Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST

[Sartris]

a RAT review for Tamar Rising, Empire Alone, and Dominions Divided is still in progress.

[CReller]

Hello,

Is there an ETA on the units from RS:3150 and the RS packs released alongside it to be getting their PVs added?

It has been a month or two and while I believe they all have their BVs a fair few have no AS card or PV yet.

Thanks!

[Sartris]

Hi,

Can you give a few examples of records you’re referring to?

Edit: ok I think I see what you mean. They all still have to be processed.

[CReller]

Thanks! I noticed it when I was looking at the Baka IS Standard suits.

While I'm on here typing, should the Mechbuster (Laser) have the ENE Special? It is equipped with three medium lasers instead of the AC20.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Card/2150?skill=4

[IroncladChemist]

Looking at two variants of the Transit aerospace fighter, the TR-10 and TR-12.
The TR-12 has 1 more structure and 1 more thrust compared to the TR-10, plus the FLK special.
Yet the TR-10 costs more PV than the TR-12 (34 v. 33 PV)
Seems weird that a unit that is just better would be cheaper.

[nckestrel]

Looking at two variants of the Transit aerospace fighter, the TR-10 and TR-12.
The TR-12 has 1 more structure and 1 more thrust compared to the TR-10, plus the FLK special.
Yet the TR-10 costs more PV than the TR-12 (34 v. 33 PV)
Seems weird that a unit that is just better would be cheaper.

Wow, that hit a minefield.
The TR-10 is correct.  There is a bug in the recent Aerospace fighter PV errata being applied to only some aerospace fighters and not all.  Thus the TR-12's PV is short of where it should be. 
Heads up to anyone using aerospace fighters, this is going to be hundreds of aerospace fighters going up ~3-4 PV.  Working on full list.

[Sartris]

Thanks! I noticed it when I was looking at the Baka IS Standard suits.

While I'm on here typing, should the Mechbuster (Laser) have the ENE Special? It is equipped with three medium lasers instead of the AC20.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Card/2150?skill=4

sure should. now does.

[Ginoxy]

When browsing the MUL, I found the Victor C in the ComStar faction list during the Clan invasion (3050-3061). I followed the link and was surprised to find Clan Victor from Operation Klondik there. Could it be that you meant the Victor VTR-C? That would also be more logical since this is the Victor with C3 slave and it is also mentioned in the ComStar field manual.

[danilapal]

Two questions.
1) Locust-1E http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1897/locust-lct-1e
People from my local community told me that mech was removed from IS General Availability (Succession War). Is that intentional?
2) Crab CRB-27sl. http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5873/crab-crb-27sl
Battle Value is missing , because record sheet doesn't exist ?

[nckestrel]

Two questions.
1) Locust-1E http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1897/locust-lct-1e
People from my local community told me that mech was removed from IS General Availability (Succession War). Is that intentional?

Yes, the LCT-1E had never had much information on it before, until the First Succession War sourcebook had a technical readout entry on it explaining how it was a Bergan Industries (Capellan) variant, and only shipped to Capellan forces.  The MUL was updated to reflect that information.  This was changed a couple years ago.

2) Crab CRB-27sl. http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5873/crab-crb-27sl
Battle Value is missing , because record sheet doesn't exist ?

Exactly.

[Karasu]

The Kamisori B Alpha strike card is listed as having an MV of 12"t, which is the same as the other configs.  However, the B has a Supercharger, so it ought to have an MV of 15"t, if my calculations are correct.

[Quickpull]

Several units from the ‘Record Sheets: Clan Invasion’ source are not associated with that source:

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Source/Details/437/record-sheets-clan-invasion

Strangely it seems that the Prime, A, and B variants of all the clan mechs are missing.

[Sartris]

Due to limitations of the platform, a sheet can only be associated with a single source. The bulk of the missing items from RS: Clan Invasion point at the Clan Invasion Kickstarter record sheet books (http://masterunitlist.info/Source/Details/510 & http://masterunitlist.info/Source/Details/511 at https://bg.battletech.com/downloads/). We try to direct players to free sheets when possible.

[Empyrus]

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4562/mad-cat-iii-2
Mad Cat III 2 is missing its role and BV. Skirmisher and 1697 according to RS Dark Age.
Mad Cat III (standard) appears as a blank line in the other models lists.

Given the nature of Mad Cat III X as a prototype, should it have Unique in its availability list?

[Karasu]

I've come across a couple of anomalies in the Alpha Strike cards for the following units

The Browning Mobile HQ is listed as having an MV of 14"t, despite being a wheeled vehicle.  The t should be changed to a w.  Note that the only variant the (Half-track) is correctly shown as a t.

The Schrek PPC carrier (Armor) has the ENE and AMS specials, despite having a ballistic Anti-Missile System, not a Laser one.  The ENE should be removed.

[nckestrel]

I've come across a couple of anomalies in the Alpha Strike cards for the following units

The Browning Mobile HQ is listed as having an MV of 14"t, despite being a wheeled vehicle.  The t should be changed to a w.  Note that the only variant the (Half-track) is correctly shown as a t.

Yep, and missing RCN.  Thanks.

The Schrek PPC carrier (Armor) has the ENE and AMS specials, despite having a ballistic Anti-Missile System, not a Laser one.  The ENE should be removed.

The AMS on the record sheet is an error (it's overweight). So AMS was removed and PV lowered.

[Sartris]

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4562/mad-cat-iii-2
Mad Cat III 2 is missing its role and BV. Skirmisher and 1697 according to RS Dark Age.

yes

Mad Cat III (standard) appears as a blank line in the other models lists.

a bug that popped up when we removed (Standard). fortunately, it's an easy fix when found. i assume examples will keep rearing their head until the heat death of the universe

Given the nature of Mad Cat III X as a prototype, should it have Unique in its availability list?

indeed

[Empyrus]

a bug that popped up when we removed (Standard). fortunately, it's an easy fix when found. i assume examples will keep rearing their head until the heat death of the universe

As it happens, the Jade Hawk's standard variant suffers from the same problem.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6565/jade-hawk-jhk-04

[Karasu]

The Buzzard Hover Tank Alpha Strike specials are shown as "FC, SRCH, TUR(2/2/2, IF1)".  I'm not sure whether it's possible to have a special mounted in the turret that isn't already in existence.

The IF1 should either be added to the general specials or taken away from the TUR special.  I believe that two MML7s should probably permit IF1 generally.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

The Warhammer C and Warhammer C 2 are both listed as Standard tech level.  Since they're both Mixed Tech, shouldn't they be Experimental because their introduction date is before Mixed technology units became Standard?  Unless there's been an errata to that rule?

[nckestrel]

The Warhammer C and Warhammer C 2 are both listed as Standard tech level.  Since they're both Mixed Tech, shouldn't they be Experimental because their introduction date is before Mixed technology units became Standard?  Unless there's been an errata to that rule?

If all the equipment exists in both tech bases, then it’s not considered experimental.
So a standard fusion engine exists in both IS and Clan tech bases.  Same with standard internal structure, etc. 

[Empyrus]

Both mechs contain equipment that is not purely All/Clan tech though. The Warhammer C has IS machine guns which are IS tech base, not "all", and the Warhammer C 2 has IS double heat sinks which are likewise not included in tech that is available to both tech bases.
Also both record sheets in RG7 list their rules level as experimental.

[nckestrel]

An updated Recognition Guide vol 7 was released that updated the Rules Level of the Warhammer C and C 2 to Standard on their record sheets.
I don't have the exact wording on the ruling, nor was I the one that made the ruling.  It was a ruling that was handed to us in the form of "the Warhammer C and Warhammer C 2 are standard rules level".  I can give the general idea, but my words or opinions don't matter here, I was just trying to give the general idea of what was going on. 

[Empyrus]

Oh. I see i've forgotten to update that RG then. So many of them...
Also looking at the list of mixed tech variants, they seem to have been largely moved to Standard category from Experimental.

I suppose those units that don't actually have anything "experimental" in them strict reading of construction rules aside especially since mixed tech is nowadays kinda normal and part of BMM. And this way RGs are mostly Standard (and Advanced) units rather than Experimental.
Rules levels differing for eras can certainly be confusing for newer players. Standard from the beginning does make it simpler.

[Weirdo]

I think the Dreadnought Mk II might be in error. Text describes it as only being used in Alphard, the trailers are all Marian Hegemony-only, but the tractor unit is listed under mercenary availability.

[Sartris]

confirmed

[CReller]

The Kite Recon Vehicle (Fusion) is mislabelled as having ART-TC when it is not equipped with a Thumper Cannon (it has two IS MPLs, an Armored Motive System, and an Angel ECM suite).

[Sartris]

stats were definitely copied from the wrong unit. will get the right numbers vetted

[Empyrus]

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2202/mobile-long-tom-artillery-lt-mob-25

The TRO3039 Mobile Long Tom may need AS card review. It seems to have wrong size and too little structure at least.


http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8044/mobile-long-tom-artillery-lt-mob-95
RS3150 Mobile Long Tom seems to have too little structure as well given its mass.

[Richard S.]

Since the combat manuals have rules for using squad-sized (CAR1) infantry formations, could those cards be added to the MUL?