Sorry; that Unit you selected is Unseen. Retcon, Reseen, or Reselect?

[Stormlion1]

Reseen, I'd rather have the option than not have the option.

[gooseman]

Retcon:

What I would like to see is a re-imagining similar to the Wolverine II treatment. An image which is close enough to the original to bear resemblance but not so close to get Harmony Gold's knickers in a wad.

[TS_Hawk]

Its been since 95 since I last played.  mainly because the group got dysfunctional and then I moved away 3 years later.  I would just do a reseen even though I prefer some of the unseens to what they look like now.  But I want to enjoy this game again I had fun with it before and plan on running a campaign in the near future.

[Humansquish]

I voted reseen. Like others have said we use the unseen if we have them, then move on to reseen, and then whatever looks closest. Of course wasn't the whole purpose of making the reseen so people can use the varients for the unseen if they didn't have them?

[beachhead1985]

I'd rather swap-out for a similar comtemporary unit, especially one of the SL-era rebuilds.

I like my Unseens, I don't care where the images comes from, they're iconic and while I am willing to accept that a particular model might be built differently from factory to factory, alot of reseens just look way too off, especially the rediculous reseen Marauder.

Rule of cool is in effect for me; the Unseen marauder just LOOKS alot cooler than the delicate-looking, daddy-long-legs farce that is the reseen model.

HOWEVER...if we are considering a canon RUS program (does that already exist? I just roll with what I have in my collection, the re-rolls bug me) this kind of an option would be very useful to those players who use RUS tables. ditto a make your own option

[StCptMara]

The option my group goes with is not on there, so I picked the one closest, but:
We go with "Proxy it. The mini is just a marker, anyway." I mean, I have used a Hammerhands,
an Orion,and a Crusader in the last few months to represent unseen Warhammers

[JPArbiter]

Reseen always.  this has to do with a story I have alluded to in the past, where I was JUST getting back into playing battletech, and bought as one of my first miniatures in a while a Project Phoenix Rifleman.  The only guy in my college town who wanted to play insisted on a succession wars campaign, and when I plopped my Rifleman down (in a lance with a Centurion and two whitworths) he said that CAV was not in the right scale.  when I told him that was a NEW Rifleman and showed him a copy of Project Phoenix he went into a tizzy and threw my mini across the game room, breaking it.

I swore I would never be like that guy, and from then on I advocated for the Project Phoenix Machines.

I am surprised btw that a lot of people who responded did not read the first post before answering.

[lobsterback]

 "Reseen (Select the Reseen version, and just pretend it's the original Unseen.) "

Most of my games are "demo games".   I want to be able to point a new player to the Battletech section of the local game store, not ebay if they want the same sort of mini.

[sketchesofpayne]

I'm fine with the reseen models.  I guess I'm not so attached to the old Macross and Dougram designs.  You show me the reseen Valkyrie and say 'hencetoforth the Valkyrie has always looked like this,' I just say, 'okay.'

I guess it's because my real introduction to Battletech was the Mechwarrior 2 and Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries games.  Neither of which have any unseen in them.  So I guess in my eyes the Timberwolf (Mad Cat) and Atlas are more iconic of Battletech than the Marauder or Warhammer.

[Ian Sharpe]

Retcon retcon retcon.

[Medron Pryde]

I prefer the unseen.  As a Catalyst Agent, I use Phoenix or something else close (Hammerhands or a Wammy IIC both make great Warhammer) on the table.

If I was looking for a permanent solution, I would say to do something like the Shadow Hawk 1R, which if it ever gets approved for production by IWM will make a great new Shadow Hawk mini.  Here's hoping it gets approved...

[Hawk]

I'd take a Reseen is I had too, but I also have several of the Unseen minis, so I would use those if at all possible. I hate RetConning anything, and I want what I got (or picked), so no go on the Replacement angle.

[Paint it Pink]

Given that the choice to vote, or not then the only one that makes any sence to me is the substitution on an unseen by a reseen miniature. However, I would in preference use a Clan 2C Marauder rather than the reseen Inner Sphere models, because to me it captures the spirit if the original more than the reseen does. OTOH the reseen Battlemaster is perfectly nice in its own right.

I suppose what I dislike are reseen that make good looking designs ugly, and some of the reseen IMNSHO are things only their mother could love. YMMV.

[GreenDragon]

I only have about 40 minis - counting two different box sets' plastic minis.  So when we want to use a 'mech not in the selection, we just pick a reasonable replacement mini.  For example: whatever the biggest, baddest 'mech in the enemy force is will inevitably be represented by a red painted plastic Atlas.  And a plastic Mad Cat can standin for any bird-legged 'mech with two weapon arms.
Then I have a buddy who will use his 'lucky' Locust even if there is a actual metal mini for his unit.  Even if he's fielding a Corsair aerospace fighter or a Hanse MBT.
So, basically Reseen - with a "ah this looks good" variation.

[Charlie Tango]

Based upon the choices as put forth, the most logical option for me is "Reseen".

I have not the time or the money to be kitbashing my own, nor do I feel Catalyst should retcon the images. (Absolutely not, in fact.)

If I have chosen a particular unit, there's a reason I chose that particular unit.  If I wanted something else, I would have picked something else.

Love them or hate them (and with the Reseen for me,  there are some of both!), they work just fine for representing the unit in tabletop play.

[Grim_Reaper]

not a problem for me, i would just bring my 'Classic' (unseen) minis, even if i am using plastic  }:)

[Atlas3060]

Retcon:

What I would like to see is a re-imagining similar to the Wolverine II treatment. An image which is close enough to the original to bear resemblance but not so close to get Harmony Gold's knickers in a wad.

And he shall have my sword and axe with this post!

What was done for the Wolverine II was perfect and that's why I voted Retcon.  Most of the others I tend to proxy with the Reseen but the Wolverines I use the the II version for the older models and the new one for the recent ones.

[Davion_Boy_74]

And he shall have my sword and axe with this post!

What was done for the Wolverine II was perfect and that's why I voted Retcon.  Most of the others I tend to proxy with the Reseen but the Wolverines I use the the II version for the older models and the new one for the recent ones.

Totally Agree, Retcon.

Dave.

[Wrangler]

I'm in for reseen, not everyone can get unseen mini from e-bay, it hard sometimes to explain to new players your trying convince to give the game try about the red-tape story of the old 'Mechs.  I love them, but if they can't be used, we have second best thing.

I wish that reseen stylings could be used retcon the old ones just for sake having other than silhouette in older TROs.

[Mattlov]

I say retcon, just to make it easier and you can tell the people the that say "FASA died (and so did Battletech) because they stole designs" that now they are gone.  Battletech isn't.

Will it make people sad, some even butt-hurt over their Unseen?  Yeah, but I see it more of a business decision than one for the players.

That being said, I have no problem with option 3 either.

[Nightstalker]

   I would use a Re-seen.  They (mostly) look close enough to know what they are.  And I actually like most of them for their own sake.  And, I would probably bash one of the Re-seen minis to the model of the Unseen anyways. 

[Sigma]

Retcon. But only in the way the Example was given.

So a marauder could look something like this and I'm cool with it.




I funded the 1R so saying that different variants made by different factions and companies at different times have slightly different appearances is cool with me. However, they have to look close enough to the original unseen to be instantly recognizable. Even the reseen are somewhat an extension of this. I  don't like to use reseen in old games because I have the unseen 1. and 2. the date of production to me is the Era it belongs me. You can run old machines into newer eras but you can't go backward without destroying the continuity. Now proxying is proxying but proxying a Mad 3R with a Mad 9S is about the same level as proxying a Mad 3R with a Madcat to me. Doesn't bother me but don't come arguin' that it's all the same. You work with what you got and that's fair. That is a major strength of Battletech. Order for me is Bash, then Reseen, then something with a similar payload and movement.

The only other other thing I'll say is that "Hero" machines and original unseens already pictured in battletech art for specific units should not be retconned in any way. No "Well Natasha's Warhammer didn't look exactly like the way it's been drawn for most of battletech (and yeah I'm aware of the WDSB vs. the standard version)". Hanse drove a big blocky Battlemaster and so forth. It's a matter of respect.

And of course that means that at least one factory for each design should be producing the unseen as originally depicted, though you could fudge things for certain lines like the 3085 Atlas entry did. "Well we lost the forms in the 2nd War so the new Mad 3D's rolling off the line are a tad more angular. Since that required some extensive retooling we took the opportunity to beef up the arm actuators to better handle the stress load from the weapon pods as well."

[Sartris]

Since I started in '96 and didn't start collecting minis in earnest until '08-'09, I have no unseen minis (except a Thud I got for a song).  Therefore, I am content to use my Reseens and allow them to represent their original variants.  I've even picked up a few reseen variant models like the SHD-7CS and RFL-6X because they come a little bit closer to a visual match.

[TheOldGuy]

A re-seen Marauder is the Marauder model that always existed for me.  So that reseen Marauder can be 3039 or 3075.  Although it'd be really cool to have an unseen one... ANYWAYS.

[Crunch]

I'd go with retcon just so we never have to see a BT or BT related project canceled or delayed from the confusion.

[FPAlpha]

I'd re-select.

I'm a newcomer to the game but not the universe itself and i just like the look of the Unseens as they match all the old artwork (d'uh  ;)). However reality is that they are hard to come by or are very expensive to get on Ebay for instance, i.e. very popular ones like the Marauder, Warhammer or the Rifleman.

Personally i just don't like the visuals of most re-seen Mechs.. it's just personal taste and i'd avoid using them. Fortunately i have a few guys in my area who are veterans and are willing to part with Unseens for a modest price because they don't play as much anymore but not everybody has this luck.

It's up to anybody to decide for themselves but proxy would be the last thing to do because it just invites all kinds of problems and especially in big games can lead to bad blood when someone forgets that it's a proxy and makes a game choice with another Mech in mind.

[Ghostbear_Gurdel]

When given the option, 99% of the time I reach for a unseen, because honestly, most of those "older" designs look a lot cooler than the reseens (The new Warhammer for example, is fugly). But when that is not an option, the reseens are acceptable. They are the same mechs, just a different model, and that is fine. Although I will of course proxy, because there are many minis I do not own.

[Siberian-troll]

I prefer Cool variant. If new version will be look cool and had a nice resemblance with unseens, I'll take them.
If it will be same as loathed Marauder 5L, which too big and had nothing Marauderish in it - I'll take unseen on e-bay. Even cheap repro from pal, who do not care about this legal crap.

But, by same 'rule of cool' I have no problems with reseen Stinger, Wasp, Ost-series, and even Goliath. 

 

[Shin Yodama]

As the mini is only there to represent the unit, anything that approximates it is good in my book. Using the reseens would be the first choice if the group does not hold an unseen.

[Deathrider6]

Use a reseen mini....or reselect for faction flavor since the option is there.

I will use my "Unseen" minis in home games since I do have them.

For Official events Reseen minis will do nicely and I don't have to worry about retcon in any case since there is no "what you see is what you get rule" in CBT. There have been many cases where "Camo wasp or what-ever"  has been neatly written on a mech-sheet to allow a player to move and fight with the correct mini provided inn the case of a proxy mini.