Star Trek General Thread II: Strange New Posts

[ThePW]

Yeah.  And they're mostly...not funny.  The first three in particular are not so much a celebration of Trek as a subversion of it.
Best so far was the one by Prodigy writer Aaron J. Waltke, combining the different animation styles like _Drawn Together_ (however briefly).

Although, I do have to say, ST:ENT actually looks good in the TAS style.  If they ever wanted to get the cast back together for a (very) belated fifth season, that's obviously how they should do it--like the original TAS, but set on Archer's Enterprise.

cheers,

Gabe

MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!! Everyone is STILL ALIVE (I think)... this CAN still happen. IT. Must. Happen.

[truetanker]

Warn me about the WALL o' TEXT next time please.

Felt assaulted for a pair of seconds.

Thanks,
TT

[gyedid]

MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!! Everyone is STILL ALIVE (I think)... this CAN still happen. IT. Must. Happen.

Be careful, I also thought DISCO looked good in that style too 

How about a prequel series set on Prime Georgiou's Shenzhou prior to the Battle of the Binary Stars? (just because I want more of the wise, benevolent Prime Georgiou as opposed to the amoral, borderline psycho Evil Mirror Emperor Georgiou)

They can keep the uniforms but otherwise use it as an opportunity to clean up DISCO and make it more consistent with the rest of the Trek universe a la SNW.

(And get Saru out of that silly 32nd Century uniform!  Why is that even there?)

cheers,

Gabe

[Lorcan Nagle]

(And get Saru out of that silly 32nd Century uniform!  Why is that even there?)

It's parodying the sometimes inaccurate costumes on characters in TAS, usually stuff like uniforms changing colour between scenes.

[gyedid]

My feeling is it's Badgey, in the Peanut Hamper episode in series 3 there's a lingering shot of Rutherford's implant in the debris field from the battle in the series 1 finale and you see it light up, suggesting he's still alive in there.

It looks like Badgey will be back next episode, so we'll see if there's that connection.

There's one other principal suspect I can think of:  Boimler's transporter clone who was recruited by Section 31.  Note that at least from what we've seen on the show so far, the mystery ship hasn't yet attacked any Federation-aligned ships.  And it does look more like a buffed-out Federation shuttlecraft than anything else.

cheers,

Gabe

[VanVelding]

Another solid episode. I'm sorry to all the Rutherford/Tendi shippers though. It's a great use of the assumption that "Rom is incompetent" to swerve into the "Rom/Leeta dream couple" bit.

Crazy implications for the universe and props to Captain Freeman.

[glitterboy2098]

There's one other principal suspect I can think of:  Boimler's transporter clone who was recruited by Section 31.  Note that at least from what we've seen on the show so far, the mystery ship hasn't yet attacked any Federation-aligned ships.  And it does look more like a buffed-out Federation shuttlecraft than anything else.

given its apparent size in the flyby of the Ferengi ship, it seems to be a lot larger than a shuttle though. while the windows on ships aren't always a good guide to size, that ferengi ship had to have at least 4-5 decks. and was probably defiant sized, even if it shared a shape with the ENT era ferengi shuttlecraft. the mystery ship seemed to be about half the size of the ferengi ship.

[Jal Phoenix]

I don't know what I did to make Youtube keep recommending these decade old fanmade skits, but I'm glad it happened. They're basically PSAs about how to avoid logical fallacies, done in the style of the Animated Series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_fOyxk7DdU

[Lorcan Nagle]

Prodigy has been picked up by Netflix.  Series 1 will show up on there soon-ish with series 2 following:

https://gizmodo.com/star-trek-prodigy-season-2-netflix-paramount-streaming-1850918603

[Dragon Cat]

Good news, hopefully gets a third out of it

I wonder how Paramount execs feel going cap in hand to Nexflix? They took everything off there for their big streaming moves now Paramount+ is toiling towards insignificance

It's not just them I think there are way too many streaming services I've tightened my belt and only have a couple now money just doesn't go as far anymore

[glitterboy2098]

It's not just them I think there are way too many streaming services I've tightened my belt and only have a couple now money just doesn't go as far anymore

i keep three. i pay for netflix, i pay for Amazon prime (have since before it was a streaming service, but i get a big discount due to some special deals so i keep it), and the whole family shares my younger brother's disney account.

but i agree. there are too many streaming services now. netflix was successful early on because it was a good alternative to cable/satellite, at a lower price. now if you want to get diverse options you have to pay as much or more to get half a dozen different corporate streaming services.

i think we're starting to see the contraction of the streaming bubble, as the various studios all realize that running their own services is too pricey at too slim a profit when you can;t piggyback off other studio's material to attract customers.

[monbvol]

And it really helps if you play 'The Game' and rather than sustain a subscription to a bunch all at once, just pick and choose which ones you want.

Star Trek Lower Decks on?  Pay for Paramount Plus for a month then cancel it and quite often they'll bribe you with free or discounted months to stay and send promotion codes for free or discounted months.

Netflix announces what is coming and going for stuff on their service.

[Wrangler]

I found some of the Star Trek shows (older ones) are appearing on Pluto TV which is ad funded streaming service (aka its TV).

[Lorcan Nagle]

I believe Paramount have some level of share in Pluto, when people complained about Discovery being pulled from Netflix, series 4 was put on Pluto in territories it was active in and Paramount Plus had not launched in.

[glitterboy2098]

so in the latest lower decks.. we find out that Mariner graduated alongside Sito Jaxa, meaning she was in the academy in 2368! and she fought in the Dominion war from the start! she's got to be about a decade older than the rest of the group.
edit: so i did some basic math..lower decks is set in 2380, possible 2381-ish by the 4th season. TNG "the first duty" takes place in 2368, 12 years earlier. if Mariner joined at the earliest age possible, 16, and only took the typical 4 year course of study, graduating around the same time as Sito Jaxa would put her at 32. so she's probably more like 5-7 years older than the others. if she graduated with Jaxa, in 2370, that means she would have been in starfleet 3 years before the dominion war kicked off. though it is liekly mariner was a year or two behind her, helping to explain the hero worship a bit. much like how Nog looked up to Red Squad.

 

also final confirmation that Nick Locarno isn't the same person as Tom Paris.

[VanVelding]

I think most of us suspected that Mariner's relationship with Starfleet was colored by the Dominion War, but holy ******. ***** ****** holy ****** ****** that makes so much sense and ******.

I guess there's finally a link to the episode this whole series is named for.

With the guys being promoted and the episode last week about them drifting apart, I feel that we're nearing the natural end of this show. It's been an amazing ride.

[ThePW]

sadly that circumstance is purely OOC: If only they could swing that without triggering Royalities to the TNG episode screen writer. :/

[glitterboy2098]

I think most of us suspected that Mariner's relationship with Starfleet was colored by the Dominion War, but holy ******. ***** ****** holy ****** ****** that makes so much sense and ******.

I guess there's finally a link to the episode this whole series is named for.

With the guys being promoted and the episode last week about them drifting apart, I feel that we're nearing the natural end of this show. It's been an amazing ride.

we have one more season for sure. which is good, because there are some hanging plot threads from earlier seasons that need tying up.

[Wrangler]

Could it have been a mistake? That's really big thing she skipped rank and stayed Ensign for years beyond normal Ensign would be.  While it's fiction, usually they discharge someone from say the US Navy if they don't advance up the rank since their not making any progress.  I do recall number times that she said she didn't want to be promoted. So if really not typo/boo boo in writers...it would make sense.  Still don't see how Star Fleet would allow it.

[VanVelding]

I feel like the narrative has been dedicated to the idea that Mariner has been an ensign for a very long time. One of her Academy peers is now a Captain. She served in the Dominion War and was posted to DS9. She's got the knowledge and experience you'd expect of a Lieutenant Commander (at least). Season one is clear that she has some deep-seated emotional issues and sees promotion as anathema.

Starfleet isn't the US Navy. Picard still being a lieutenant in the alternate universe shown in "Tapestry" demonstrates the the "up or out" attitude of the modern US Military--which an obscure TNG episode called "Encounter at Farpoint" shows Starfleet doesn't exactly truck with in general--might not apply.

Mariner isn't at risk of being drummed out because of her time in rate, but because of the behavior required to keep herself there. She's at the bleeding edge of staying in Starfleet, but only because she shows the initiative of a senior officer without demonstrating the responsibility of one.

[ThePW]

Could it have been a mistake? That's really big thing she skipped rank and stayed Ensign for years beyond normal Ensign would be.  While it's fiction, usually they discharge someone from say the US Navy if they don't advance up the rank since their not making any progress.  I do recall number times that she said she didn't want to be promoted. So if really not typo/boo boo in writers...it would make sense.  Still don't see how Star Fleet would allow it.

OK, lets do some FASAnomics for Star Fleet.

First, you need a head count of the fleet (a statistical impossibility until the show runners or even book writers try (or allowed) to tackle.

Second, you need the rules of Star Fleet. Things like 'How long before you get a chance at promotion?' 'How long before you automatically get promoted' Is there High Year Tenure in Star Fleet, etc'

If you can figure that out, there's your answer :D

But If you ask me.... because the NCC numbers are already close if not passed 80000 by the Dominion War, plus Star Fleet's wide variety of ships in the actual fleet, variety of bases, space facilities, etc... its safe to say that Star Fleet has many examples of Pantless Edward... lots of Excelsior-space frames and no end of billets...

What were we talking about?

[glitterboy2098]

in TNG 'Tapestry', the alternate timeline Q allows Picard to see, where picard didn't take risks like picking a fight with naussicans, we see he went from ensign to only a Jr LT after  42 years of service in starfleet. in the words of Troi and Riker, Lt picard was "Your performance records have always been good. You're thorough… dedicated…"
"Steady, reliable… punctual." but he'd never progressed because "If you want to get ahead, you have to take chances… stand out in a crowd, get noticed!".

and just because Q was involved doesn't mean that the normal rules hot changed.. Picard himself, still having the mind of the 'real' picard, didn't find anything odd about the idea of a person staying at Jr LT rank for decades.

so clearly "up or out" does not apply to starfleet. you just tend to get ambitious people going for command track and the higher ranks.
honestly, it might be a concession to the longer lived species.. a vulcan might well have a career spanning a full century, and the federation seems to make strides to not discriminate based on species. so promotions being offered entirely on merit and performance instead of time in grade would fit. and we know that you can turn down promotions to a certain limit, from Riker and Rutherford's examples.

[Dynodragon]

Oh, and it was another great episode of a fantastic series, Boimler's comments about a certain doctor cracked me up.

[Øystein]

Cryyy!

Still no new season TLD here :( :( :/

[Jim1701]

Could it have been a mistake? That's really big thing she skipped rank and stayed Ensign for years beyond normal Ensign would be.  While it's fiction, usually they discharge someone from say the US Navy if they don't advance up the rank since their not making any progress.  I do recall number times that she said she didn't want to be promoted. So if really not typo/boo boo in writers...it would make sense.  Still don't see how Star Fleet would allow it.

If you go back to TNG it's pretty normal for Starfleet officers to stay at lower ranks for most if not all of their careers if they are competent at their job.  In the Q episode where Q show's Picard his life if he hadn't ended up with an artificial heart had him stuck at Lieutenant in that timeline.  Lt. Barclay is another example.  Starfleet isn't strictly a military service in the same vein as the US Navy even if it fills a lot of the same roles. Pretty sure there are more examples of this particularly in the TNG series.

[Luciora]

In a culture where materialism isn't the main goal, (being a utopian one)  having a job / career doing what you enjoy the most seems to be the most fulfilling thing over all.  Ranks seem more to indicate whose you defer to when a problem crops up because they more than likely have the knowledge to solve it consistently. 

Everyone seems hyper competent at thier jobs and there isn't the the trope of the green 2nd LT leading the veteran squad into a death trap at all in Star Trek that I can recall.

[Lorcan Nagle]

It's probable that nobody would care if Mariner remained an ensign if it wasn't for the pedigree of her parents and the promise she showed at the academy.

[BrianDavion]

Could it have been a mistake? That's really big thing she skipped rank and stayed Ensign for years beyond normal Ensign would be.  While it's fiction, usually they discharge someone from say the US Navy if they don't advance up the rank since their not making any progress.  I do recall number times that she said she didn't want to be promoted. So if really not typo/boo boo in writers...it would make sense.  Still don't see how Star Fleet would allow it.

Starfleet isn't the US navy. There is no "up or out" policy/mentality. how many promotions did Riker turn down to stay on Enterprise?

[Wrangler]

Starfleet isn't the US navy. There is no "up or out" policy/mentality. how many promotions did Riker turn down to stay on Enterprise?

I would say, when TOS was written it was more US Navy than it was by TNG.  It's who writing it, scifi writers with book background and former World War II/Korean War vets. 

Writers will have less of a military background as far a large size of the pie of writers I suspect now.  Thus why things are bit loosey goosey as far standards go.

[VanVelding]

I've never found, "They were trying to do X, but were bad at it" as an argument that they were trying to do X.