Unified Doctor Who thread

[gyedid]

(Of course I'm still waiting for that Captain Jack/River Song spin-off show... :D :D :D Can you imagine the sparks? :D)

Of friction, as they fight over the Doctor!  ;D  ;D

cheers,

Gabe

[ClarkeMarek]

Poor Osgood.   :'(

[Grognard]

not impressed with the season ending.

overall, this season with Cipaldi: very, very unimpressed.

what is BBC trying to do? product crap for ScyFy to rerun?

[Ruger]

Poor Osgood.   :'(

That was almost painful...

Definitely loved the tributes to the Brigadier...and Kate's introduction of herself to the Cybermen was bloody brilliant...

Ruger

[jimdigris]

I'm still without a clue about what the Doctor found at the end of the show.

[YingJanshi]

I guess I'm the only one that wasn't in any way affected by Osgood's death. To me she was never an actual character, but simply a forgettable caricature of the fans from a forgettable episode.


It might be because this was simply the "resolution" half of a two partner, but I found it rather flat. Certainly compared to the tension of last week's. The tribute to the Brig was great, as was seeing Kate again. Hopefully she and UNIT will be back for more episodes. (Though....nuWho hasn't really been very nice to UNIT).

I'm still without a clue about what the Doctor found at the end of the show.

No Gallifrey.

[monbvol]

Yeah not a great ender but it certainly did have some moments that I liked.

Kate and her dad was a nice touch but I think my favorite was the stinger.  Got a good laugh out of me.

[Lorcan Nagle]

And at this point Julia Deakin, Katy Carmichael and Mark Heap are the only Spaced alumni yet to appear in Doctor Who.

[mdauben]

I finally got a chance to watch the two part season finale today and (unlike a lot of people it seems) I really liked them.  Some excitement, some fansquee, even some emotion. 

I'm not sure about everyone else, but I was quite surprised by the revelation that Missy was The Master.  The whole giving control of the Cybermen to the Doctor was I thought a cool idea in light of the Doctor's ongoing moral dilemma this season.


I never particularly cared for either Clara or her relationship with Danny Pink, but I still got a bit caught up in the emotions of him being a Cyberman, saving her, and in the end not coming back in favor of the boy he accidentally killed in the war.


The irony of both the Doctor and Clara, giving up their relationship under the false impression that they were doing the other a favor so their friend could be happy was probably the first time I actually felt anything for Clara beside mild annoyance.  ;) 


Now, I'll just have to wait for more...  :'(

[ClarkeMarek]

I finally got a chance to watch the two part season finale today and (unlike a lot of people it seems) I really liked them.  Some excitement, some fansquee, even some emotion. 

I'm not sure about everyone else, but I was quite surprised by the revelation that Missy was The Master.  The whole giving control of the Cybermen to the Doctor was I thought a cool idea in light of the Doctor's ongoing moral dilemma this season.

At least the Doctor has morals.  Though it probably didn't occur to the Master/Mistress after all these years that the best way of ruling the universe is being an idiot and not wanting to (or having no desire to) rule the universe.

...

Wait, didn't they cover that on Pinky and the Brain once? :P

That said, I liked the episode, and I don't mean to sound harsh with my spoiler.

[Lore]

No Gallifrey.

I think that was just half of it, actually. The remaining half, I believe, was that *THIS* Doctor found himself vulnerable enough [or perhaps, desperate enough] to take Missy's "conviction" that she'd found Gallifrey, seriously.

In other words, I do think he was starting to accept that Missy was telling the truth. Forgetting the one cardinal rule when it comes to dealing with Time Lords... that they almost always lie.

[monbvol]

I actually quite suspect Missy/The Master told a half truth.  Gallifrey hasn't moved, why would it?  But it is still in another dimension and thus quite inaccessible.

[mathesont]

A dismal end to a dismal season.  And the teaser for the Christmas Special actually made my wife groan - visiting relatives might be a better option for once. 

[William J. Pennington]

Has there been a deliberate choice to make the fans hate Clara this season? Did the actress irritate show writers at the end of last season? The character seems to be very inconsistent with last season, and written o be deliberately unlikeable and foolish.

I feel a little let down by the build up. I wanted to see the use of many of those who died and were 'greeted' by Missi in earlier episodes. But there was a lot I enjoyed. I'm ok with the Doctor, but the failings of the proper use of the Companion and Villain made it well, not bad, just nto as good as it could have been.

[Lazarus Jaguar]

Not impressed.  Missy was almost tolerab!e, but other than that whole thing was a whole lot of blah.

And leave it to Moffat, he finally has the balls to kill a cbaracter, and it's one of the few of his I actually liked.  Its almost like hewants people to stop watching the show.

[YingJanshi]

Has there been a deliberate choice to make the fans hate Clara this season? Did the actress irritate show writers at the end of last season? The character seems to be very inconsistent with last season, and written o be deliberately unlikeable and foolish.

Really? I've found her much more interesting and have more depth to her character than she did last season. Last season it was almost like she was just the Doctor's pet. He wasn't really interest in HER, just in the mystery ABOUT her. This season she actually feels like a real person now. Reacting in real ways to the stuff the Doctor pulls. Not just going about in blind faith like companions really do. She has the guys to call the Doctor out when she feels the need to. (Such as the Doctor abandoning her during "Kill the Moon".) The only other companions I can think of that did that were Romana, Ace and Donna (such as "Fires of Pompeii".) Personally I find Clara to be the best female character that Moffet has created. (Amy wasn't really very interesting. Basically what a 14 year old boy would write as a character and the less said of River Song the better...)

[monbvol]

I haven't seen enough of Romana and Ace to say where I'd rate Clara as a companion versus them but versus the ones I have seen enough of I'd say she's more of a character than Amy for sure but only just but Donna Noble is easily a more developed character.

[William J. Pennington]

Not impressed.  Missy was almost tolerab!e, but other than that whole thing was a whole lot of blah.

And leave it to Moffat, he finally has the balls to kill a cbaracter, and it's one of the few of his I actually liked.  Its almost like hewants people to stop watching the show.

Maybe he killed the spare.

[mdauben]

And leave it to Moffat, he finally has the balls to kill a cbaracter, and it's one of the few of his I actually liked.  Its almost like hewants people to stop watching the show.

Are you talking about Danny?  I thought overall he was just a walking plot device, there to feed Clara prompts about how she should feel about the Doctor and highlight the whole issue of Clara being "addicted" to traveling with the Doctor.  Overall, his whole relationship with Clara seemed forced and unrealistic and I don't think they ever really justified the "love" that she felt for him in the finale.  The season finale was the closest I came to actually caring about him, and that was not all that close.   ;)

Slight digression, what happened to that supposed descendant of Danny Pink in Listen?  There was no suggestion that Clara was pregnant at the end of this season AFAIK, and no suggestion that he might have children from a previous relationship, either.  So, how did he have a descendant?   ???

I haven't seen enough of Romana and Ace to say where I'd rate Clara as a companion versus them but versus the ones I have seen enough of I'd say she's more of a character than Amy for sure but only just but Donna Noble is easily a more developed character.

I don't know what it was, but I never warmed to Clara.  She seemed to alternate between plot device and grating distraction from the story.  I actually liked Amy a bit more, but I'll admit I wasn't a truly dedicated viewer of her run on the show and probably only caught half her episodes, often out of chronological order.  I know I was much sadder to see Amy disappear in The Angels Take Manhattan than I was to see Clara walk away in Death in Heaven.

Maybe I just like redheads better.   ;D

[GreenDragon]

I'm shocked that with Companions coming back from the grave, that Moffatt didn't have Amy and Rory Williams show up.

[monbvol]

Slight digression, what happened to that supposed descendant of Danny Pink in Listen?  There was no suggestion that Clara was pregnant at the end of this season AFAIK, and no suggestion that he might have children from a previous relationship, either.  So, how did he have a descendant?   ???

I don't know what it was, but I never warmed to Clara.  She seemed to alternate between plot device and grating distraction from the story.  I actually liked Amy a bit more, but I'll admit I wasn't a truly dedicated viewer of her run on the show and probably only caught half her episodes, often out of chronological order.  I know I was much sadder to see Amy disappear in The Angels Take Manhattan than I was to see Clara walk away in Death in Heaven.

Maybe I just like redheads better.   ;D

In reverse order:

I think it is because Clara in her own way was a worse 14 year old boy's fantasy than Amy was but only slightly more redeemable because she did actually have a few moments where she did stand up to the Doctor.

My personal theory is that what we saw in Listen is not a genetic descendant of Danny Pink but the unnamed boy he sent back taking the Pink name.

[gyedid]

I'm shocked that with Companions coming back from the grave, that Moffatt didn't have Amy and Rory Williams show up.

Or Sarah Jane for that matter  :D

cheers,

Gabe

[Jaim Magnus]

Or Sarah Jane for that matter  :D

cheers,

Gabe

That would be rather difficult.

[YingJanshi]

That would be rather difficult.

No more than it was the Brig....

[monbvol]

Actually that is a good question.  I haven't seen anything that actually says what the fate of the Sarah Jane character was after the actress passed.

[ClarkeMarek]

My personal theory is that what we saw in Listen is not a genetic descendant of Danny Pink but the unnamed boy he sent back taking the Pink name.

I was thinking the same thing.  He probably adopted the "Pink" name in tribute of Danny.

[gyedid]

Slight digression, what happened to that supposed descendant of Danny Pink in Listen?  There was no suggestion that Clara was pregnant at the end of this season AFAIK, and no suggestion that he might have children from a previous relationship, either.  So, how did he have a descendant?   ???

Actually, there was.

If you go over the Post-It notes in Clara's apartment that she was planning to show Danny (which several fan sites have done), you'll see one of them says "three months". 

But, if that were the case, you would've expected her to be much more cut up over Danny's demise, and not be so eager to throw herself into danger with the Doctor again...

Then again, Christmas is supposed to be a time for new birth...


cheers,

Gabe

[gyedid]

I'm going to watch the finale again before giving a full opinion, but I will say that on the whole, it did NOT live up to the setup of "Dark Water".

One thing I DID like though:  Michelle Gomez.  She is a revelation as the new Mad-ster.  Totally blows John Simm out of the water, and the way in which she disposed of Osgood makes her easily the most heinous, odious version of the character since...well...maybe ever!
Notice when she did that, she was affecting an accent similar to Karen Gillan's?

I hope she plays the role for many years to come.  Who needs Charles Dance? :P

cheers,

Gabe

[mdauben]

I think it is because Clara in her own way was a worse 14 year old boy's fantasy than Amy was but only slightly more redeemable because she did actually have a few moments where she did stand up to the Doctor.

I'm not quite sure if you are suggesting I have the reactions of a 14 year old boy, or not...?   ;D

Just to explain, I often found Clara annoying and/or distracting from the episodes storyline in ways that Amy never did.  To me, the only real exception was Flatline where Clara actually shined.  I also thought the Amy/Rory relationship was much better developed and believable than the Clara/Danny one.  I could believe Amy would sacrifice herself to be with Rory, not so much with Clara and Danny.

My personal theory is that what we saw in Listen is not a genetic descendant of Danny Pink but the unnamed boy he sent back taking the Pink name.

But he looked like Danny Pink, which makes no sense if he was some random kid Pink was unrelated to. 

[Medron Pryde]

I'm one of those really weird people who saw Clara before Amy.

I never saw the Matt Smith episodes on first run since my Cable company doesn't have BBC America.  The first Matt Smith episode I saw was the 50th Anniversary Episode, followed by the last Episode of the Matt Smith run.  And in those two episodes we saw a Clara that understood the Doctor, who called the Doctor on his errors, and who was willing to tell the Time Lords what was going on when the Doctor wouldn't say a word to them.  In those episodes she was the perfect companion in my opinion.

Amy never reached those levels in her run in all the episodes I've seen since.  Of course, I can't watch the current run because my Cable company doesn't have BBC America.  So I can't see how she does in this run...:(