Author Topic: Defiant (Read 4322 times)

ATN082268 · « **on:** 05 March 2011, 18:18:41 »

From my favorite of the Star Trek series...

AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout

VALIDATED
Class/Model/Name: Defiant
Tech: Clan / 3075
Vessel Type: WarShip
Rules: Level 2, Modified design
Rules Set: AeroTech2
Mass: 140,000 tons
K-F Drive System: (Unknown)
Length: 300 meters
Sail Diameter: 750 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 7
Maximum Thrust: 11
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide

Armament:
280 Large Pulse Laser
28 AMS
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Class/Model/Name: Defiant
Mass: 140,000 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 58,800.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 7
Maximum Thrust: 11
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive: Compact (Integrity = 5) 63,350.00
Lithium Fusion Battery 1,400.00
Jump Sail (Detachable): (Integrity = 3) 37.00
Structural Integrity: 54 7,560.00
Total Heat Sinks: 1,500 Double 1,113.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 1,260.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 350.00
Fire Control Computers: 630.00
Food & Water: (180 days supply) 230.00
Hyperpulse Generator: 50.00
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide (272 total armor pts) 151.00

Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 62
Fore-Left/Right: 45/45
Aft-Left/Right: 40/40
Aft: 40

Grav Decks #1 - 2: (25-meter diameter) 100.00
Life Boats: 22 (7 tons each) 154.00
Escape Pods: 22 (7 tons each) 154.00
Crew and Passengers:
40 Officers (38 minimum) 400.00
130 Crew (33 minimum) 910.00
60 Gunners (52 minimum) 420.00
25 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals 175.00

Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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70 Large Pulse Laser Nose 70(700)70(700)70(700) -- 700 420.00
70 Large Pulse Laser Nose 70(700)70(700)70(700) -- 700 420.00
7 AMS(2112 rounds) Nose -- -- -- -- 7 91.50
20 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 400 240.00
20 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 400 240.00
7 AMS(1392 rounds) L/RBS -- -- -- -- 14 123.00
20 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 400 240.00
20 Large Pulse Laser Aft 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 200 120.00
7 AMS(1392 rounds) Aft -- -- -- -- 7 61.50
1 Lot Spare Parts (0.50%) 700.00
1 Small Naval Comm-Scanner 100.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 2,828 140,000.00
Tons Left: .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 6,546,713,880 C-Bills
Battle Value: 93,399
Cost per BV: 70,094.05
Weapon Value: 52,469 (Ratio = .56)
Damage Factors: SRV = 2,928; MRV = 2,567; LRV = 1,348; ERV = 0
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 264,716
(62,351 Structure, 136,685 Life Support, 65,680 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 266,720 (101% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable

Psyckosama · « **Reply #1 on:** 05 March 2011, 19:26:51 »

Yet another ubership... >:(

ATN082268 · « **Reply #2 on:** 05 March 2011, 20:23:47 »

Quote from: Psyckosama on 05 March 2011, 19:26:51

Yet another ubership... >:(

Yeah, real uber especially at 140,000 tons :)

-Andrew

NightmareSteel · « **Reply #3 on:** 05 March 2011, 21:40:14 »

Not enough tonnage used for cargo. Weapons banks are... inaccurate. Pulsed phaser =/= Large pulser lasers.

Weapons selection has inflated crew requirements well beyond expected.

seiryuu24 · « **Reply #4 on:** 05 March 2011, 23:41:22 »

The biggest problem I have with this design is the fact that this is a 140,000 ton warship and the total number of capital weapon bays = 0. If you want to spam LPLs why not a 100,000 ton dropshi(p)?

edit: oops

NightmareSteel · « **Reply #5 on:** 06 March 2011, 02:25:00 »

Amusing spelling error (?) is amusing.

Also? Dropship doesn't K-F.

Better to fix existing design.

ATN082268 · « **Reply #6 on:** 06 March 2011, 16:34:12 »

Quote from: seiryuu24 on 05 March 2011, 23:41:22

The biggest problem I have with this design is the fact that this is a 140,000 ton warship and the total number of capital weapon bays = 0. If you want to spam LPLs why not a 100,000 ton dropshi(p)?

edit: oops

Well, it has the speed to get in range of its massed standard weaponry and armor to take the hits while it closes. Besides, it is not like all (or even most) official scenarios are in completely open space and with rolling mapsheets as some would have us believe. And if I were to mix tech, I'd add screen launchers just for those rare occasions :)

-Andrew

sci teacher · « **Reply #7 on:** 08 March 2011, 23:25:00 »

I think it needs some kind of launcher... Defiant had the quantum torpedoes.

NightmareSteel · « **Reply #8 on:** 09 March 2011, 05:09:07 »

Crew requirements seem higher than expected for a Defiant re-work. Any way to trim those down through alternate weapon selection?

Stormfury · « **Reply #9 on:** 09 March 2011, 05:18:41 »

It doesn't have the tonnage available to switch to (sub-) capital lasers, which would presumably be the only other option.

NightmareSteel · « **Reply #10 on:** 09 March 2011, 05:29:08 »

Nor tonnage for (sub) Cap Missiles, then? Seems to be the hazard of a safe thrust 7 warship- not much tonnage for guns.

Stormfury · « **Reply #11 on:** 09 March 2011, 06:25:25 »

Even if you swap 10 LPLs (10 Capital damage) for an NL-45 and an NL-55 (10 Capital damage) you still need 2 gunners. A bay of 14 mixed NL-45s and NL-55s for the same 70 points of damage is setting you back more gunners, 14 versus 12.

In order to get capital bays with the same damage and the same speed, I had to increase the vessel's mass more than ten times over.

As it is, due to BT's crewing requirements, even the lightest of WarShips with no weaponry will have a larger crew than the Defiant of ST.

ATN082268 · « **Reply #12 on:** 10 March 2011, 09:09:29 »

The Battletech Defiant certainly isn't a perfect crossover from Deep Space 9 but I think it does accomplish being a small, very fast warship that has a lot of short range firepower.

-Andrew

ATN082268 · « **Reply #13 on:** 14 July 2011, 12:33:02 »

AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
* CUSTOM WEAPONS

Class/Model/Name: Defiant 2
Tech: Clan / 3075
Vessel Type: WarShip
Rules: Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set: AeroTech2

Mass: 140,000 tons
K-F Drive System: (Unknown)
Length: 300 meters
Sail Diameter: 750 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide

Armament:
280 Large Pulse Laser
2 Heavy NPPC
48 LAMS*

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Class/Model/Name: Defiant 2
Mass: 140,000 tons

Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 42,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive: Compact (Integrity = 5) 63,350.00
Lithium Fusion Battery 1,400.00
Jump Sail (Detachable): (Integrity = 3) 37.00
Structural Integrity: 59 8,260.00
Total Heat Sinks: 2,475 Double 2,141.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 2,040.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 350.00
Fire Control Computers: 4,839.00
Food & Water: (366 days supply) 662.00
Hyperpulse Generator: 50.00
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide (300 total armor pts) 165.00

Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 65
Fore-Left/Right: 50/50
Aft-Left/Right: 45/45
Aft: 45

Cargo:
Bay 1: Small Craft (2) with 2 doors 400.00
Bay 2: Cargo (1) with 1 door 500.00

DropShip Capacity: 1 Docking Hardpoints 1,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 2: (25-meter diameter) 100.00
Life Boats: 31 (7 tons each) 217.00
Escape Pods: 31 (7 tons each) 217.00

Crew and Passengers:
60 Officers (53 minimum) 600.00
207 Crew (13 minimum) 1,449.00
60 Gunners (57 minimum) 420.00
25 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals 175.00
10 Bay Personnel .00

Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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70 Large Pulse Laser Nose 70(700)70(700)70(700) -- 700 420.00
70 Large Pulse Laser Nose 70(700)70(700)70(700) -- 700 420.00
2 Heavy NPPC Nose 30 30 30 30 450 6,000.00
12 LAMS* Nose -- -- -- -- 60 12.00
20 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 400 240.00
20 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 400 240.00
12 LAMS* L/RBS -- -- -- -- 120 24.00
20 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 400 240.00
20 Large Pulse Laser Aft 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 200 120.00
12 LAMS* Aft -- -- -- -- 60 12.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.00%) 1,400.00
1 Large Naval Comm-Scanner 500.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS: Heat: 3,490 140,000.00
Tons Left: .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 9,384,814,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 84,630
Cost per BV: 110,892.28
Weapon Value: 55,088 (Ratio = .65)
Damage Factors: SRV = 3,119; MRV = 2,842; LRV = 1,565; ERV = 87
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 385,765
(68,470 Structure, 234,435 Life Support, 82,860 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 385,896 (100% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable

DarthRads · « **Reply #14 on:** 16 July 2011, 01:25:23 »

My problems with this design:

Armour and SI should be higher maybe SI 70 or so and armor approaching 100. The Defiant is a fast attack ship to take on the Borg so it needs to be durable. Also, the number/placement of the LPLs. Defiant (as with most ST ships) focuses on end on fire. four of those 70pt LPLs in the nose. Maybe sub-cap missiles for the Qtorps (more damage than standard Cap missiles). Maybe some NPPCs to represent phaser strips down the side. Drop the speed to 6/9 max as Defiant can be rundown by the Jem Hadar attck ships...

ATN082268 · « **Reply #15 on:** 16 July 2011, 06:35:34 »

Quote from: DarthRads on 16 July 2011, 01:25:23

My problems with this design:

Armour and SI should be higher maybe SI 70 or so and armor approaching 100. The Defiant is a fast attack ship to take on the Borg so it needs to be durable. Also, the number/placement of the LPLs. Defiant (as with most ST ships) focuses on end on fire. four of those 70pt LPLs in the nose. Maybe sub-cap missiles for the Qtorps (more damage than standard Cap missiles). Maybe some NPPCs to represent phaser strips down the side. Drop the speed to 6/9 max as Defiant can be rundown by the Jem Hadar attck ships...

Even at 5/8 speed, the design is still pressed for tonnage. I can increase the durability of the design (at expense of firepower):

AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
* CUSTOM WEAPONS

Class/Model/Name: Defiant 3
Tech: Clan / 3075
Vessel Type: WarShip
Rules: Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set: AeroTech2

Mass: 140,000 tons
K-F Drive System: (Unknown)
Length: 300 meters
Sail Diameter: 750 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide

Armament:
280 Large Pulse Laser
48 LAMS*

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name: Defiant 3
Mass: 140,000 tons

Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 42,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive: Compact (Integrity = 5) 63,350.00
Lithium Fusion Battery 1,400.00
Jump Sail (Detachable): (Integrity = 3) 37.00
Structural Integrity: 132 18,480.00
Total Heat Sinks: 2,081 Double 1,747.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 2,550.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 350.00
Fire Control Computers: 639.00
Food & Water: (300 days supply) 630.50
Hyperpulse Generator: 50.00
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide (669 total armor pts) 369.50
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 144
Fore-Left/Right: 120/120
Aft-Left/Right: 95/95
Aft: 95

DropShip Capacity: 1 Docking Hardpoints 1,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 2: (25-meter diameter) 100.00
Life Boats: 36 (7 tons each) 252.00
Escape Pods: 36 (7 tons each) 252.00

Crew and Passengers:
75 Officers (64 minimum) 750.00
260 Crew (0 minimum) 1,820.00
60 Gunners (55 minimum) 420.00
25 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals 175.00

Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
70 Large Pulse Laser Nose 70(700)70(700)70(700) -- 700 420.00
70 Large Pulse Laser Nose 70(700)70(700)70(700) -- 700 420.00
12 LAMS* Nose -- -- -- -- 60 12.00
20 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 400 240.00
20 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 400 240.00
12 LAMS* L/RBS -- -- -- -- 120 24.00
20 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 400 240.00
20 Large Pulse Laser Aft 20(200)20(200)20(200) -- 200 120.00
12 LAMS* Aft -- -- -- -- 60 12.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.00%) 1,400.00
1 Large Naval Comm-Scanner 500.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS: Heat: 3,040 140,000.00
Tons Left: .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 9,400,184,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 86,107
Cost per BV: 109,168.64
Weapon Value: 77,007 (Ratio = .89)
Damage Factors: SRV = 2,844; MRV = 2,567; LRV = 1,348; ERV = 0
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 457,735
(150,030 Structure, 237,335 Life Support, 70,370 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 471,535 (103% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable

DarthRads · « **Reply #16 on:** 16 July 2011, 18:09:28 »

sceen launchers are probably a better representation of shields than laser ams...

DarthRads · « **Reply #17 on:** 17 July 2011, 00:28:38 »

I still have a problem with the number and placement of the weapons. The Defiant has never been shown to 'broadside'. [digs through books]Okay...according to the DS9 Tech Manual which is written by Rick Sternbach and Herman Zimmerman, both of whom are ST production designers, the Defiant has the following features (usable in battletech):

mass = 355 000t
Armamnet: 4xPulse Phaser Cannons (mounted facing forward above and below the nacelles); 2xTorpedo Launchers (also forward firing and mounted in the nacelles); Nose heavy warhead (one-shot device equal to six standard weapons)
Ablative armour and shields
4xshuttlepods
1xShuttle craft

Soooo....

lets give it 4x70pt LPLs (pulse phasers), two of the largest Sub Cap missile launchers (Q-Torps) and a
Kraken T (the heavy Warhead).

Some people think the ship has Phaser emmiter strips on the sides despite no evidence of them. If you want to include them, have twin HPPC turrets in the forward/broad/aft sides.

Defence
Shields = screen launcher in each arc
SI = 100 (better than the average Battleship)
Armour = Maximize

Thrust = 5/8 (6/9 would be better)

1 dropsahip and 4 shuttle bays.

Can someone knock this together? Is it even doable?

DarthRads · « **Reply #18 on:** 18 July 2011, 23:47:57 »

It can be squeezed in

Quote from: DarthRads on 17 July 2011, 00:28:38

I still have a problem with the number and placement of the weapons. The Defiant has never been shown to 'broadside'. [digs through books]Okay...according to the DS9 Tech Manual which is written by Rick Sternbach and Herman Zimmerman, both of whom are ST production designers, the Defiant has the following features (usable in battletech):

mass = 355 000t
Armamnet: 4xPulse Phaser Cannons (mounted facing forward above and below the nacelles); 2xTorpedo Launchers (also forward firing and mounted in the nacelles); Nose heavy warhead (one-shot device equal to six standard weapons)
Ablative armour and shields
4xshuttlepods
1xShuttle craft

Soooo....

lets give it 4x70pt LPLs (pulse phasers), two of the largest Sub Cap missile launchers (Q-Torps) and a
Kraken T (the heavy Warhead).

Some people think the ship has Phaser emmiter strips on the sides despite no evidence of them. If you want to include them, have twin HPPC turrets in the forward/broad/aft sides.

Defence
Shields = screen launcher in each arc
SI = 100 (better than the average Battleship)
Armour = Maximize

Thrust = 5/8 (6/9 would be better)

1 dropsahip and 4 shuttle bays.

Can someone knock this together? Is it even doable?

If you drop the SI to 80 and have 5/8 thrust

Jackmc · « **Reply #19 on:** 19 July 2011, 00:52:55 »

Quote from: ATN082268 on 06 March 2011, 16:34:12

and armor to take the hits while it closes.

Do tell, because to me it looks like the third solid hit to your strongest facing will kill it.

-Jackmc