Author Topic: How Would You deal with this infantry unit. (Read 477 times)

Primus203 · « **on:** 27 February 2024, 14:36:41 »

Im sorry if this is the wrong place to post this if so let me know and ill move it.

Anyways I have a large aerodyne gunship and was looking for ways to improve capabilities and I came to paradropped infantry I revised the capability upwards a few times to cover deficiencies a few times.

The full unit load is meant to be divisible by six and can be either a sixth, a third, half, or all dropped at one spot I would like to know how you would deal with these units so I can shore them up.
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Para G.I. Infantry x84
Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Transport Weight: 4
Equipment:
Primary Weapon: 12 Laser Rifle (Federated-Barrett M61A) (Inferno Grenades)
Secondary Weapon: 16 Support Laser (ER, IS)
Armor: Ballistic Plate, Standard
Battle Value: 433
Introduction Year: 3060
Cost: 13,655,240.307 C-bills
Notes: Cybernetically enhanced infantry: Sensory Implants (IR/EM Optical): Conventional Infantry units receive 2-hex Active Probe.
Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage) : Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage)
Artificial Pain Shunt: Pilot does not suffer damage from certain kinds of attacks.
Enhanced Multi-Modal Sensory Implants: Enhanced Version of Eye/Ear/Laser
Myomer Implants (Triple Strength): Units receive benefits as described in
Prosthetic leg MASC: Conventional Infantry units can go faster. Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor): Units are more resistant to damage.
Boosted Cybernetic Comm Implant: As Cybernetic Comm Implant but adds ability to connect to C3i
Sensory Implants (Enhanced Audio): Infantry units receive 2-hex Active Probe.


Platoon Type (Specialty): Foot (Paratroops)
Ground MP: 2
Platoon Size (Squad/Platoon): 28 (7/4)
Armor Divisor: 3
To-Hit Modifier (Range in Hexes):
-1 (0 Hexes), +0 (1-4 Hexes), +1 (5-6 Hexes), +2 (7-8 Hexes), +3 (9-10 Hexes), +4 (11-12 Hexes)
Maximum Weapon Damage (# of Troopers):
20 (28), 19 (27-26), 18 (25), 17 (24), 16 (23-22), 15 (21), 14 (20-19), 13 (18), 12 (17), 11 (16-15), 10 (14), 9 (13-12), 8 (11), 7 (10), 6 (9-8), 5 (7), 4 (6-5), 3 (4), 2 (3), 1 (2-1)
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For Fieldworks

Shovel Squad Ragnarok Para x6
Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-X
Transport Weight: 4.5
Equipment:
Primary Weapon: 16 Laser Rifle (Federated-Barrett M61A) (Inferno Grenades)
Secondary Weapon: 4 Support Laser (ER Heavy, IS)
Armor: Environment Suit, Hostile
Battle Value: 280
Introduction Year: 3060
Cost: 59,197,809.886 C-bills
Notes: Cybernetically enhanced infantry: Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage) : Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage)
Artificial Pain Shunt: Pilot does not suffer damage from certain kinds of attacks.
Enhanced Multi-Modal Sensory Implants: Enhanced Version of Eye/Ear/Laser
Myomer Implants (Triple Strength): Units receive benefits as described in
Prosthetic leg MASC: Conventional Infantry units can go faster. Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor): Units are more resistant to damage.
Boosted Cybernetic Comm Implant: As Cybernetic Comm Implant but adds ability to connect to C3i


Platoon Type (Specialty): Foot (Trench/Fieldworks Engineers, Paratroops)
Ground MP: 2
Platoon Size (Squad/Platoon): 20 (10/2)
Armor Divisor: 3
To-Hit Modifier (Range in Hexes):
+0 (0-6 Hexes), +1 (7-9 Hexes), +2 (10-12 Hexes), +4 (13-15 Hexes), +5 (16-18 Hexes)
Maximum Weapon Damage (# of Troopers):
13 (20), 12 (19-18), 11 (17), 10 (16-15), 9 (14), 8 (13-12), 7 (11-10), 6 (9), 5 (8-7), 4 (6), 3 (5-4), 2 (3), 1 (2-1)
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The Battle Armor Support
Assault Battlesuit Energy Loadout x30
Type: Assault Battlesuit
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown

Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Chassis Type: Biped
Weight Class: Assault
Maximum Weight: 2,000 kg
Battle Value: 561
Squad Size 6
Swarm/Leg Attack/Mechanized/AP: No/No/No/Yes
</p>

Equipment Slots Mass
Chassis: 550 kg
Motive System:
Ground MP: 2 160 kg
Jump MP: 0 0 kg
Manipulators:
Left Arm: Heavy Vibro-Claw 60 kg
Right Arm: Armored Gloves 0 kg
Armor: Standard (Basic) 0 550 kg
Armor Value: 12 (Trooper)

Slots
Weapons and Equipment Location (Capacity) Mass
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount Left Arm 1 5 kg
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount Left Arm 1 5 kg
Cutting Torch Right Arm 1 5 kg
Direct Neural Interface Cockpit Modification None 0 0 kg
Extended Life Support Body 1 25 kg
Improved Sensors Body 1 65 kg
Laser Microphone Body 1 5 kg
Power Pack Body 1 25 kg
Parafoil Body 1 35 kg
Vibro-Shovel None 0 0 kg
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount Body 1 5 kg
Medium Laser Right Arm 3 500 kg
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Now I know your first thoughts would be to bomb them with aero or to inferno them or avoid them so they have a small number of support vehicles.

For infernos and missile bombardment
Ams Para Anti Missile Tank x6

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 21.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Laser AMS
8 Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3065
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Cost: 3,758,750 C-bills

Type: Ams Para
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 1,149

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 5
Engine 100 Fusion 4.5
   Cruising MP: 2
   Flank MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Control Equipment: 2.5
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 0.5
Armor Factor (Ferro) 215 12

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 5 52
R/L Side 5/5 43/43
Rear 5 34
Turret 5 43

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
Anti-Missile System Rear 0.5
2 Anti-Missile System Left 1.0
Anti-Missile System Front 0.5
2 Anti-Missile System Right 1.0
2 Anti-Missile System Turret 1.0
Laser AMS Turret 1.5
CASE Body 0.5
Angel ECM Suite Body 2.0
Anti-Missile System Ammo (180) Body 15.0
Vehicular DropChute Body 2.5
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To protect against aero
Skyshield Infantry Support Tank x6

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 21.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 LB 5-X AC
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3065
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Cost: 1,872,500 C-bills

Type: Skyshield
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 493

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 5
Engine 100 Fusion 4.5
   Cruising MP: 2
   Flank MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Control Equipment: 2.5
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 2.0
Armor Factor (Ferro) 89 5

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 5 24
R/L Side 5/5 17/17
Rear 5 14
Turret 5 17

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
Bulldozer Front 2.0
2 LB 5-X AC Turret 16.0
CASE Body 0.5
LB 5-X Cluster Ammo (120) Body 6.0
Vehicular DropChute Body 2.5
Targeting Computer BD 4.0
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And finally to make it so you either cant ignore or have to detour a lot
Sniper Infantry Support Tank x6

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 21.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Sniper
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3065
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-E
Cost: 1,344,500 C-bills

Type: Sniper
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 408

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 5
Engine 100 Fusion 4.5
   Cruising MP: 2
   Flank MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Control Equipment: 2.5
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 2.0
Armor Factor (Ferro) 89 5

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 5 24
R/L Side 5/5 17/17
Rear 5 14
Turret 5 17

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
Sniper Turret 20.0
Fuel-Air Sniper Ammo (20) Body 2.0
Flechette Sniper Ammo (10) Body 1.0
Sniper Ammo (40) Body 4.0
Cluster Sniper Ammo (20) Body 2.0
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So how would you guys face this force in any of its drop configurations from a sixth to all at once?

AlphaMirage · « **Reply #1 on:** 27 February 2024, 14:58:39 »

Don't let it hit the ground, blow them up while on descent with fighters when they are helpless.

For the infantry Mech Mortars with Air-Burst will still chew them up (and be immune to AMS) particularly since they are so slow. Tough and long to kill yes but still doable.

Also you basically spent a dropship worth of c-bills on them. IDK if that's a good investment when I can buy a lot more LRMs or Thumpers (with Fuel-Air too) with Helicopter spotters (using mast mounts and masking terrain to protect from cluster rounds) for indirect fire (preferably with ARMs against the missile defense tank).

Your Anti-Missile Tank won't work on the ground like you think it will it only protects itself from hits (the APDS is the one that provides a nearby missile shield but is much heavier and very short ranged) and only once per round. The flak tank will get taken out first and then air power and a creeping barrage would do the same starting with the SPA.

Now I'd probably run of ammo dealing with the cyborg horde but I could definitely put a hurt on them.

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #2 on:** 27 February 2024, 15:14:46 »

What AlphaMirage said hit them in space or from a distance, they are slow with no flanking support you just keep hitting them from a distance.

Now in a city, that's a scary force with ample cover they'd be hard to break out

Primus203 · « **Reply #3 on:** 27 February 2024, 15:18:41 »

Thanks for replying id like to know if its not a bother how long would it take you to reduce the force I conceptually was thinking in dropping it in thirds or sixths to pin down or limit enemy movements while my other dropships dropped tanks, and mechs. Also they are fully meant to be dropped into or near good cover.

If it takes more than five turns to reduce them the hover tanks could probably come to support.

The group I'm in does large scale battles though I'm pretty new to the game.

The dropship is also pretty well armed though I've been informed that its not a great idea to use them as close air support.

Ragnarok SuperHeavy DropGunship
Type: Military Aerodyne
Mass: 35,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Introduced: 3065
Mass: 35,000
Battle Value: 28,711
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Cost: 3,371,040,000 C-bills

Fuel: 3,000 tons (60,000)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Heat Sinks: 2500 (5000)
Structural Integrity: 85

Armor
Nose: 773
Sides: 659/659
Aft: 544

Cargo
Bay 1: BattleArmor (IS) (30) 2 Doors
Bay 2: Infantry (Foot) (90) 4 Doors
Bay 3: Light Vehicle (18) 1 Door
Bay 4: Cargo (674.0 tons) Probably full of bombs 1 Door

Ammunition:
10,000 rounds of LB 5-X Cluster ammunition (500 tons)

Escape Pods: 0
Life Boats: 0
Crew: 12 officers, 9 enlisted/non-rated, 39 gunners, 2790 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 382.5 tons of standard aerospace armor.

Weapons: Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat) Heat SRV MRV LRV ERV Class
Nose (526 Heat)
4 Laser AMS 28 1(12) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
3 Sub-Capital Laser /3 96 9(90) 9(90) 0(0) 0(0) Sub-Capital Laser
2 LB 5-X AC 2 1(10) 1(10) 1(10) 0(0) LBX AC
LB 5-X Cluster Ammo (2000 shots)
20 ER PPC 300 20(200) 20(200) 20(200) 0(0) PPC
20 ER Medium Laser 100 10(100) 10(100) 0(0) 0(0) Laser
RW/LW (526 Heat)
4 Laser AMS 28 1(12) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
3 Sub-Capital Laser /3 96 9(90) 9(90) 0(0) 0(0) Sub-Capital Laser
2 LB 5-X AC 2 1(10) 1(10) 1(10) 0(0) LBX AC
LB 5-X Cluster Ammo (2000 shots)
20 ER PPC 300 20(200) 20(200) 20(200) 0(0) PPC
20 ER Medium Laser 100 10(100) 10(100) 0(0) 0(0) Laser
Aft (432 Heat)
4 Laser AMS 28 1(12) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
1 TAG 0 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) Misc
4 LB 5-X AC 4 2(20) 2(20) 2(20) 0(0) LBX AC
LB 5-X Cluster Ammo (4000 shots)
20 ER PPC 300 20(200) 20(200) 20(200) 0(0) PPC
20 ER Medium Laser 100 10(100) 10(100) 0(0) 0(0) Laser

AlphaMirage · « **Reply #4 on:** 27 February 2024, 15:51:06 »

The Ragnarok basically costs the same as a small warship. So I'd use that to solve all of these problems if its an option. Using any dropship as close air support is just asking for a wreck those control rolls are nasty. Additionally I don't have to 'hit' your dropship or formation with a nuke in atmosphere for it to 'kill' it. It could just blow up nearby thus missile defense might not protect you from splash damage caused by a cunning SDS.

Furthermore you can barely feed/life support your people on a short planetary transit (they use a one ton per 20 people in the bay per day) so the drop team is reliant on cargo vessels for sustainment. Which since I would not endanger my aerospace fighting that monster would then become my next target as I withdraw from your very slow force. Its a beast sure, but one with short legs and a lot of trade offs. IMO your c-bills are best spent elsewhere.

Primus203 · « **Reply #5 on:** 27 February 2024, 16:10:08 »

As always thanks for the responses I'm now considering dropping the para troops from the ragnarok maybe the rag was always supposed to be a gunship and anti drop gunship platform the para are a refit trading a bit of fuel and armor.

The scale that the group I'm in hosts battles on is such that the largest battle the old model rag took place in had twelve drop and had to face the others dropships lost all twelve but my forces would have probably had their best units devastated before i could stop them otherwise.

On note of using warships instead they were busy fighting the other warships the scale of the battle for us is great house proxy wars I have the smallest fleet but all warships. None of the spheroids dropships are defenseless and all have five fighters.

OatsAndHall · « **Reply #6 on:** 27 February 2024, 16:23:47 »

Fire. Lots of fire.

ActionButler · « **Reply #7 on:** 27 February 2024, 17:31:59 »

**MOD NOTICE**

Because this topic deals with customs, I've moved it to the Fan Designs board. As is usually the case with these situations, nobody is in trouble.

Thanks very much, guys.
AB

Daryk · « **Reply #8 on:** 27 February 2024, 19:16:43 »

My thoughts on this topic start here: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=75134.msg1830040#msg1830040

truetanker · « **Reply #9 on:** 28 February 2024, 20:05:02 »

TSM can NOT work with MASC!

But not bad.

I've... done the Terminator thing, just because Herb didn't, or wouldn't, release his.

TT

(PMs Sent out)

Primus203 · « **Reply #10 on:** 01 March 2024, 01:43:32 »

After thought and discussion I in the end decided to keep the Ragnaroks drop capability and modify it. Though instead of up to six groups it has been changed to two groups. The new Ragnarok drops a thousand heatsinks which after calcs were unneeded changed the armor so i could reduce weight and not lose to much, and trimmed another thousand tons of fuel, and finally removed three of the nine sub cap three lasers. All of this allowed me to squeeze in the redesigned force plus supplies for two weeks. New Specs as follows.
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Ragnarok SuperHeavy DropGunship
Type: Military Aerodyne
Mass: 35,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Introduced: 3065
Mass: 35,000
Battle Value: 27,804
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Cost: 3,221,226,000 C-bills

Fuel: 2,000 tons (40,000)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Heat Sinks: 1400 (2800)
Structural Integrity: 75

Armor
Nose: 828
Sides: 703/703
Aft: 577

Cargo
Bay 1: BattleArmor (IS) (24) 1 Door
Bay 2: Light Vehicle (48) 1 Door
Bay 3: Heavy Vehicle (12) 1 Door
Bay 4: Superheavy Vehicle (2) 1 Door
Bay 5: Infantry (Motorized) (210)1 Door
Bay 6: Infantry (Foot) (250) 1 Door
Bay 7: Mech (4) 1 Door
Bay 8: Cargo (2181.0 tons) 1 Door

Ammunition:
10,000 rounds of LB 5-X Cluster ammunition (500 tons)

Escape Pods: 0
Life Boats: 0
Crew: 12 officers, 9 enlisted/non-rated, 39 gunners, 2758 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 337.5 tons of heavy ferro-aluminum armor.

Weapons: Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat) Heat SRV MRV LRV ERV Class
Nose (494 Heat)
4 Laser AMS 28 1(12) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
2 Sub-Capital Laser /3 64 6(60) 6(60) 0(0) 0(0) Sub-Capital Laser
2 LB 5-X AC 2 1(10) 1(10) 1(10) 0(0) LBX AC
LB 5-X Cluster Ammo (2000 shots)
20 ER PPC 300 20(200) 20(200) 20(200) 0(0) PPC
20 ER Medium Laser 100 10(100) 10(100) 0(0) 0(0) Laser
RW/LW (494 Heat)
4 Laser AMS 28 1(12) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
2 Sub-Capital Laser /3 64 6(60) 6(60) 0(0) 0(0) Sub-Capital Laser
2 LB 5-X AC 2 1(10) 1(10) 1(10) 0(0) LBX AC
LB 5-X Cluster Ammo (2000 shots)
20 ER PPC 300 20(200) 20(200) 20(200) 0(0) PPC
20 ER Medium Laser 100 10(100) 10(100) 0(0) 0(0) Laser
Aft (432 Heat)
4 Laser AMS 28 1(12) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
1 TAG 0 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) Misc
4 LB 5-X AC 4 2(20) 2(20) 2(20) 0(0) LBX AC
LB 5-X Cluster Ammo (4000 shots)
20 ER PPC 300 20(200) 20(200) 20(200) 0(0) PPC
20 ER Medium Laser 100 10(100) 10(100) 0(0) 0(0) Laser
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The new core of the force is a semi mobile repair facility that can provide forward repair as well as a hospital. It has okay armor and anti aero armament. Its limited stock of spare parts at thirty tons of spares is negated by support units. Each of the two forces has one.

Repair Base Facility

Mass: 200 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 200 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 10.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 21.6 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 LB 5-X AC
1 Laser AMS
6 Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3065
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Cost: 19,076,000 C-bills

Type: Repair Base
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 200
Battle Value: 1,989

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 40
Engine 200 Fusion 13
   Cruising MP: 1
   Flank MP: 2
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Control Equipment: 10.0
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 2.0
Armor Factor (Ferro) 537 30

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 20 96
Front R/L Side 20/20 76/76
Rear R/L Side 20/20 76/76
Rear 20 61
Turret 20 76

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
Anti-Missile System Rear 0.5
Anti-Missile System Front 0.5
Anti-Missile System Front Right 0.5
Lift Hoist/Arresting Hoist Front Right 3.0
Anti-Missile System Front Left 0.5
Lift Hoist/Arresting Hoist Front Left 3.0
Anti-Missile System Rear Left 0.5
2 LB 5-X AC Turret 16.0
Laser AMS Turret 1.5
MASH Equipment (4 theaters) Body 6.5
Vehicular DropChute Body 2.0
CASE Body 0.5
Angel ECM Suite Body 2.0
Anti-Missile System Ammo (60) Body 5.0
LB 5-X Cluster Ammo (120) Body 6.0
Mobile Field Base Body 20.0
Targeting Computer BD 4.0
Anti-Missile System Rear Right 0.5
Cargo Body 32.5
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The unit to the repair bay a single lb 5-x to supplement air defense decent armor and fifty tons of cargo. This is split into thirty tons of spare parts for the repair bay and five each of gauss rifle, lb 5-X cluster, lrm20 extended range, and sniper artillery ammunition. This store of ammo is also the same as all field guns negating the issue of limited ammo for them. Six units are a part of each half of the force.

Repair Base Parts Bin

Mass: 100 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 10.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 21.6 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 LB 5-X AC
1 Laser AMS
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3065
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Cost: 4,727,333 C-bills

Type: Repair Base
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 100
Battle Value: 672

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 10
Engine 100 Fusion 4.5
   Cruising MP: 1
   Flank MP: 2
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Control Equipment: 5.0
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 1.0
Armor Factor (Ferro) 152 8.5

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 10 38
R/L Side 10/10 30/30
Rear 10 24
Turret 10 30

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
LB 5-X AC Turret 8.0
Laser AMS Turret 1.5
Vehicular DropChute Body 2.0
Angel ECM Suite Body 2.0
CASE Body 0.5
LB 5-X Cluster Ammo (100) Body 5.0
Targeting Computer BD 2.0
Cargo Body 50.0
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The foot infantry force remains mostly unchanged except for removal of masc which was incompatible with tsm. Also some change in numbers.

Para G.I. Infantry x22 units per force
Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Transport Weight: 4
Equipment:
Primary Weapon: 12 Laser Rifle (Federated-Barrett M61A) (Inferno Grenades)
Secondary Weapon: 16 Support Laser (ER, IS)
Armor: Ballistic Plate, Standard
Battle Value: 389
Introduction Year: 3060
Cost: 13,655,240.307 C-bills
Notes: Cybernetically enhanced infantry: Sensory Implants (IR/EM Optical): Conventional Infantry units receive 2-hex Active Probe.
Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage) : Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage)
Artificial Pain Shunt: Pilot does not suffer damage from certain kinds of attacks.
Enhanced Multi-Modal Sensory Implants: Enhanced Version of Eye/Ear/Laser
Myomer Implants (Triple Strength): Units receive benefits as described in
Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor): Units are more resistant to damage.
Boosted Cybernetic Comm Implant: As Cybernetic Comm Implant but adds ability to connect to C3i
Sensory Implants (Enhanced Audio): Infantry units receive 2-hex Active Probe.


Platoon Type (Specialty): Foot (Paratroops)
Ground MP: 1
Platoon Size (Squad/Platoon): 28 (7/4)
Armor Divisor: 3
To-Hit Modifier (Range in Hexes):
-1 (0 Hexes), +0 (1-4 Hexes), +1 (5-6 Hexes), +2 (7-8 Hexes), +3 (9-10 Hexes), +4 (11-12 Hexes)
Maximum Weapon Damage (# of Troopers):
20 (28), 19 (27-26), 18 (25), 17 (24), 16 (23-22), 15 (21), 14 (20-19), 13 (18), 12 (17), 11 (16-15), 10 (14), 9 (13-12), 8 (11), 7 (10), 6 (9-8), 5 (7), 4 (6-5), 3 (4), 2 (3), 1 (2-1)
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Shovel Squad Ragnarok Para x3 units per force
Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-X
Transport Weight: 4.5
Equipment:
Primary Weapon: 16 Laser Rifle (Federated-Barrett M61A) (Inferno Grenades)
Secondary Weapon: 4 Support Laser (ER Heavy, IS)
Armor: Environment Suit, Hostile
Battle Value: 255
Introduction Year: 3060
Cost: 59,197,809.886 C-bills
Notes: Cybernetically enhanced infantry: Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage) : Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage)
Artificial Pain Shunt: Pilot does not suffer damage from certain kinds of attacks.
Enhanced Multi-Modal Sensory Implants: Enhanced Version of Eye/Ear/Laser
Myomer Implants (Triple Strength): Units receive benefits as described in
Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor): Units are more resistant to damage.
Boosted Cybernetic Comm Implant: As Cybernetic Comm Implant but adds ability to connect to C3i


Platoon Type (Specialty): Foot (Trench/Fieldworks Engineers, Paratroops)
Ground MP: 1
Platoon Size (Squad/Platoon): 20 (10/2)
Armor Divisor: 3
To-Hit Modifier (Range in Hexes):
+0 (0-6 Hexes), +1 (7-9 Hexes), +2 (10-12 Hexes), +4 (13-15 Hexes), +5 (16-18 Hexes)
Maximum Weapon Damage (# of Troopers):
13 (20), 12 (19-18), 11 (17), 10 (16-15), 9 (14), 8 (13-12), 7 (11-10), 6 (9), 5 (8-7), 4 (6), 3 (5-4), 2 (3), 1 (2-1)
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Assault Battlesuit Energy Loadout x10 units per force squad size of six
Type: Assault Battlesuit
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown

Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Chassis Type: Biped
Weight Class: Assault
Maximum Weight: 2,000 kg
Battle Value: 561
Swarm/Leg Attack/Mechanized/AP: No/No/No/Yes
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Equipment Slots Mass
Chassis: 550 kg
Motive System:
Ground MP: 2 160 kg
Jump MP: 0 0 kg
Manipulators:
Left Arm: Heavy Vibro-Claw 60 kg
Right Arm: Armored Gloves 0 kg
Armor: Standard (Basic) 0 550 kg
Armor Value: 12 (Trooper)

Slots
Weapons and Equipment Location (Capacity) Mass
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount Left Arm 1 5 kg
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount Left Arm 1 5 kg
Cutting Torch Right Arm 1 5 kg
Direct Neural Interface Cockpit Modification None 0 0 kg
Extended Life Support Body 1 25 kg
Improved Sensors Body 1 65 kg
Laser Microphone Body 1 5 kg
Power Pack Body 1 25 kg
Parafoil Body 1 35 kg
Vibro-Shovel None 0 0 kg
Medium Laser Right Arm 3 500 kg
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount Body 1 5 kg
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New Battlesuit purpose tag and sabatoge of enemy facilities. Limited scouting.

Sabotuer BattleArmor x2 units per force squad size of six
Type: Sabotuer
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown

Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Chassis Type: Biped
Weight Class: Medium
Maximum Weight: 1,000 kg
Battle Value: 265
Swarm/Leg Attack/Mechanized/AP: No/No/No/Yes
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Equipment Slots Mass
Chassis: 175 kg
Motive System:
Ground MP: 3 80 kg
Jump MP: 2 100 kg
Manipulators:
Left Arm: Armored Gloves 0 kg
Right Arm: Armored Gloves 0 kg
Armor: Standard (Basic) 0 450 kg
Armor Value: 10 (Trooper)

Slots
Weapons and Equipment Location (Capacity) Mass
TAG Right Arm 1 35 kg
Parafoil Body 1 35 kg
Cutting Torch Right Arm 1 5 kg
Demolition Charge None 0 0 kg
Power Pack Body 1 25 kg
Searchlight Left Arm 1 5 kg
Improved Sensors Body 1 65 kg
Vibro-Shovel None 0 0 kg
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount Body 1 5 kg
Mission Equipment Storage (1 kg) Left Arm 1 1 kg
Demolition Charge None 0 0 kg
Demolition Charge None 0 0 kg
Demolition Charge None 0 0 kg
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New infantry motorized groups chosen over mechanized as they can use more kinds of cover similar in all respects exc3ept for field gun.

Ragnarok Motorized Gauss x5 units per force
Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Transport Weight: 23
Equipment:
Primary Weapon: 20 Laser Rifle (Federated-Barrett M61A) (Inferno Grenades)
Secondary Weapon: 8 Support Laser (ER Heavy, IS)
Armor: Ballistic Plate, Standard
Battle Value: 602
Introduction Year: 3065
Cost: 31,160,034.074 C-bills
Notes: 1 Gauss Rifle with 8 rounds of ammo. Requires 15 soldiers to operate. Cybernetically enhanced infantry: Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage) : Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage)
Artificial Pain Shunt: Pilot does not suffer damage from certain kinds of attacks.
Enhanced Multi-Modal Sensory Implants: Enhanced Version of Eye/Ear/Laser
Prosthetic leg MASC: Conventional Infantry units can go faster. Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor): Units are more resistant to damage.
Boosted Cybernetic Comm Implant: As Cybernetic Comm Implant but adds ability to connect to C3i


Platoon Type (Specialty): Motorized (Paratroops)
Ground MP: 2
Platoon Size (Squad/Platoon): 28 (7/4)
Armor Divisor: 3
To-Hit Modifier (Range in Hexes):
+0 (0-6 Hexes), +1 (7-9 Hexes), +2 (10-12 Hexes), +4 (13-15 Hexes), +5 (16-18 Hexes)
Maximum Weapon Damage (# of Troopers):
19 (28), 18 (27-26), 17 (25), 16 (24-23), 15 (22), 14 (21-20), 13 (19), 12 (18-17), 11 (16), 10 (15-14), 9 (13), 8 (12), 7 (11-10), 6 (9), 5 (8-7), 4 (6), 3 (5-4), 2 (3), 1 (2-1)
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Ragnarok Motorized LB 5-X x6 units per force
Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Transport Weight: 34
Equipment:
Primary Weapon: 20 Laser Rifle (Federated-Barrett M61A) (Inferno Grenades)
Secondary Weapon: 8 Support Laser (ER Heavy, IS)
Armor: Ballistic Plate, Standard
Battle Value: 542
Introduction Year: 3065
Cost: 31,635,034.074 C-bills
Notes: 3 LB 5-X AC with 20 rounds of ammo each. Each gun requires 8 soldiers to operate. Cybernetically enhanced infantry: Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage) : Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage)
Artificial Pain Shunt: Pilot does not suffer damage from certain kinds of attacks.
Enhanced Multi-Modal Sensory Implants: Enhanced Version of Eye/Ear/Laser
Prosthetic leg MASC: Conventional Infantry units can go faster. Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor): Units are more resistant to damage.
Boosted Cybernetic Comm Implant: As Cybernetic Comm Implant but adds ability to connect to C3i


Platoon Type (Specialty): Motorized (Paratroops)
Ground MP: 2
Platoon Size (Squad/Platoon): 28 (7/4)
Armor Divisor: 3
To-Hit Modifier (Range in Hexes):
+0 (0-6 Hexes), +1 (7-9 Hexes), +2 (10-12 Hexes), +4 (13-15 Hexes), +5 (16-18 Hexes)
Maximum Weapon Damage (# of Troopers):
19 (28), 18 (27-26), 17 (25), 16 (24-23), 15 (22), 14 (21-20), 13 (19), 12 (18-17), 11 (16), 10 (15-14), 9 (13), 8 (12), 7 (11-10), 6 (9), 5 (8-7), 4 (6), 3 (5-4), 2 (3), 1 (2-1)
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Ragnarok Motorized Sniper Artillery x4 units per force
Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Transport Weight: 28
Equipment:
Primary Weapon: 20 Laser Rifle (Federated-Barrett M61A) (Inferno Grenades)
Secondary Weapon: 8 Support Laser (ER Heavy, IS)
Armor: Ballistic Plate, Standard
Battle Value: 363
Introduction Year: 3065
Cost: 31,146,034.074 C-bills
Notes: 1 Sniper with 10 rounds of ammo. Requires 20 soldiers to operate. Cybernetically enhanced infantry: Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage) : Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor Camoflage)
Artificial Pain Shunt: Pilot does not suffer damage from certain kinds of attacks.
Enhanced Multi-Modal Sensory Implants: Enhanced Version of Eye/Ear/Laser
Prosthetic leg MASC: Conventional Infantry units can go faster. Myomer Implants (Dermal Armor): Units are more resistant to damage.
Boosted Cybernetic Comm Implant: As Cybernetic Comm Implant but adds ability to connect to C3i


Platoon Type (Specialty): Motorized (Paratroops)
Ground MP: 1
Platoon Size (Squad/Platoon): 28 (7/4)
Armor Divisor: 3
To-Hit Modifier (Range in Hexes):
+0 (0-6 Hexes), +1 (7-9 Hexes), +2 (10-12 Hexes), +4 (13-15 Hexes), +5 (16-18 Hexes)
Maximum Weapon Damage (# of Troopers):
19 (28), 18 (27-26), 17 (25), 16 (24-23), 15 (22), 14 (21-20), 13 (19), 12 (18-17), 11 (16), 10 (15-14), 9 (13), 8 (12), 7 (11-10), 6 (9), 5 (8-7), 4 (6), 3 (5-4), 2 (3), 1 (2-1)
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Previously mentioned vehicles have been refit with ams wherever doable. Ams para tank has been removed due to units being before advanced
point defense system. Some new units have been added.
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Due to the ability of inferno rounds to set tiles on fire it was considered nessesary to be able to put tiles out to save units. There remained enough space in said unit for a field kitchen and a er ppc.

Firefighter Infantry Support Tank x2 units per force

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 21.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 ER PPC
2 Fluid Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3065
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Cost: 1,553,750 C-bills

Type: Firefighter
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 529

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 5
Engine 100 Fusion 4.5
   Cruising MP: 2
   Flank MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 15 5
Control Equipment: 2.5
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 1.5
Armor Factor (Ferro) 98 5.5

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 5 26
R/L Side 5/5 19/19
Rear 5 15
Turret 5 19

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
2 Fluid Gun Turret 4.0
ER PPC Turret 7.0
MASH Equipment (1 theater) Body 3.5
2 Fluid Suction System Body 2.0
Field Kitchen Body 3.0
4 Liquid Storage (0.5 tons) Body 2.0
Vehicular DropChute Body 2.5
Targeting Computer BD 2.0
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Primus203 · « **Reply #11 on:** 01 March 2024, 01:44:56 »

Continued due to lack of room

The lrm para tank as well as several others were made in response to the proposition of using light artillery such as mech mortars to reduce the force at standoff distance having anywhere from slightly to much greater range.

Lrm Para Tank x2 per force

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 21.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Extended LRM 20
1 Laser AMS
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3065
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Cost: 3,725,000 C-bills

Type: Lrm Para
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 847

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 5
Engine 100 Fusion 4.5
   Cruising MP: 2
   Flank MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Control Equipment: 2.5
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 2.0
Armor Factor (Ferro) 125 7

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 5 31
R/L Side 5/5 25/25
Rear 5 19
Turret 5 25

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
Extended LRM 20 Turret 18.0
Laser AMS Turret 1.5
Extended LRM 20 Ammo (20) Body 5.0
Angel ECM Suite Body 2.0
Vehicular DropChute Body 2.5
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PPC Para Tank x4 per force

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 21.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 ER PPC
5 Rocket Launcher 10
1 Laser AMS
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3065
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Cost: 2,924,750 C-bills

Type: PPC Para
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 799

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 5
Engine 100 Fusion 4.5
   Cruising MP: 2
   Flank MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 22 12
Control Equipment: 2.5
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 1.5
Armor Factor (Ferro) 125 7

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 5 31
R/L Side 5/5 25/25
Rear 5 19
Turret 5 25

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
ER PPC Turret 7.0
Laser AMS Turret 1.5
5 Rocket Launcher 10 Turret 2.5
Angel ECM Suite Body 2.0
Vehicular DropChute Body 2.5
Targeting Computer BD 2.0
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Skyshield Infantry Support Tank x6 per force

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 21.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 LB 5-X AC
1 Laser AMS
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3065
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 2,189,000 C-bills

Type: Skyshield
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 529

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 5
Engine 100 Fusion 4.5
   Cruising MP: 2
   Flank MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Control Equipment: 2.5
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 2.0
Armor Factor (Ferro) 89 5

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 5 24
R/L Side 5/5 17/17
Rear 5 14
Turret 5 17

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
Bulldozer Front 2.0
2 LB 5-X AC Turret 16.0
Laser AMS Turret 1.5
Vehicular DropChute Body 2.0
CASE Body 0.5
LB 5-X Cluster Ammo (100) Body 5.0
Targeting Computer BD 4.0
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Sniper Infantry Support Tank x2 per force

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 21.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 32.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Laser AMS
1 Sniper
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3065
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-E
Cost: 1,648,250 C-bills

Type: Sniper
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 408

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 5
Engine 100 Fusion 4.5
   Cruising MP: 2
   Flank MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Control Equipment: 2.5
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 2.5
Armor Factor (Ferro) 71 4

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 5 18
R/L Side 5/5 14/14
Rear 5 11
Turret 5 14

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
Sniper Turret 20.0
Laser AMS Turret 1.5
Fuel-Air Sniper Ammo (20) Body 2.0
Vehicular DropChute Body 2.0
Sniper Ammo (40) Body 4.0
Cluster Sniper Ammo (20) Body 2.0
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One of the issues listed as greatest was the lack of flanking units as such hover craft units that are part of other drop forces have been modified for ragnarok air drop. Fast and acceptably armored their only particular downside is higher unit cost due to xl engines and no air defense as their companion air defense hovercraft is missing.
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Laser Boxer Para Hovertank x4 per force sacrifices two tons of armor to fit dropchute

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Hover
Power Plant: 265 XL
Cruising Speed: 108 kph
Maximum Speed: 162 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
4 Medium Laser
1 Laser AMS
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3060
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 8,609,667 C-bills

Type: Laser Boxer Para
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Hover
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 1,062

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 5
Engine 265 XL 10.5
   Cruising MP: 10
   Flank MP: 15
Heat Sinks: 19 9
Control Equipment: 2.5
Lift Equipment: 5.0
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 0.5
Armor Factor (Ferro) 161 9

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 5 40
R/L Side 5/5 32/32
Rear 5 25
Turret 5 32

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
Laser AMS Front 1.5
4 Medium Laser Turret 4.0
Vehicular DropChute Body 2.0
Targeting Computer BD 1.0
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Laser Devastator Para Hovertank x4 per force sacrifices small pulse laser gains dropchute and one ton of armor

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Hover
Power Plant: 265 XL
Cruising Speed: 108 kph
Maximum Speed: 162 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Laser AMS
1 ER Large Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3060
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 8,614,667 C-bills

Type: Laser Devastator Para
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Hover
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 891

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 5
Engine 265 XL 10.5
   Cruising MP: 10
   Flank MP: 15
Heat Sinks: 19 9
Control Equipment: 2.5
Lift Equipment: 5.0
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 1.0
Armor Factor (Ferro) 116 6.5

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 5 29
R/L Side 5/5 23/23
Rear 5 18
Turret 5 23

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
ER Large Laser Turret 5.0
Laser AMS Turret 1.5
Vehicular DropChute Body 2.0
Targeting Computer BD 2.0
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And lastly both forces receive a half lance of heavy defense mechs.

UrbanLord Drop Urb-EX-888D x2 units per force. A drop modified urbanlord added jumpjet to get to ground. Removal of two er ppc reduces heat enough to allow reduction of engine rating down to three movement freeing twenty tons. ppc replaced with two gauss rifles and supplemented with four er med laser low heat of gauss allows all weapons to be fired. Low ammo capacity mitigated by being close to ammo stocks.

Mass: 100 tons
Chassis: UrbanLord
Power Plant: 240 Super XL
Cruising Speed: 32.4 kph
Maximum Speed: 54 kph
Jump Jets: Standard
Jump Capacity: 30 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
4 ER Medium Laser
2 Gauss Rifle
1 Laser AMS
Manufacturer: Custom Mechs
Primary Factory: Custom Mechs
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3060
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 26,036,000 C-bills

Type: UrbanLord Drop
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 100
Battle Value: 2,591

Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 10
Engine 300 XL 9.5
   Walking MP: 3
   Running MP: 5
   Jumping MP: 1
Double Heat Sink 17 [34] 7
Gyro 3
Cockpit 3
Armor Factor 304 19

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head 3 9
Center Torso 31 46
Center Torso (rear) 15
R/L Torso 21 32
R/L Torso (rear) 10
R/L Arm 17 33
R/L Leg 21 42

Right Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand
Left Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand

Weapons
and Ammo Location Critical Heat Tonnage
2 ER Medium Laser LL 2 5 2.0
Laser AMS CT 2 7 1.5
Jump Jet RT 1 - 2.0
2 Double Heat Sink RT 6 - 2.0
Targeting Computer RT 2 - 9.0
Gauss Rifle LA 7 1 15.0
Gauss Rifle Ammo (8) LA 1 - 1.0
3 Double Heat Sink LT 9 - 3.0
2 ER Medium Laser RL 2 5 2.0
Gauss Rifle RA 7 1 15.0
Gauss Rifle Ammo (8) RA 1 - 1.0
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So this is the latest and possibly last evolution of my ragnaroks drop force concept. Also because I'm unsure would my fifty ton hovercraft fit in the light vehicle bay still past fifty tons for hovercraft is considered superheavy for them.

maxcarrion · « **Reply #12 on:** 01 March 2024, 12:01:49 »

That's a lot of information to parse, but at a quick skim some initial thoughts.

That PWS dropper is a terrible choice, the incredible price tag dwarfs anything this unit could tactically achieve and is by far the most vulnerable part of this force. Super heavy aerodyne would imply an intent to fly it in atmosphere? Especially as we are talking about paradropping which would imply both in atmosphere and near enemy forces.
Which is a very quick way to be shot down by the first artillery piece to draw a line of sight and lose the entire force.

I would look to construct the entire force differently as the all eggs in one basket approach with the single air element dwarfing the cost of the entire ground force puts this squarely in the strategically indefensible bucket.

Secondly - the force is slow and based around infantry, it's asking to be outmanoeuvred and out ranged. I'd have to look up exactly what all the various modifications actually work out as but I suspect a whole load of AOE and burst weapons would eventually butcher them. If they could force a favourable engagement, such as a city fight, they could be pretty nasty but on an open field? Even in a city fight, the cost of bringing them to bear with the dropship and support vehicles - how would they fare against dirt cheap jump infantry outnumbered 10 to 1?

The "mobile" bases are just a rod for your back, a target you would have to defend and probably couldn't.

My first thoughts would be the force would be better suited to
- A smaller PWS/Carrier to control black water and provide Otillery and air support base
- A much smaller dropper to deliver the force to target
- air support (ASF)
- air mobility (small craft?) replacing the mobile bases with small craft would allow much more mobility
- APC/IFV mobility for some/all infantry units allowing rapid redeployment
- Much faster ground vehicles, a 2/3 50T fusion tank is asking for trouble.

AlphaMirage · « **Reply #13 on:** 01 March 2024, 13:02:43 »

Agreed once more. The strategic weakness of a unit to large to fit in such a vulnerable vessel (which can barely sustain them in transit from the jump point) remains severe. It lacks mobility to threaten objectives by itself while costing a Warship and its dropship allotment in the process. I can throw incredible amounts of mines into their path which would further slow them or drain them of ammo (which they have to much of IMO) and manpower until thy starve or run out of juice (even support energy weapons need batteries eventually and those cyborgs need their drugs).

You need less infantry (to reduce consumables burden and cost), faster vehicles (for exploiting your now less infantry more effectively), and more cargo in order to make an all in one concept work.

Your core IMO could be to use a much smaller number of cyborg Death Troopers (keep Dermal Armor and TSM lose Camo and Sensors) or Armored Infantry paradropping from Small Craft in order to hold a dropzone. They can then be augmented by less cybered or simply sneak suited Motorized Infantry (keep Camo, Sensors, and MASC lose Dermal Armor) unburdened with a field gun and armed instead with say Tsunami Gauss Rifles for range. These can scout, form a perimeter, and deny intel to the enemy and be carried on the landing ships. Then you can drop in more ammo and infantry, the vehicles (via shuttling small craft with Light Vehicle Bays), and remove the wounded (to the dropship's medical bays) in order to take the other objectives in the area.

These vehicles IMO should be hovercraft in the vein of the Regulator if not an Omni-Regulator (to allow Armored Infantry riders on the outside and Cyborg Death Troopers inside) as that is about peak hover BV for the price in mass and c-bills. Move fast, hit hard, take a few punches, head to the next dropzone, pick up more ammo, rotate troops and vehicles to the dropship as they take damage. That is a much harder opponent to face than a glacier grinding one and more supportable from a single ship.

This keeps your very expensive dropship safe and gives you greater strategic maneuverability. You want to keep the Ragnarok in space (within SCL bombardment range) as much as possible but it still needs to be escorted by another ship and Aerospace Fighters because its still a prime target. Basically treat it like a Warship because it costs as much as one. It should only come down when there is no risk to it from the enemy.

maxcarrion · « **Reply #14 on:** 01 March 2024, 13:58:57 »

Just to throw a little perspective you can get a leopard dropper, refit it for BA and paradrop 400 medium BA for less than half a billion cbills. While your force could probably repel 1 such unit the dropper alone costs as much as 7 before you put a single trooper onboard.

Primus203 · « **Reply #15 on:** 04 March 2024, 01:15:09 »

So first things first infantry cost modifiers are stupid so the same infantry unit my G.I. with the same equipment as the paratrooper variant costs a little under a third as much. Combined with a simple hover apc I made that has fifteen tons of troop space and ten movement and has a parachute letting me remove the paratrooper training I save almost thirty six million even accounting for almost eight million for the apc.

Also before you wonder why the apc seems so pricy its got xl to keep up with the rest of the hover fleet.

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