WarShip of the Week: Stefan Amaris

[Wrangler]

Realistically (Yeah, I know.  :D) the Chieftain and Vengeance were completed, it depends if construction materials for theorically other hulls could have been used to complete them.  This was the case with the real world Iowa Class Battleship Wisconsin using the uncompleted Kentucky to replace its damaged bow after it was rammed.

It would have been neat if single Stefan Amaris Battleship was written up before Jihad Hot Spots: Terra, maybe Invisible Truth's counter part in that deathduel above Terra could have been a unknown survivor the Blakist had salvaged.

[Zureal]

It would have been neat if single Stefan Amaris Battleship was written up before Jihad Hot Spots: Terra, maybe Invisible Truth's counter part in that deathduel above Terra could have been a unknown survivor the Blakist had salvaged.

   Agreed, would of been cool for sure :) Though im sure the clans would of gone balistick as soon as they saw the class pop up in the computer screens XD  >:D

[TigerShark]

   Agreed, would of been cool for sure :) Though im sure the clans would of gone balistick as soon as they saw the class pop up in the computer screens XD  >:D

Ehhh not really. The Clans' history is filled with a policy of admiring the weapon but hating the pilot. During the Golden Age, they adapted the Matar into the Stone Rhino. Clan Burrock was even founded by a pair of brothers from the Rim Worlds Republic. And after the Wars of Reaving, the Society's most iconic equipment (Osteon and Septicemia) were both adopted into the arsenals of the remaining Homeworld Clans. They even decided to keep the names intact. :)


I think they'd respect the warship for what it is, but rename the classification to "Kerensky-Class" or something honoring a founder.

[Prince of Darkness]

Besides, all you would have done is add another multi-million ton warship to the Word's roster.  It would have been creepy and cool at first, but like the good old Atlas the stats are very lackluster.

[TigerShark]

Besides, all you would have done is add another multi-million ton warship to the Word's roster.  It would have been creepy and cool at first, but like the good old Atlas the stats are very lackluster.

I honestly don't find them that "terrible." Some of the SL warships are downright awful and a liability in combat. This would do quite well if backed up by a shield of Aegis-class cruisers and some Quixote-class fire support. I imagine there would be quite a few Pinto-class pickets 10-15 hexes up.

[gyedid]

I like the fact that part of Kerensky's idea to use them was to rubbed it in against fat bastard he was using his toys against him.

Payback for Amaris using the Jackrabbit against the SLDF...?

cheers,

Gabe

[Zureal]

I honestly don't find them that "terrible." Some of the SL warships are downright awful and a liability in combat. This would do quite well if backed up by a shield of Aegis-class cruisers and some Quixote-class fire support. I imagine there would be quite a few Pinto-class pickets 10-15 hexes up.

Besides, all you would have done is add another multi-million ton warship to the Word's roster.  It would have been creepy and cool at first, but like the good old Atlas the stats are very lackluster.

  I have to disagree, when compared to other house and SLDF ships it is a good ship of the line, its main mission is to kill other capitol ships, and at that i think it is pretty optimized and will handle itself vary well against anything except perhaps a SLDF battleship. As a side note, the Atlas has good stats for its time, u have to put these things into the era they were used for them to make sens sometimes.

[Wrangler]

Payback for Amaris using the Jackrabbit against the SLDF...?

cheers,

Gabe

Considering how crappy the Jackrabbits were, how SLDF soldiers enjoyed using them for sport of Mech hunting, I don't think Kerensky minded it.

[TigerShark]

Considering how crappy the Jackrabbits were, how SLDF soldiers enjoyed using them for sport of Mech hunting, I don't think Kerensky minded it.

I don't really find them to be the worst thing ever. ::shrug::


The plain JKR-8T is a little gnat with low BV and "ok" movement. Not meant to be seen in big packs, but certainly one of those little buggers that runs around and immobilizes vehicles as part of a scouting/raiding party. The -9R is superb and is a superior swarm unit.


The real benefit to them is the ease with which you could swap out the armament for mission-specific guns. PPC, ER Large, Large Laser, LRM-10, etc. all fit onto that right arm with ease.

[Jellico]

  I have to disagree, when compared to other house and SLDF ships it is a good ship of the line, its main mission is to kill other capitol ships, and at that i think it is pretty optimized and will handle itself vary well against anything except perhaps a SLDF battleship. As a side note, the Atlas has good stats for its time, u have to put these things into the era they were used for them to make sens sometimes.

The only reason it has any advantage over the majority of the SLF cruisers is armour.

[TigerShark]

The only reason it has any advantage over the majority of the SLF cruisers is armour.

Absolutely. And that's HUGE. You don't need to be able to do 200 damage in a turn. You need to be able to take 200 and keep firing back. Compare it to a Luxor-class Heavy Cruiser:


Broadside + Aft/Side (at Long Range)

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Luxor: 305 [22 + 36 + 60 + 60 + 50 + 50 + 27]
Stefan Amaris: 253 [5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 50 + 50 + 40 + 40 + 45 + 8]

..however, the Luxor has only 151 armor on either side, the Stefan Amaris has 260. In this comparison, it's a wash. Either ship is capable of destroying the other in short order. The only major difference is at Extreme bracket, where most damage is unlikely to make contact anyhow.

[Weirdo]

The only major difference is at Extreme bracket, where most damage is unlikely to make contact anyhow.

That's the great power of SLDF WarShips. Most can use bracketing fire to its utmost, and so they can hit reliably at extreme range. The damage isn't as heavy as if from full-power salvos, but they add up quick, and any House or Periphery ship is likely to be pretty beat up by the time they can respond effectively.

[Jellico]

The maths for a bracketing Black Lion end up with the Lion being about equal to the Amaris including armour. That's with both ships bracketing.

With ECM in play the SLDF cruisers can fight at 40 hexes while the Amaris isn't effective till 25 hexes. Ships like the Mjolnir beat this by charging in. If you can find a way of stopping or slowing down the Amaris the cruiser wins. And that is before the SLDF unleashes the Hellcat IIs...

[Zureal]

The maths for a bracketing Black Lion end up with the Lion being about equal to the Amaris including armour. That's with both ships bracketing.

With ECM in play the SLDF cruisers can fight at 40 hexes while the Amaris isn't effective till 25 hexes. Ships like the Mjolnir beat this by charging in. If you can find a way of stopping or slowing down the Amaris the cruiser wins. And that is before the SLDF unleashes the Hellcat IIs...

   We are comparing strickly the capship vs caship here. But what you say is true on all accounts. One also has to remember that a "mere" RWR nation built the thing, rather major accomplishment that i say

[marauder648]

Where can one find the rules for the Warships game?

[Weirdo]

Total War for most space mechanics, Strategic Operations for advanced units like WarShips.

[marauder648]

Much obliged i'll have to root though them later.