Kuritan-flavored combined arms

[Gracus]

Comparing US Navy torpedoes to IJN torpedoes is like comparing 3025 tech to Clan tech. Japanese torpedoes (particularly their mainstay, the Long Lance) were superior in every way to US Navy torpedoes.

It wasn't enough to be decisive because American industry and air power trumped the torpedo advantage.

And US tech improved and the IJN used it's subs ineffectually and the US adjusted tactics and strategy to address it's deficits. 

[Onisuzume]

Why does the MUL have only one Void (Caltrop) in the database?
I'm pretty certain that the DC has access to at least two other variants (Support PPC and Small Laser).
Possibly the Nova Cat variant as well.

[Neufeld]

Why does the MUL have only one Void (Caltrop) in the database?
I'm pretty certain that the DC has access to at least two other variants (Support PPC and Small Laser).
Possibly the Nova Cat variant as well.

Because there are no battle armor record sheets in RS3075Unabridged.

[deathfrombeyond]

And US tech improved and the IJN used it's subs ineffectually and the US adjusted tactics and strategy to address it's deficits.

Yes, much like the Inner Sphere did.

Still, it's generally a mistake for someone piloting a SphereTech machine to go one on one with a similarly skilled pilot in a Clantech machine, just like it was for the US Navy to ignore effective tactics and to try to duel the Japanese Navy with torpedoes.

[3rdCrucisLancers]

Kindly don't derail my thread with this.

[Warpimp]

So have you decided on a force?

[3rdCrucisLancers]

So have you decided on a force?

I'm holding off on the vehicle side of things (I definitely want Hiryo-borne Kanazuchis, though), but I've been thinking a lot about the 'mech side of things.

One company I'm considering is:

PNT-12K2 Panther
WGT-1LAW/SC Wight
JR7-C2 Jenner
JR7-C3 Jenner

Pursuit Lance:
Mad Cat III
WVR-9K Wolverine
DGR-7K Grand Dragon
WFT-2B Wolf Trap

Assault Lance
CGR-KMZ Charger
HTM-27U Hatamoto-Hi
Sunder E(?)
WHM-8K Warhammer

However, I feel the Panther is too slow for the recon lance. I've been trying to decide what to swap it out for. Likewise I worry the Wolverine brings the speed of the Pursuit Lance down too much.

[Warpimp]

I think the panther is fine as fire support for the recon lance. The wolverine's JJ make it a bit more mobile so it should be able to keep up.

[Kojak]

I'd swap the Wolverine for a Ninja-to NJT-2 (if that's the one with twin PPCs). Likewise, I'd swap the Hatamoto for a Naginata, that way you can get some use out of some of those C3 links (or if you want to get really clever, bring a BLR-CM BattleMaster and you can link in all your C3 units). Finally, I'd swap the Panther for another Wight. Or maybe an adorable little -7B Kabuto (DOMPA DOMPA DOMPA).

To back that up, I'd bring a couple of Schiltrons backed by a couple of gauss Demolishers, a pair of those new HPPC Manticores and a couple of Tokugawas, and then some combo of Peggys, Yashas and Hiryos for more mobile firepower. Suit-wise, the Kanazuchi is great, although I'd probably leaven them with some Voids.

[Onisuzume]

Because there are no battle armor record sheets in RS3075Unabridged.

>_>
Right.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Catalyst is getting behind with unabridging the Unabridged record sheets. :P

[3rdCrucisLancers]

Recon Lance:
KBO-7B Kabuto
WGT-1LAW/SC Wight
JR7-C2 Jenner
JR7-C3 Jenner

Pursuit Lance:
Mad Cat III
TDR-60-RLA Thunderbolt
DGR-7K Grand Dragon
WFT-2B Wolf Trap

Assault Lance
CGR-KMZ Charger
HTM-27U Hatamoto-Hi
Sunder E(?)
WHM-8K Warhammer

I'm only going to go C3 for one company, and this isn't it, because it's always a pain to calculate. I figured the Gorilla Thud was a good addition to the pursuit lance, providing a lot of close-up punch and keeping the speed at 6/9 for the lance. Of course, that leaves the recon Wight as the slowest unit in its lance, but I figure it can hold back and blow holes in anything that's threatening its little buddies.

[Hellraiser]

Say you're building a Kuritan combined arms force, maybe a battalion strong. What non-mech units do you feel are particularly effective, or particularly flavorful? Alternately, I will accept units you have a sentimental fondness for, provided you explain why. Go! 

All Scarborough (sp) Hovercraft...........  Scimitar, Saladin, Saracen, Pegasus, & Maxim !!

[Kojak]

I'm only going to go C3 for one company, and this isn't it, because it's always a pain to calculate. I figured the Gorilla Thud was a good addition to the pursuit lance, providing a lot of close-up punch and keeping the speed at 6/9 for the lance. Of course, that leaves the recon Wight as the slowest unit in its lance, but I figure it can hold back and blow holes in anything that's threatening its little buddies.

It just occurred to me: have you considered using a Morrigan 2 in place of the Wight (or the JR7-C3)? I mean, as long as you're already using the Mad Cat III, you might as well go all nine Clantech yards (which are half again as long as Inner Sphere yards).

[3rdCrucisLancers]

It just occurred to me: have you considered using a Morrigan 2 in place of the Wight (or the JR7-C3)? I mean, as long as you're already using the Mad Cat III, you might as well go all nine Clantech yards (which are half again as long as Inner Sphere yards).

I want to, but there's no mini! It's a sweet light 'mech for the Combine, though.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

What about the Ocelot?  Isn't that on the Combine list?

[Kojak]

Oh, right, I keep forgetting that you're playing tabletop and not MegaMek. But now that I'm on that train of thought, to bring things back around to the original topic, how about some Clan tanks? I'm pretty sure that the DCMS uses a not-insignificant number of both Ishtars and Shodens, and those are both pretty nasty heavy tanks. And there's the SM-series hovertanks, and the Hachiman is a pretty nice fire support unit. These are all common Nova Cat units and thus I'd imagine they're used by numerous frontline DCMS tank units.

[Kojak]

What about the Ocelot?  Isn't that on the Combine list?

Oooh, yeah, I'd completely forgotten about that thing. The Ocelot 3 in particular is amazing, it's like a Wolfhound on PCP.

[3rdCrucisLancers]

What about the Ocelot?  Isn't that on the Combine list?

Weirdly enough, no.

Oh, right, I keep forgetting that you're playing tabletop and not MegaMek. But now that I'm on that train of thought, to bring things back around to the original topic, how about some Clan tanks? I'm pretty sure that the DCMS uses a not-insignificant number of both Ishtars and Shodens, and those are both pretty nasty heavy tanks. And there's the SM-series hovertanks, and the Hachiman is a pretty nice fire support unit. These are all common Nova Cat units and thus I'd imagine they're used by numerous frontline DCMS tank units.

It's certainly my plan to use some SM1s and Jousts, if nothing else. I like the idea of emphasizing the increased level of clantech available to both sides in the game I'm planning on running (AFFS/DCMS).

[False Son]

Sadly, until the minis come out most of DC's best conventional units won't be an option.

But, i've had great success with the J. Edgar Hoover, Pegasus and Tokugawas.  Schiltrons can be very dangerous, but due to their wheeled movement (a painful constant in DC tanks) and their somewhat thing armor it can be tricky to use, like everything else DC.

Tokugawas are pretty straight forward and provide one of the few sources of LB10Xs in the Combine.

Scimtar's, J. Edgar Hoovers and Pegasus make great flanking or pursuit units while the mechs pound the enemy down.

Crows are nice by Combine standards, overshadowed by things like Cavalries and Mantis, but still effective.


By any chance is there a Daimyo HQ model floating out there?  Those rock with the mobile HQ/satellite uplink rules in effect.