Power is a goal. Pleasure is eternal. Welcome to Canopus.

[Star Captain]

Aw yes, the totally civil periphery, also who came up with the idea of catgirls in CANOPUS??

[jimdigris]

also who came up with the idea of catgirls in CANOPUS??

Just some fans.

[Star Captain]

Just some fans.

no way

[Daryk]

They're canonical as of that one particular illustration in the Companion...  ::)

[Coriendal]

Canopus is another periphery nation whose military bugs me.  They (in 3025) make a total of 50 locusts, stingers and wasps, 10 shadow hawks, manticores, sabre ASF and later the pike.

So much could be done with that.

They have a240 fusion engine from the manticore.  Convert a bug line to build a hermes II knock off.  Call it the Calliope and give it a srm 4, lrm 5 and large laser.  (yah, almost like the real one)

Then produce a 75 ton 3/5/3 mech called the Penthesilea with a large laser, PPC, ac 10 and 3 medium lasers.

Use that 180 ICE engine to build knock off goblin tanks and galleon tanks.  Pull the small lasers and put in either a srm4 in the turret or a 3 ton infantry bay.

Seriously so much better.

[Daryk]

Alphard is relatively close by for some J. Edgar goodness too...  8)

[Intermittent_Coherence]

They have a240 fusion engine from the manticore.  Convert a bug line to build a hermes II knock off.  Call it the Calliope and give it a srm 4, lrm 5 and large laser.  (yah, almost like the real one)

Then produce a 75 ton 3/5/3 mech called the Penthesilea with a large laser, PPC, ac 10 and 3 medium lasers.

Use that 180 ICE engine to build knock off goblin tanks and galleon tanks.  Pull the small lasers and put in either a srm4 in the turret or a 3 ton infantry bay.

Indications are that the Magistracy simply did not have the intellectual capital to undertake R&D of a new homegrown mech design from the ground up. Nor did they have the industrial capacity to build a factory for such. At least, not until the Trinity Alliance of the 3060s.

[Kit deSummersville]

Then produce a 75 ton 3/5/3 mech called the Penthesilea with a large laser, PPC, ac 10 and 3 medium lasers.

Sounds like it was designed by a crazy person.

[Coriendal]

It uses the 225 fusion of the Sabre ASF and closely matches the Penthesilea(modern) in weapons load out.  A 75 ton slow jumping "Marauder" is better than just a few 55 ton Shadow Hawks.

[Kit deSummersville]

What if you can make a dozen Shadow Hawks or one of these "Penthesileas"?

Or what if it's the Shadow Hawks or nothing?

What if you need to chase down pirates in Panthers and Vindicators?

[Intermittent_Coherence]

Yeah... Better off fiddling with the SHD's loadout to get more bang.
Or put same 225SFE in the SHD (weighs exactly the same as a 220SFE) to free up more tonnage.

[Daryk]

Now THAT is an angle far too little explored...  ^-^

[DOC_Agren]

Indications are that the Magistracy simply did not have the intellectual capital to undertake R&D of a new homegrown mech design from the ground up. Nor did they have the industrial capacity to build a factory for such. At least, not until the Trinity Alliance of the 3060s.

They may not have had the "brains" to do the R&D but they had the "intel services" to "borrow" that R&D from a number of places..  After all those traveling Pleasure Circuses are out there.

But then again, Before Merlin appeared in 3010 , it had been over 100 years for a fully new design Mech appears in the Battletech universe.  But then the builders were from the Outworlds Alliance of all places. 

[Intermittent_Coherence]

They may not have had the "brains" to do the R&D but they had the "intel services" to "borrow" that R&D from a number of places..  After all those traveling Pleasure Circuses are out there.

But then again, Before Merlin appeared in 3010 , it had been over 100 years for a fully new design Mech appears in the Battletech universe.  But then the builders were from the Outworlds Alliance of all places.

That's assuming anybody had some sort of parallel R&D program the MIM could crib off. There's no indication anybody had anything. Well, the FWL had the Liberator. But even if there was an R&D effort somewhere they could somehow copy wholesale, they still didn't have the industrial capability to build the factory from the ground up.

And the Merlin, while built in the OA... was built by a Lyran.

[Coriendal]

"Yeah... Better off fiddling with the SHD's loadout to get more bang.  Or put same 225SFE in the SHD (weighs exactly the same as a 220SFE) to free up more tonnage."

The easiest way to get more bang for the SHD's buck is to pull the SRM 2 and ammo and replace it with two ML's.  Now you can jump and fire all 3 ML's, run and add in the AC 5, or stand still and Alpha Strike, all without generating any heat.  Plus you finally get to use that extra Heat Sink that has been in there since they forgot to make LRM 5's have 3 heat in the very first book.  Why would 2 LRM 5's generate the same heat as a LRM 10 but use 1 ton less tonnage?

Putting a new engine in the SHD is a major rework, might as well retool a bug line to make a 75 ton frankenmech like the downgraded Penthesilea with a powerful direct fire capability.  Plus if you join the Andurien's in 3014 instead of waiting to 3030 you might actually make a viable state.  It would pair nicely with the Stalker the Andurien's make.

[wanderer25]

  The simplest way to get more out of the SHD would be to strip out the AC-5 and slap on one of those Parti-Kill ppc's they are already making  for the
Manticore  along with  2 extra heatsinks.

While you are at it' drop the SRM-2 for a 2nd ML and a jump jet  to boost  your range to 5 hexes!

[D351]

Finally home. Howdy, everybody. I'm new here.

[jimdigris]

Welcome to the club!

[jimdigris]

 :rant: I COMMAND THIS THREAD TO RISE FROM THE DEAD!!!  :rant:

Anyhow, Canopus now has 4 regiments heading for Alphard: the Third Canopian Cuirassiers, Second Canopian Light Horse, Markson's Marauders, and Gabrielle's Pride.  The Pride are all Republic veterans who survived combat with just about everyone and brought their equipment with them.  Given the revelation that in 3146, the Snow Ravens made contact with the MoC and left them three Blood Asps as a possible prelude to a longer term trading relationship, what degree do you think the task force is equipped with clantech?  What do you think are the odds that the task force can achieve regime change or completely mangle the MHAF?

[Baldur Mekorig]

:rant: I COMMAND THIS THREAD TO RISE FROM THE DEAD!!!  :rant:

Anyhow, Canopus now has 4 regiments heading for Alphard: the Third Canopian Cuirassiers, Second Canopian Light Horse, Markson's Marauders, and Gabrielle's Pride.  The Pride are all Republic veterans who survived combat with just about everyone and brought their equipment with them.  Given the revelation that in 3146, the Snow Ravens made contact with the MoC and left them three Blood Asps as a possible prelude to a longer term trading relationship, what degree do you think the task force is equipped with clantech?  What do you think are the odds that the task force can achieve regime change or completely mangle the MHAF?

Well, you can ask the last ones that tried to invaded Alphard.... ^-^

[Daryk]

While the Lothians will initially cheer the fall of the Marians, they'll be more than a little concerned by any 'bond' nonsense...  ::)

[Maelwys]

Tough to say. The Magistracy is using Clantech, and has access to a few designs that are seemingly sold all over.

We know from Empire Alone that the Canopian Brigade Command Company had clantech in it (pg 70 EA). I wouldn't expect there to be alot of it, but sprinkled through out is certainly possible.

As for them taking out the Marians..probably not. Considering the theme seems to be Balkanization rather than consolidation, I think its going to be a long fight.

[D-Rock]

:rant: I COMMAND THIS THREAD TO RISE FROM THE DEAD!!!  :rant:

Anyhow, Canopus now has 4 regiments heading for Alphard: the Third Canopian Cuirassiers, Second Canopian Light Horse, Markson's Marauders, and Gabrielle's Pride.  The Pride are all Republic veterans who survived combat with just about everyone and brought their equipment with them.  Given the revelation that in 3146, the Snow Ravens made contact with the MoC and left them three Blood Asps as a possible prelude to a longer term trading relationship, what degree do you think the task force is equipped with clantech?  What do you think are the odds that the task force can achieve regime change or completely mangle the MHAF?

They'll probably tucker themselves out after a planet or two. I mean, it only seems to happen every time.

What I want to know is if Niops will end up being on the Marian/Canopian warpath. That would make an interesting story.

[jimdigris]

They'll probably tucker themselves out after a planet or two. I mean, it only seems to happen every time.

Would you care to cite specific cases of "tuckering themselves out?"  The MoC just destroyed or captured an entire Marian Legion on Booker and forced another to retreat. With the mauling that the remaining four Marian Legions have experienced in the FWL, they may not have enough troops to repulse a Canopian offensive.

[D-Rock]

Would you care to cite specific cases of "tuckering themselves out?"  The MoC just destroyed or captured an entire Marian Legion on Booker and forced another to retreat. With the mauling that the remaining four Marian Legions have experienced in the FWL, they may not have enough troops to repulse a Canopian offensive.

In the sense that this is what happens with most major campaigns in battletech.

Yes, there are exceptions to the rules, and the scale varies depending on the size of the super powers, but for the most part there's fewer examples of an actual killing stroke. Amaris, the Terran Republic, but beyond that? Not much.

[Sartris]

The composition of the moc task force does not seem like it’s designed to end the hegemony. Show up, break as much stuff as possible, leave

[tassa_kay]

Generally speaking, isn't that kinda how things are done in BattleTech? If everyone showed up delivering killing strokes, we'd all be Davions by now.

[Sartris]

Circinus and St Ives would disagree but  xp

[tassa_kay]

Circinus and St Ives would disagree but  xp

I forget sometimes that I have to specify things like “exceptions to the rule” in this nitpicky crowd.  ;D

[Sartris]

I mostly pointed those two out because they were in a similar peer group as the Marians and got dead for various reasons