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...a thread for 'Best in ROLE'?

In other words, not best all-arounders, but the best warships you've found a given role for instead?
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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #1 on: 07 April 2023, 11:24:39 »
I really like the Fredasa Corvette in its role in the Clan Naval Toumans, the Zechetinu (and Zec II) are also good choices for the Inner Sphere. They combine the speed and strategic mobility I'd expect of a light ship with some good weapon choices. The Fredasa's low cargo capacity is its biggest weakness but you can carry a Freighter or large transport and get the needed cargo capacity.

The Aegis is a beast at Anti-Warship combat, it needs more fighters to prevent it from being overwhelmed but it can carry them in the quartet of dropships it carries into battle. Its big cargo hold and bigger guns could dominate lesser worlds as long as it maintains local air supremacy to bring those ortillery guns into play.

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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #2 on: 07 April 2023, 16:00:05 »
I'm going to second the Zechetinu(both Blocks). It's an excellent patrol ship, the kind that'll tear the guts out of a pirate raid or regiment(or smaller) level raid that was still so much of the combat in the 3040s-3060s. Best of all, they were actually built in enough quantities that the Free World League actually had a chance to beef up their security across the realm (especially had the Jihad not happened and construction continued).
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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #3 on: 07 April 2023, 17:34:35 »
I like the [i[Eagle[/i], it has a niche that isn't that bad.

Fast, well covered in armor, can dish out point blank rounds or snipe afar.

And especially, working in conjunction with another Eagle protecting a mothership like a Thera.

The plus side is she carries four dropships, so you know, a friend with benefits!

And if you run a FWLN unit, messy!

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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #4 on: 07 April 2023, 19:30:33 »
I'm going with the Vincent... with that many marks, it must be doing a number of things right...  :D

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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #5 on: 07 April 2023, 22:16:49 »
I'm going with the Vincent... with that many marks, it must be doing a number of things right...  :D

OR... Is it so bad that they keep trying to fix it over & over & over & over again  :)



I'm torn between the Fox & the Robinson as my choice for "Ground Taskforce Transport/Escort"   (Escort/Dropship Carrier) ?


For ASF Carrier, I'm a fan of the York, sure, its not an Enterprise/Thera in size but it moves an ASF Regiment or so on a faster frame & could be produced in #s unlike those "super-carriers".


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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #6 on: 08 April 2023, 08:43:54 »
 In modern use, the Vincent is more of a warehouse for the fleet. In that respect, it is not a terrible thing to have, but it is fairly cost inefficient. It also lacks a collar, but 4 small craft mean it can support ships, or ground operations. Its foil, the Mako, has the cargo space of a non-combatant jumpship rather than that of a warship, yet still lacks collars.

 That said, my favorite warship the Zechetinu is indeed awesome at what it does.
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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #7 on: 08 April 2023, 11:04:30 »
Leviathan III…?

I mean armor, guns, Dropships, fighters, Elementals…. Ghost Bears?

I’ll second the Fox as a good ‘carrier’: those five Dropships as well as fighter/small craft support and a decent weapons/speed/armor mix make it a decent Corvette for the era it’s in. A Jack of all Trades really for ground support.

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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #8 on: 08 April 2023, 11:47:21 »
I like the [i[Eagle[/i], it has a niche that isn't that bad.

Fast, well covered in armor, can dish out point blank rounds or snipe afar.

And especially, working in conjunction with another Eagle protecting a mothership like a Thera.

The plus side is she carries four dropships, so you know, a friend with benefits!

And if you run a FWLN unit, messy!

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I think you might be the first person in the history of...ever... to describe the Eagle as armored.
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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #9 on: 08 April 2023, 13:20:55 »
Where else could you repair your depleted armor without resorting to a drydock?

It's Standard armor, not something exoctic, meaning any planet with the ability to produce BAR 10 armor, be it Standard plate or even Heavy Commerical Armor, she can be repaired with minimum dock time...

Why I said that. You do know she carries 69K worth of supplies...

What's stopping from using, say 1,800 tons, as "replacement" armor?

Just need to retire to a uninhabited system to self-repair armor. Now, OTOH, any internals would still need a dock.

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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #10 on: 08 April 2023, 13:51:06 »
My experience with this aspect of the milieu is limited to BattleSpace and the original 2750ish hulls, but I clearly recall Aegises ruling the roost when it came to capital engagements, as AM said.
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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #11 on: 09 April 2023, 00:28:15 »
I'm not actually a fan of the 2750 Aegis layout.  Yes, it has a lot of guns, but most of them are shorter ranged, and they feel very haphazard in their layout.  The 2372 Aegis, however...First, all of the NAC/10s on the 2372 Aegis are at least in 4-gun bays, making them excellent for bracketing fire, increasing your ability to hit at range.

Looking at other ships that are actually quite good but often overlooked:

The Cameron class battlecruiser is massively underestimated, but is actually quite vicious in its layout.

Bear with me now, but the Texas class.  One change would have made this quite possibly the most vicious battleship in the game until the Leviathans debuted: moving the midships Naval laser bays to the fore-sides and moving the fore-side naval PPC bays to the midships.  That would have improved the anti-fighter coverage of those massive NL-45 bays considerably.  As it stands, though, it's still very good.

The Tracker class.  It has the misfortune of having been published before naval comm-scanner rules were published, so it lacks one, but other than that, the Tracker is a near-perfect surveillance ship, Q-ship, or even pirate ship, since it can perfectly duplicate the Merchant class JumpShip in form and function.  It's absolutely brilliant.

Luxor class heavy cruiser: there's a reason the SDS system targeted these so heavily.  They're very well-thought out, well laid-out cruisers.

The Samarkand class carrier is actually an excellent escort carrier and corvette.  Thrust comparable to the Vincent, a full wing of aerospace fighters, just enough anti-capital weaponry to be taken seriously, and actual point defense weapons, all in a 360 kt handy package, with enough cargo to support the fighters and the ship to spare.

The Du Shi Wang class battleship.  Is it built with a specific doctrine in mind bearing in mind the budgetary and industrial limitations of its parent nation?  Yes.  Did that doctrine work?  Mostly.

Athena class cruisers, like the Du Shi Wang, were designed around a specific battle doctrine, and it's one that works, even if it's seldom used.  But, even in the absence of nuclear exchanges, it's still a viable doctrine, and it's well-suited to the work.  Ditto the Cruiser-class cruiser, which came out of the same design study that produced the Athena.  The only thing these ships lack, like nearly every other ship out there, is point-defense guns.

I don't know if I'd call it a great ship, but I've got a bit of a soft spot for the Black Lion I, for obvious reasons. ;)
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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #12 on: 09 April 2023, 03:17:41 »
Personally, I love the Commonwealth-class light cruiser. It’s not exactly how I may have designed it, but it’s not horrible.

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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #13 on: 09 April 2023, 10:24:41 »
 Always liked the Avatar Heavy Cruiser. Good armor, LF Battery, good fuel supply. Good fighter load, decent AA defense (for a SLDF design) and six collars to haul a good sized strike force. Even its ammo supply is good and can keep it in the fight for a long time. The only limit is the single heat sinks which prevent it from being able to use all its firepower at once.

 The Luxor lacks the AA defense of the Avatar, and if the SLDF had just upgraded the heat sinks to doubles and upgraded the armor to Ferro Carbide, I think the Avatar would have been better than the Luxor overall. It also would have been easy to max out the armor for barely a loss to its cargo bay.
 

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« Reply #14 on: 09 April 2023, 10:51:46 »
That's a general problem with all the canon ships.  Max armor is less than a rounding error in every case I can think of.  It's the SI (which determines the max armor) that weighs a lot.

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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #15 on: 09 April 2023, 10:57:28 »
 Luxor has SI of 80, Avatar has an SI of 85, so it could pack even more armor than the Luxor.

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Re: Okay, we've got a "Worst" warship thread, so...how about...
« Reply #16 on: 15 June 2023, 23:12:12 »
I have to go with my design .... the Luxor. Not perfect, but it was a step in the right direction bringing warships in line with the new era of warships. A shame TPTB did not let any survive into the Clan era.
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