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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #570 on: 25 January 2024, 01:18:13 »
I don't know what the minimum order number is to make designing and building a new MBT viable, but that's gotta be on the low-end for sure.

They are not designing and building a new tank (no capabilities for that), this is modernisation of existing Challanger 2 tanks which is being touted as a new tank for PR reasons. 
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #571 on: 28 January 2024, 13:43:16 »
Want to go see a real Tiger Tank?  On of only 10 left..the Vimoutiers Tiger

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #572 on: 28 January 2024, 14:22:52 »
Nice find, thanks DOC! :)

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #573 on: 14 February 2024, 11:07:57 »
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #574 on: 26 February 2024, 05:18:35 »
Old footage of Chobham armour testing

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #575 on: 26 February 2024, 15:17:08 »
Ukraine lost an Abrams.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #576 on: 26 February 2024, 16:52:08 »
Musta been a "golden" BB floating crit roll...

Only way that could have happen.

Sad, hope the crew got out and little or no injuries.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #577 on: 26 February 2024, 17:51:35 »
Musta been a "golden" BB floating crit roll...

Only way that could have happen.

Sad, hope the crew got out and little or no injuries.

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It's still subject to the laws of physics. 9 destroyed in Gulf 1, 35 or so over the course of OIF, plus Iraqi army losses against ISIL and Saudi losses in Yemen.

Plus, none of the export tanks have the DU NERA (Non-Explosive Reactive Armour) arrays. They've been removed and replaced with a different armour package and that conversion process was one reason why Abrams arrived later in Ukraine than the Leopard 2s.

Regardless, the turret front looks undamaged. The M1 isn't significantly better protected from the top or rear than other tanks, although I seem to recall the turret side armour is reasonably heavy even behind the crew compartment. Either way, the entire top and rear are vulnerable. That's hardly a golden BB slipping through a gap in the protection like directly hitting the co-ax or a periscope. Drones being used to make rear/top attacks against tanks has been going on for months now.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #578 on: 26 February 2024, 18:24:08 »
It's crew survival rates that make the Abrams a success story, here's hoping the crew made it out safe.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #579 on: 26 February 2024, 20:21:57 »
It's still subject to the laws of physics. 9 destroyed in Gulf 1, 35 or so over the course of OIF, plus Iraqi army losses against ISIL and Saudi losses in Yemen.

Plus, none of the export tanks have the DU NERA (Non-Explosive Reactive Armour) arrays. They've been removed and replaced with a different armour package and that conversion process was one reason why Abrams arrived later in Ukraine than the Leopard 2s.

Regardless, the turret front looks undamaged. The M1 isn't significantly better protected from the top or rear than other tanks, although I seem to recall the turret side armour is reasonably heavy even behind the crew compartment. Either way, the entire top and rear are vulnerable. That's hardly a golden BB slipping through a gap in the protection like directly hitting the co-ax or a periscope. Drones being used to make rear/top attacks against tanks has been going on for months now.

from the looks of things the main damage is around the engine area, maybe the ammo compartments.

where did you find that pic? would love to learn more of the context.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #580 on: 26 February 2024, 22:05:49 »
If you study the picture it looks like the ammo doors are blown. So I think it suffered an ammo explosion (good thing it has CASE).

From what I understood, this was caused by a Russian drone dropping an RPG round on the roof.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #581 on: 26 February 2024, 22:20:47 »
The real question is whether the armored door that separates the ammunition from the fighting compartment was closed at the time.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #582 on: 27 February 2024, 01:35:14 »
My reference mil analyst says it was hit by a Lancet. Near Adviinka.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #584 on: 27 February 2024, 15:10:10 »
Tanks...get taken out.  They're disposable combat units, it's inevitable that some combination of enemy cleverness, operator mistakes, tactical situation or dumb ass luck is going to take one out.

even an Abrams.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #585 on: 28 February 2024, 07:05:44 »
I will assume that a lot more Abrahams will be taken out in Ucraine if they are used for anything ressembling real combat. Damage beats armor in the current battlefield.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #586 on: 28 February 2024, 08:26:02 »
Abrams, not Abrahams.  There's a lot of ways to kill an Abrams, and there's a lot of ways to not kill one.  What looks like catastrophic damage may just be an ammo explosion and that's something that is easy to repair on the tank because of its armored storage and blow-out panels.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #587 on: 28 February 2024, 09:07:08 »
Abrams, not Abrahams.  There's a lot of ways to kill an Abrams, and there's a lot of ways to not kill one.  What looks like catastrophic damage may just be an ammo explosion and that's something that is easy to repair on the tank because of its armored storage and blow-out panels.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #588 on: 29 March 2024, 14:17:03 »
In 1985 the Standard Manufacturing Company pitched a wheeled Vulcan Air Defense System (VADS) called Excalibur to the U.S. Army.





At the time, the Army had both tracked and towed VADS in service and it wasn't adopted.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #589 on: 29 March 2024, 14:43:42 »
That looks so G.I. Joe it hurts.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #590 on: 29 March 2024, 15:42:57 »
Makes you wonder if there is an inspiration shelf in some designers rooms.

That looks so G.I. Joe it hurts.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #591 on: 29 March 2024, 16:17:14 »
It looks C-130 transportable... I chalk it up to it being ahead of its time...

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #592 on: 29 March 2024, 16:53:35 »
Forget GI Joe, it's Battletech-worthy! I'd buy a lance or two of minis.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #593 on: 29 March 2024, 17:13:23 »
I'll bet the army was still smarting over the Sergeant York.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #594 on: 29 March 2024, 17:18:02 »
It's contemporary with the Linebacker (truck with Stinger missile pods on the back), and while it addressed some of the issues with the M163 VADS, the biggest problem is it still used the same 20mm cannon as the VADS. Bigger calibres were preferred, eg. Gepard.

The LInebacker still has problems keeping up with tanks in terrain, which is I assume why they stuck Stingers on a Bradley instead of the TOWs.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #595 on: 30 March 2024, 03:36:25 »
It's adorable, I want one.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #596 on: 30 March 2024, 07:07:13 »
It's contemporary with the Linebacker (truck with Stinger missile pods on the back), and while it addressed some of the issues with the M163 VADS, the biggest problem is it still used the same 20mm cannon as the VADS. Bigger calibres were preferred, eg. Gepard.

The LInebacker still has problems keeping up with tanks in terrain, which is I assume why they stuck Stingers on a Bradley instead of the TOWs.

Uhm, Worktroll? "Linebacker" is the Bradley version, you're thinking of "Avenger".

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #597 on: 30 March 2024, 07:16:01 »
Chaparral



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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #598 on: 30 March 2024, 11:23:11 »
At least two or three of those were turned into toys for GI Joe. Or at least look very similar to the toys I remember having.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles VI: Eye of the Tiger
« Reply #599 on: 30 March 2024, 16:56:20 »
A LOT of early GI Joe gear was based on prototype stuff. And then they went off the rails :D

 

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