common and what's not in a given faction.  This section is for you.  The most specific and time-consuming, it provides four categories for chassis: Iconic, Common, Uncommon, and Rare.  Each chassis generally available to a faction in that era is listed and put into one of those four categories.  If you're building your own Formation, you choose from the number of slots for a given rarity level given to each Availability category, written besides each category.  For example, if building a lance, and assuming the faction has one Iconic unit for that era (not a given: most faction/weight categories don't have one):

1-2 slots can be Iconic (min 1, max 2)
2-3 can be Common (min 2, max 3)
1-2 can be Uncommon (min 1, max 2)
0-1 can be Rare (min 0, max 1)
Not every Each Iconic pick takes the place of a Common pick (so if I take one Iconic, my Common picks are now 1-2 instead of 2-3).  Salvage lets you take any other faction's Iconic or Common units (but as it's a Rare choice, you can only take one, and that means giving up your own faction's Rare).

The Availability method requires the MUL to use properly, as while it gives the mech chassis, it doesn't give the specific variants/configurations, and doesn't list the roles for all those chassis, which you need to use to keep a given Formation type legal (no slow Juggernauts in the Pursuit lances, sorry).  This method also works a little different from the MUL, in that the aim is more of a faction feel than what the MUL provides.  The Availabilities are thus more restrictive, in the interest of flavour.  The Introduction explains all of this at length, so the only thing I want to add is that this isn't a rival/alternate MUL: it's doing a different thing.  The MUL remains the one true determinant of canon for BT unit access.  So when you see, say, the Lyran Availability section single out the Centurion -AL as a faction unit, that's just a suggestion that if you're going to take any of the available Centurions at that time, you should focus on the -AL if you're particularly interested in being fluffy; it's not trying to override the MUL which says everyone has the -AL (since "focus on" and "available in general" are different metrics).

Of course, you don't have to use this method strictly as intended.  You can just take a quick look at the rarity listings it provides, go "hey, the Dracs apparently like Jenners", and start partitioning your pile of minis if you feel like it.  It can be as simple as an off-the-cuff guide.

What's It All Mean?

The most important part here is that this book does not in any way signify a change on the part of CGL towards how the game is "supposed" to be played.  As anyone who has been part of BT for any meaningful amount of time knows, this is a game filled with choices: choices of scale, choices of rulesets, choices of rules within rulesets, choices of unit types, choices of era.  The MCH simply gives you a few more.  In particular, people have been asking for this sort of list-building advice for a good 20 years (if not more).  So here it is.  But in the same way that the release of Interstellar Operations did not signify a shift on the part of BT to an all-mass combat game, the MCH's listbuilding element is meant simply to give BT fans one more tool in the chest.  Even after the release of this book, you can continue to ignore all faction, era, and role requirements and just thrown down whatever you want at the table.  But if you did wish for guidance on how to play the game in a more lore-accurate way, or simply wished that there was a readily available source of pre-made fluffy, BV-balanced table-scale formations available, now you'll have that.  The tl;dr is that this gives list-based support, but does not mandate list-based play.



The Introduction chapter, not included in the preview, spends most of its time explaining the core concepts, so the preview will be somewhat unclear in a lot of the finer details.  Feel free to ask questions if something is vague, but otherwise if I didn't cover it here it's probably outside the scope of what I want to talk about and so I may just say "you'll have to wait and see".  Feedback, errors spotted, ease of use suggestions, ways to make it better (within scope/practicality): it's all welcome.  Previews like this are as close of a beta as the book is liable to get.

Feel free to spread the preview around, but this is the only place I'm collecting feedback on it.

Final content may differ strongly from what you see here.
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Re: MechCommander's Handbook Preview - Era Overview and Force Building
« Reply #1 on: 03 December 2023, 17:02:41 »
I wholeheartedly support any product that aims to help with forcebuilding. Will give the sample a read later tonight.
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« Reply #2 on: 03 December 2023, 17:14:08 »
Just skimmed the preview, and I definitely like where this is going.
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« Reply #3 on: 03 December 2023, 18:04:32 »
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« Reply #4 on: 03 December 2023, 19:18:54 »
Will download and read, looking forward to seeing how this all works out and if I can help.
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Re: MechCommander's Handbook Preview - Era Overview and Force Building
« Reply #5 on: 03 December 2023, 22:02:55 »
Maybe this is beyond the scope of the book, but given you said era-based force creation, it'd be nice to have each era give a list of technologies (specific to BattleMechs) and the year they were introduced/reintroduced. Just so we have an idea of what's common, what's new, and what's not around in any given era.

Otherwise this sounds ace! :)

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« Reply #6 on: 03 December 2023, 22:18:55 »
Maybe this is beyond the scope of the book, but given you said era-based force creation, it'd be nice to have each era give a list of technologies (specific to BattleMechs) and the year they were introduced/reintroduced. Just so we have an idea of what's common, what's new, and what's not around in any given era.

Otherwise this sounds ace! :)

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A reprinting of those would certainly help the complex Availability section along.  Those sections are actually contained in other pubs referenced (at least by the sample).  Look for the section "Museum Technica" in Era Report: 3062, for example.

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« Reply #7 on: 04 December 2023, 08:27:47 »
And, to clarify, when I say technologies, I don't mean listing every possible version of Fusion Engine by manufacturer or anything like that.

More like:

ER Medium Laser (IS) - 3058

And things like that.

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« Reply #8 on: 04 December 2023, 10:14:31 »
Are the Force Manuals going to use a similar setup?
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« Reply #9 on: 04 December 2023, 10:32:47 »
similar, but not the same. there are no RATs in the FMs. the standard lances for the FMs are based on manufacturing and access rather than BV balance.

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« Reply #10 on: 04 December 2023, 10:59:54 »
Thanks for posting all of this Xotl!

I'll download the chapter, read things, through, and give feedback once I'm done.

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« Reply #11 on: 04 December 2023, 11:49:26 »
Is this a BattleTech only product or will it be usable with Alpha Strike as well?

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« Reply #12 on: 04 December 2023, 12:26:51 »
Is this a BattleTech only product or will it be usable with Alpha Strike as well?

Good question, I'm curious as well.  Cubby's post in the livestream thread said it was for AS and classic, but this preview seems written for classic only, given the presence of BV and absence of PV.  Maybe PV is to-be-added later? 

I'm also curious how this fits in with the new Force Manuals.  Standard lances and availability-based force building rules were the major non-fluff parts of the old Combat Manuals.  If that going to still be in the Force Manuals (presumably expanded to cover Classic), how does that differ from the force building content that is going to be in the MechCommander's Handbook? 

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« Reply #13 on: 04 December 2023, 13:18:36 »
I think they would be really missing an opportunity if they didn't. I know many more people interested in Alpha Strike than I do in classic BattleTech and having the Chaos Campaign system actually work with Alpha Strike would be a huge step forward

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« Reply #14 on: 04 December 2023, 13:30:31 »
Support for AS is intended whenever possible: it will have as much Alpha Strike as we can cram into it.  The issue with the Standard Formations is that PV and BV are completely different, and so that would mean a completely different set of pre-constructed Formations if you want them balanced, adding far more pages than are practical I think.  We'll be discussing ways around it, but their might not be one.  At the very least, if the Availabilities material remains in, you can consult that to build your own AS-balanced Formations.
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« Reply #15 on: 04 December 2023, 13:30:41 »
Is there much love for chaos campaign? I personally find the balancing of a scenario against the player's force reminds me of the dreaded level scaling in videogames (but I lost that one).

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« Reply #16 on: 04 December 2023, 13:35:08 »
I think they would be really missing an opportunity if they didn't. I know many more people interested in Alpha Strike than I do in classic BattleTech and having the Chaos Campaign system actually work with Alpha Strike would be a huge step forward

For what it's worth, the system generally does work with AS, you just have to work a bit to find it.  The old pre-CE Alpha Strike book had chaos campaign rules, and included some expanded salvage rules in the Companion.  Those were used as the basis for the Alpha-Strike-compatible version of the Chaos Campaign rules included in the Battle of Tukayyid book. 

But I agree it would be good to have an in-print, non-Tukayyid-specific, authoritative version of the Alpha Strike chaos campaign rules.

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« Reply #17 on: 04 December 2023, 22:24:04 »
I just finished reading this preview.  Gawd, I need a shower after how good it was

Are the Guerrero-specific Brush Wars and Spotlight On ZdG PDFs supposed to be products being released in a similar timeframe as MC's Handbook + Force Manuals?

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« Reply #18 on: 04 December 2023, 23:31:05 »
  I like how pragmatic the lance/star building guidelines are for setting up pickup games.  It should come in real handy for setting up faction appropriate forces for future games.

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« Reply #19 on: 05 December 2023, 00:09:01 »
Are the expected use cases for these are similar to the tables found in Tamar, Empire & Dominions?

Also

Any plans (or dreams) to add the flavor rating:
  • Iconic
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Back onto the MUL per faction?

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« Reply #20 on: 05 December 2023, 00:42:28 »
Back onto the MUL per faction?

no. records cannot be tied to multiple eras with different values.

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« Reply #21 on: 05 December 2023, 08:11:17 »
I like this, especially as someone who has very little tabletop experience.  I would take out the references to the unavailable OOP books though...unless those are going to be available for PDF/POD?  :wink:

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« Reply #22 on: 05 December 2023, 09:43:38 »
At the first glance:

Clan Nova Cat:
Heavy 'Mechs
Common: ...Nobori-nin (Huntsman),...

The Huntsman is a Medium Mech (50 ton).

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« Reply #23 on: 05 December 2023, 10:03:54 »
Are the Guerrero-specific Brush Wars and Spotlight On ZdG PDFs supposed to be products being released in a similar timeframe as MC's Handbook + Force Manuals?

They are due SoonishTM.

Clan Nova Cat:
Heavy 'Mechs
Common: ...Nobori-nin (Huntsman),...

The Huntsman is a Medium Mech (50 ton).

Corrected, thanks.  There's also a couple of typos there, which I've fixed.
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« Reply #24 on: 05 December 2023, 10:08:07 »
I'm assuming the RATs are "2d10" as opposed to any other weirdness. Just wanted to double check on that.

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« Reply #25 on: 05 December 2023, 10:10:14 »
I'm assuming the RATs are "2d10" as opposed to any other weirdness. Just wanted to double check on that.

20+ line RATs are usually 2d6 plus a number for unit rating (or anything else that deals with unit differentiation):
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« Reply #26 on: 05 December 2023, 10:11:58 »
I like this, especially as someone who has very little tabletop experience.  I would take out the references to the unavailable OOP books though...unless those are going to be available for PDF/POD?  :wink:

At a glance, they're all available in PDF format.
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« Reply #27 on: 05 December 2023, 10:21:32 »
I like this, especially as someone who has very little tabletop experience.  I would take out the references to the unavailable OOP books though...unless those are going to be available for PDF/POD?  :wink:

Anything I've listed is available through the Catalyst online store in PDF.  The chapter is in part an attempt to help people wade through all that.

I'm assuming the RATs are "2d10" as opposed to any other weirdness. Just wanted to double check on that.

3D6 base (so a few of the options won't ever show up).  2D6+modifiers if you're using those, which are optional.  Between the two options, all units are then available in some fashion.
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« Reply #28 on: 05 December 2023, 12:11:10 »
I can see Known Glitch's point though, regarding someone reading the chapter and assuming CGL is somehow in dire straits because books aren't on paper anymore (and not realizing that most of everything by everyone, everywhere isn't on paper anymore).  It can happen, especially in this context and considering the kind of customer one could see here.

edit: just saying that they're on PDF is enough, is the point I think
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« Reply #29 on: 05 December 2023, 13:06:09 »
I think (in 3050 at least) the Hankyu would be iconic for the Jaguars, not the Cats.
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