Author Topic: Convince me I need a Summoner (Read 13570 times)

Weirdo · « **Reply #60 on:** 03 July 2013, 07:03:55 »

Quote from: Scotty on 03 July 2013, 00:12:15

Can we take discussion of the usage of omni-configurations elsewhere? The OP was very clear in what he wanted, and this is entirely counter to that entire idea. He is not using custom omni configurations, so the entire point is moot.

What he said. I recall making a customs vs canon thread upforum for this very purpose. Go dig it up and use it, and leave this thread for what the OP meant it for. [copper]

William J. Pennington · « **Reply #61 on:** 03 July 2013, 07:44:07 »

Ok, is there anything else that can help the OP? Available to Adders, at least 5/8/5 is all configurations, and in the heavy range?

Wolflord · « **Reply #62 on:** 03 July 2013, 07:57:42 »

Quote from: William J. Pennington on 03 July 2013, 07:44:07

Ok, is there anything else that can help the OP? Available to Adders, at least 5/8/5 is all configurations, and in the heavy range?

Do the Star Adders have access to the Karhu - my assumption is NO but its the only other 5/8/5 heavy omni I can come up with?

martian · « **Reply #63 on:** 03 July 2013, 08:15:04 »

Quote from: William J. Pennington on 03 July 2013, 07:44:07

Ok, is there anything else that can help the OP? Available to Adders, at least 5/8/5 is all configurations, and in the heavy range?

Considering availability to Adders, 5/8/5, Heavy, two large beam weapons and critseeking ...

Thresher 2
- yes, I know that armor is not exactly strong, but Thresher 2 has got two ER Large Lasers, two SRM-6s and LBX-5, and ER Medium as a backup.
- it moves 5/8(10)/5
- it even looks like Thor a bit
- Diamond Sharks used to sell it, Thresher 2 is the Hell's Horses refit - so after some Trial perhaps?

cold1 · « **Reply #64 on:** 03 July 2013, 10:32:29 »

No Karhu and I doubt you'd see a Thresher in an Alpha Galaxy unit... the Summoner is the only game in town.

I'm using one, it's really a better strategic asset than a duelist, but hey, this is the Star Adders we're talking about.

Y'all talked me into it.

If anyone has more to add feel free, let's try and keep it on the rails less Weirdo come through again and lock it down.

Aleksandr · « **Reply #65 on:** 10 July 2013, 18:31:55 »

I really only use the D config for the Summoner, as far as canon goes - the rest of them are just too under-ammo'd for my tastes. Still, a lot of that probably has to do with the kind of maps I take the Summoners on and my playstyle.

There are some alternatives without going into customs, though - the Stooping Hawk and Septicemia. Yes they're mediums, but their speed is the same and their armor is only about 10 points less. They both have jumping configs, and imo most of their configs carry more reliable firepower than the majority of the Summoner's. Both are still present in the Homeworlds after the Reavings, too.

cold1 · « **Reply #66 on:** 10 July 2013, 19:55:37 »

Oh, there will be Septicemia... several of them.

Savage Coyote · « **Reply #67 on:** 10 July 2013, 22:16:01 »

I've had decent luck with the E configuration as well

Cowdragon · « **Reply #68 on:** 12 July 2013, 12:03:16 »

Quote from: cold1 on 10 July 2013, 19:55:37

Oh, there will be Septicemia... several of them.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and put money on you fielding the Z config...because it makes the most sense and all :P

cold1 · « **Reply #69 on:** 12 July 2013, 20:02:42 »

Quote from: Cowdragon on 12 July 2013, 12:03:16

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and put money on you fielding the Z config...because it makes the most sense and all :P

You mock, but just wait until those Hansa warships start shooting each other cuz an Adder Watch warrior shot them with his mech ;)

Seriously, the non-Z configs are good. But if you pull the NOVA from the E and replace it with whatever... it's a devastating thing. Possibly the best medium mech ever.

TigerShark · « **Reply #70 on:** 12 July 2013, 20:10:16 »

Quote from: cold1 on 12 July 2013, 20:02:42

You mock, but just wait until those Hansa warships start shooting each other cuz an Adder Watch warrior shot them with his mech ;)

Seriously, the non-Z configs are good. But if you pull the NOVA from the E and replace it with whatever... it's a devastating thing. Possibly the best medium mech ever.

Most of the non-Z configs are good. :) The Prime is kind of lame and the D is just downright frustrating with the over-BV'ed UAC/20 weighing it down. (I mean, come on.. same tonnage as a Gauss Rifle. 5 shots vs. 16. No brainer.)

And yes, the E would be a monster with the Nova CEWS/Light TAG stripped out (or the TarComp, if keeping the Nova). It has heat problems, so (2) to (4) DHS really make it shine.

Kit deSummersville · « **Reply #71 on:** 12 July 2013, 20:51:57 »

Luckily the D version of the Summoner doesn't have an autocannon, but the dual larges and mediums tied to a TC make it annoying to fight against.

Trajan Helmer · « **Reply #72 on:** 14 July 2013, 06:09:27 »

Quote from: Kit deSummersville on 12 July 2013, 20:51:57

Luckily the D version of the Summoner doesn't have an autocannon, but the dual larges and mediums tied to a TC make it annoying to fight against.

This one has always sucked for me. I don't get it. Any other config I can rock out with but the D never lasts long and rarely does the kind of damage one would assume it would. #P

Eventually I'll exorcise the demon out of it.

cold1 · « **Reply #73 on:** 14 July 2013, 09:22:14 »

Quote from: TigerShark on 12 July 2013, 20:10:16

Most of the non-Z configs are good. :) The Prime is kind of lame and the D is just downright frustrating with the over-BV'ed UAC/20 weighing it down. (I mean, come on.. same tonnage as a Gauss Rifle. 5 shots vs. 16. No brainer.)

And yes, the E would be a monster with the Nova CEWS/Light TAG stripped out (or the TarComp, if keeping the Nova). It has heat problems, so (2) to (4) DHS really make it shine.

Remove NOVA and TAG, add 2 DHS. Simple fix. The thing is really simple to use too.

Ian Sharpe · « **Reply #74 on:** 14 July 2013, 11:34:21 »

Quote from: Trajan Helmer on 14 July 2013, 06:09:27

This one has always sucked for me. I don't get it. Any other config I can rock out with but the D never lasts long and rarely does the kind of damage one would assume it would. #P

Eventually I'll exorcise the demon out of it.

Its probably my fave config. Great for Dancing the Scars for a Scorpion PC.

martian · « **Reply #75 on:** 14 July 2013, 11:44:40 »

Quote from: Trajan Helmer on 14 July 2013, 06:09:27

This one has always sucked for me. I don't get it. Any other config I can rock out with but the D never lasts long and rarely does the kind of damage one would assume it would. #P

Eventually I'll exorcise the demon out of it.

Or you can just wait for the upcoming Thor II. Perhaps you will have more luck with it. ;)

Kit deSummersville · « **Reply #76 on:** 14 July 2013, 12:01:03 »

Quote from: martian on 14 July 2013, 11:44:40

Or you can just wait for the upcoming Thor II. Perhaps you will have more luck with it. ;)

Are you sure that wasn't in 3085 under a different name? ;)

martian · « **Reply #77 on:** 14 July 2013, 12:33:31 »

Quote from: Kit deSummersville on 14 July 2013, 12:01:03

Are you sure that wasn't in 3085 under a different name? ;)

You mean the Karhu as a rehash of the Summoner? Just as the Bruin is the rehash of the Grizzly on heavier chassis?

Martius · « **Reply #78 on:** 14 July 2013, 12:37:23 »

....I guess he meant the Flamberge.

martian · « **Reply #79 on:** 14 July 2013, 12:45:51 »

Quote from: Martius on 14 July 2013, 12:37:23

....I guess he meant the Flamberge.

Because he created it? That's possible. The Technical Readout: 3145 - The Clans with the Thor II will be published relatively soon ...

cold1 · « **Reply #80 on:** 14 July 2013, 20:09:54 »

Uuuunnnnfortunately, I don't think there will be any Summomer II's for this application.

Love to see it though

Trajan Helmer · « **Reply #81 on:** 16 July 2013, 11:29:21 »

I had a buddy do some tricks with some mech builder program and made a 5/8/8 Summoner with no change in armor or weaponry.

This is neat to me only because I haven't made a custom 'mech in about a decade, methinks. Actually, I can't remember the last time I used a custom 'mech.

TigerShark · « **Reply #82 on:** 16 July 2013, 13:09:42 »

Quote from: Trajan Helmer on 16 July 2013, 11:29:21

I had a buddy do some tricks with some mech builder program and made a 5/8/8 Summoner with no change in armor or weaponry.

This is neat to me only because I haven't made a custom 'mech in about a decade, methinks. Actually, I can't remember the last time I used a custom 'mech.

The base chassis of an OmniMech can't be altered, including the jump jets. Unless it's 100% custom, then it's not a Summoner anyhow. :)