Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST

[Karasu]

I came across one, and then did a search to find the other 3.
The following 4 units have both the CASE and ENE specials on their Alpha Strike cards.  I believe they should be mutually exculsive:

Strider SR1-OM  -  No ammo that I can see, so should probably just have ENE.
Catapult CPLT-C6  -  Qualifies for both CASE and ENE, but CASE is superfluous (or confusing) rules-wise.
Hephaestus Scout Tank D  - Has AP Gauss, which I think is explosive, so should have CASE but not ENE.
Demon Tank (PPC)  -  No ammo that I can see, so should probably just have ENE.

[nckestrel]

I came across one, and then did a search to find the other 3.
The following 4 units have both the CASE and ENE specials on their Alpha Strike cards.  I believe they should be mutually exculsive:

Strider SR1-OM  -  No ammo that I can see, so should probably just have ENE.
Catapult CPLT-C6  -  Qualifies for both CASE and ENE, but CASE is superfluous (or confusing) rules-wise.
Hephaestus Scout Tank D  - Has AP Gauss, which I think is explosive, so should have CASE but not ENE.
Demon Tank (PPC)  -  No ammo that I can see, so should probably just have ENE.

thanks, fixed.

[Empyrus]

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8315/scorpion-scp-2n

Seems to have wrong BV, by exactly 100. Should be 1562 judging by Megamek and RGvol19 RS.

[Thunder]

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3854/boomerang-spotter-plane

I believe the PV is wrong.

Should be:
thrust 4 gives 1.
2 stucture * 1.2  Rounds to 2.5
RCN 2

5.5 rounds to 6.

[nckestrel]

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3854/boomerang-spotter-plane

I believe the PV is wrong.

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=40232.msg1949103#msg1949103

[Thunder]

Yeah.  Just saw that and grokked it.  Here goes another round of updating my alpha strike cards...  And everything was so tidy too... except for the boomerang.

[Firepigeon]

Cavalier Battle Armor [MG] (Sqd6) is missing. There's Sqd4 and Sqd5 entries but no entry for the Sqd6

[Richard S.]

Since the combat manuals have rules for using squad-sized (CAR1) infantry formations, could those cards be added to the MUL?

Bumping this

[Sartris]

Cavalier Battle Armor [MG] (Sqd6) is missing. There's Sqd4 and Sqd5 entries but no entry for the Sqd6

resolved, thanks.

[Sartris]

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8315/scorpion-scp-2n

Seems to have wrong BV, by exactly 100. Should be 1562 judging by Megamek and RGvol19 RS.

fixed, thanks

[AceRuley]

A few things on the MUL I noticed or request clarification on:

From the Battletech Dossiers: The Bounty Hunter, in the PDF it has a record sheet and info about a Shadow Hawk SHD-5H piloted by Sandy.  However in the MUL the given Shadow Hawk is a SHD-5D.  Also, it appears entries on MUL for the Mad Cat (first version, second is there) and Marauder II are not there.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Source/Details/365

The Blackjack C from the Wolf's Dragoons records is missing a year introduced.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8388/blackjack-c

And finally from the Shrapnel #12 the Jinggau entries seem to have the rules swapped from the MUL.
https://bg.battletech.com/download/Shrapnel%2012.pdf
JN-G7Lr: record sheet says Standard, MUL says Advanced http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9503/jinggau-jn-g7lr
JN-G8Ar: record sheet says Standard, MUL says Advanced http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9502/jinggau-jn-g8ar
JN-G9B: record sheet says Standard, MUL says Advanced http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9501/jinggau-jn-g9b
JN-G9CCr: record sheet says Advanced, MUL says Standard http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9504/jinggau-jn-g9ccr

Thank you

[nckestrel]

A few things on the MUL I noticed or request clarification on:

From the Battletech Dossiers: The Bounty Hunter, in the PDF it has a record sheet and info about a Shadow Hawk SHD-5H piloted by Sandy.  However in the MUL the given Shadow Hawk is a SHD-5D.  Also, it appears entries on MUL for the Mad Cat (first version, second is there) and Marauder II are not there.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Source/Details/365

The SHD-5D change is intentional. There is no SHD-5H. It was a typo.
The Mad Cats and Marauder IIs are duplicates of existing record sheets. The MUL is technically incapable of listing multiple RS sources for a unit, so we prioritize free downloads and then larger compilations of RS. In these cases, Record Sheets: Clan Invasion.

The Blackjack C from the Wolf's Dragoons records is missing a year introduced.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8388/blackjack-c

Yes, we don't know one yet.

And finally from the Shrapnel #12 the Jinggau entries seem to have the rules swapped from the MUL.
https://bg.battletech.com/download/Shrapnel%2012.pdf
JN-G7Lr: record sheet says Standard, MUL says Advanced http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9503/jinggau-jn-g7lr
JN-G8Ar: record sheet says Standard, MUL says Advanced http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9502/jinggau-jn-g8ar
JN-G9B: record sheet says Standard, MUL says Advanced http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9501/jinggau-jn-g9b
JN-G9CCr: record sheet says Advanced, MUL says Standard http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9504/jinggau-jn-g9ccr

Still checking these...

[Sartris]

the record sheets are incorrect in all instances

JN-G7Lr: Advanced due to armored components
JN-G8Ar / JN-G9B: Advanced. Mixed Tech doesn't become standard until 3082
JN-G9CCr: Standard. All components are standard by the 3110s

[wantec]

Stormbird (Jade Falcon) - http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9415/stormbird-battle-armor-jade-falcon-sqd5

For all squad sizes, the AS card has XMEC, but I think it should also have MEC. The BA has 1 basic manipulator to qualify for OmniMech mechanization. The XMEC ability causes a carrying 'Mech to lose 2 inches of movment per turn, while MEC has no such reduction.

[nckestrel]

Stormbird (Jade Falcon) - http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9415/stormbird-battle-armor-jade-falcon-sqd5

For all squad sizes, the AS card has XMEC, but I think it should also have MEC. The BA has 1 basic manipulator to qualify for OmniMech mechanization. The XMEC ability causes a carrying 'Mech to lose 2 inches of movment per turn, while MEC has no such reduction.

XMEC does not reduce movement if the unit has OMNI.  It functions exactly like MEC on an OMNI unit, so there's no need for the MEC special.  (Note this was added as errata to the 5th printing, so if you have an earlier printing, check the errata document under Transporting Infantry).

[Sartris]

Some of these are in RS books with roles

Araña - Striker
Mad Cat III 2 - Skirmisher
Shrike "Black Rose" - Sniper


the remainder will be assigned by Role Master Diviner-in-Chief NCKestrel once he communes with the proper entities.

Ostscout IIC
Ryoken II (Tassa)
Wheeled Scout
Desert Scorpion Light Tank
Tiger Medium Tank (Prototype)
Rhino Battle Armour
St. Florian FLN-366-M FireMech MOD

[Greatclub]

I'd really have preferred that the MUL had not associated the classics with RG collections. I used to use the MUL to figure out what RG a given mech was in, and given that I have all the RG, the collection isn't on my acquisition list.

[Sartris]

Tiger Medium Tank (Prototype)

this was the only one not assigned a role since no RS exists

[Empyrus]

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3585/wolverine-ii-wvr-7h

Is the Draconis Combine getting the Wolverine II during the Jihad era an error or intended? After the Jihad they no longer get the Wolverine II but suddenly the Capellans get it.

[Gribbly]

Has there been any update or further progress on the pre-invasion Clan availabilities?

[Sartris]

Has there been any update or further progress on the pre-invasion Clan availabilities?

still significant work to do, but the hardest part is done.

[Sartris]

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3585/wolverine-ii-wvr-7h

Is the Draconis Combine getting the Wolverine II during the Jihad era an error or intended? After the Jihad they no longer get the Wolverine II but suddenly the Capellans get it.

bit of a knot to untangle but we'll update when we figure it out

[ShroudedSciuridae]

Like the Demolisher II, add an "Experimental in XX" Note to Devastator DVS-2 to account for prototype(s?) existing in 3044 (McCarron's Armored Cavalry, Marlette scenarios, pp. 26-59)

[nckestrel]

Like the Demolisher II, add an "Experimental in XX" Note to Devastator DVS-2 to account for prototype(s?) existing in 3044 (McCarron's Armored Cavalry, Marlette scenarios, pp. 26-59)

Prototypes in universe lore is a separate thing from experimental rules level. Specific equipment on the unit must have an experimental rules level, not just the unit itself be a prototype. 

[ShroudedSciuridae]

Svartalfa ProtoMech
MUL lists BV of 540, but Greek Fire calculated it as 524 here https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,7572.msg1525526.html#msg1525526 and MegaMek shows 536.  Might be worth a double check.

Also, the BV for these two dev-level erratum (Marsden I & Estevez) has not changed.
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,6618.msg981926.html#msg981926
This would also change the Estevez AA BV

[Firepigeon]

Void Medium Battle Armor Caltrop (Sqd6) - on the AS card specials is wrongly listed CAR4

[Firepigeon]

Swallow Attack WiGE (Spotter) - On the AS card specials, TAG is misspelt

[Firepigeon]

Kanazuchi Assault Battle Armor (Support) (Sqd4)
Kanazuchi Assault Battle Armor (Support) (Sqd5)
Kanazuchi Assault Battle Armor (Support) (Sqd6)
All of them on the AS Card are classified as BM instead of BA

[nckestrel]

Kanazuchi Assault Battle Armor (Support) (Sqd4)
Kanazuchi Assault Battle Armor (Support) (Sqd5)
Kanazuchi Assault Battle Armor (Support) (Sqd6)
All of them on the AS Card are classified as BM instead of BA

Thanks.

[Firepigeon]

Fenrir Battle Armor [Mortar] (Sqd6) - AS card is not in line with Sqd4 and Sqd5 stats (Point Value, Damage)