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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #330 on: 03 June 2013, 20:28:58 »
Is it just me or does most of the Clan tech have the names of FedSuns manufacturers?
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #331 on: 03 June 2013, 20:36:23 »
The mech designs are varied and interesting. What I did notice is that the FedSuns didn't get an OMG visit from Battle Armor Santa Claus like the CC and DC did.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #332 on: 03 June 2013, 20:37:50 »
The Sortek Assault Craft is now one of favorite hovercraft and it isn't even Capellan.......

Destrier Siege Vehicle is plain scary

CH11-NG Gunsmith Battlemech is awesome, but the engine is........ expensive

LK-3D Antlion, best looking IS Quad, period.....
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #333 on: 03 June 2013, 20:38:04 »
Just going by what's in the preview PDF, I'd be interested to see if the Foxhunt will be mentioned in Field Manual: 3145.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #334 on: 03 June 2013, 20:44:34 »
So what the heck is the Destrier Siege Vehicle towing?
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #335 on: 03 June 2013, 20:44:48 »
Templar III did it for me. Love the art and stats. Great work. Love it.

Black Knight is siick good, but heat an XL should keep this in check. Maybe.

Fed Suns got lots o' love... O0
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #336 on: 03 June 2013, 20:45:42 »
Quote from: ColBosch on 03 June 2013, 20:22:28
I'd argue that these XXLs are being used exactly as they should be: to allow paradigms that are otherwise impossible. Even then, they're for rather niche units. The two upgraded rank-and-file machines - the Centurion (and who the hell ever imagined that it was an omni?) and Templar III (and what is a Templar II, then?) are freaking solid.

All the IIIs are a result of another national pride trick like Victor used a century before.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #337 on: 03 June 2013, 20:47:07 »
I'm pretty meh on most of it, but I do love the Antlion. Nice to see mortars getting some love.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #338 on: 03 June 2013, 20:47:17 »
Quote from: bblaney on 03 June 2013, 20:44:34
So what the heck is the Destrier Siege Vehicle towing?

The Ballista trailer in the RS section.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #339 on: 03 June 2013, 20:49:26 »
Quote from: MadCapellan on 03 June 2013, 20:47:17
The Ballista trailer in the RS section.

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #340 on: 03 June 2013, 20:49:40 »
  I'd be curious to see full specs on these 'Re-engineered lasers', myself, because I'm not sure I'm seeing any up-side to them at the moment.  Two crits, 2.5 tons, 7 heat, and only 3/6/9 range?  That's a lot of compromises for the sake of a one-point increase in damage; unless they have advantages that haven't been revealed yet, I'd think you'd be better off mounting pairs of AoW-style MLs....  :-\
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #341 on: 03 June 2013, 20:49:53 »
The Destrier!  :o

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #342 on: 03 June 2013, 20:50:46 »
Quote from: MarauderD on 03 June 2013, 20:36:23
The mech designs are varied and interesting. What I did notice is that the FedSuns didn't get an OMG visit from Battle Armor Santa Claus like the CC and DC did.

See Hauberk and Grenadier.  TRO3075 :P
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #343 on: 03 June 2013, 20:52:36 »
Quote from: ColBosch on 03 June 2013, 20:22:28
I'd argue that these XXLs are being used exactly as they should be: to allow paradigms that are otherwise impossible. Even then, they're for rather niche units. The two upgraded rank-and-file machines - the Centurion (and who the hell ever imagined that it was an omni?) and Templar III (and what is a Templar II, then?) are freaking solid.

my bet:

Templar I: The original FCCW Era Templar
Templar II: The rebuilt templar line after it was destroyed
Templar III: What we got here.

Also, I'll note that the difference between the I and II might just be cosmetic. It might not even be called II, afterall we get the Enforcer, the upgraded 3050 enforcer isn't called II, but then we get an Enforcer III.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #344 on: 03 June 2013, 20:53:09 »
Quote from: Jellico on 03 June 2013, 20:50:46
See Hauberk and Grenadier.  TRO3075 :P

Yeah, no need.... what they got was solid enough.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #345 on: 03 June 2013, 20:53:31 »
Quote from: Trace Coburn on 03 June 2013, 20:49:40
  I'd be curious to see full specs on these 'Re-engineered lasers', myself, because I'm not sure I'm seeing any up-side to them at the moment.  Two crits, 2.5 tons, 7 heat, and only 3/6/9 range?  That's a lot of compromises for the sake of a one-point increase in damage; unless they have advantages that haven't been revealed yet, I'd think you'd be better off mounting pairs of AoW-style MLs....  :-\

The text says they offer advantages against reflective armor, so I'm guessing they ignore it as well as doing 6 damage. This may not seem like much for timelines before 3145, but reflective armor is actually used a fair amount so far in 3145.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #346 on: 03 June 2013, 20:55:15 »
 So, my one-word exclamation for this TRO would be...What? There are some very good designs, but overall the TRO confuse me a lot on the in-universe choices the manufacterers and the AFFS quatermasters did.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #347 on: 03 June 2013, 20:55:43 »
Quote from: Dragon Cat on 03 June 2013, 20:03:50
Found the reason for the Federated Suns has recently failed...

1st) spending money on XXL Engines

2nd) spending money on Clan tech on Mechs with XXL Engines

Interesting notes

Re-engineered lasers??

Radical Heat Sink systems??

Impressions first flick through - some interesting looking units but disappointed to see the XXLs being so prevalent interesting new tech

Nice new Omnis - Zibler - awesome, Centurion about time and takes all the DA variants into one, Templar III nice upgrade

Artwork is top notch throughout - don't like a couple but they all look awesome

EDIT: The K2 Atlas III in the back is just nasty now that is a proper Atlas III

Since when has money been a hindrance for fedrats?
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #348 on: 03 June 2013, 21:03:25 »
And the the DA centurion shows up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So happy right now, that was my fav DA design when I first got into the universe via clix!
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #349 on: 03 June 2013, 21:07:37 »
Well, with the focus on defense, it makes more sense to operate with a smaller and better equipped force. So, that could be why we're seeing a larger number of higher tech in this TRO. Whether that translates to overall smaller army or not, distributed via LCTs, remains to be seen in FM3145.

I like the art here better than in the previous two TRs. They're my kinda 'Mechs... uhh, don't tell the ISF.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #350 on: 03 June 2013, 21:12:34 »
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #351 on: 03 June 2013, 21:14:51 »
Quote from: MarauderD on 03 June 2013, 20:36:23
The mech designs are varied and interesting. What I did notice is that the FedSuns didn't get an OMG visit from Battle Armor Santa Claus like the CC and DC did.

As Jellico and Savage Coyote pointed towards, the AFFS already have a solid battle armor repetoire, so you're going to see more flavor pieces and/or niche units to fill the remaining gaps rather than modern replacements for existing units.

The AFFS lacked a heavily armored anvil and that's where the Fusilier stomps in, while the Sea Fox provides the Suns with a capability effectively unique among the Inner Sphere Houses. Of course, the Sea Fox is very much a niche unit, just like the Undine, but in some games it can be a major player. From what I recall talking with jymset - and I'm tired from 11 hours at work, so I'm sorry but I'm a little hazy here - the PAB fulfils the hints given in earlier publications, plus it's a nice flavor piece (I can't ever really take PA(L)s seriously lol).
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #352 on: 03 June 2013, 21:16:27 »
there are a lot of appearances I do not care for in this book. Mind you, I think the art is well executed, I just don't like the appearance of some of the mechs. it feels like "TRO 3145: weird heads" to me.

I love the Centurion stats-wise, but it looks NOTHING like a centurion ought to. which is a failling of the darkage mech figure, not the artist's rendition.

the Vulpes and Gunsmith are just too rounded for my tastes.

I love the Templar III though!
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #353 on: 03 June 2013, 21:33:46 »
Art wise, this is the best 3145 TRO yet.  O0

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #354 on: 03 June 2013, 21:41:32 »
What's the load out on the Atlas?
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #355 on: 03 June 2013, 21:43:47 »
That Gunsmith looks awesome. If it were an Omnimech, I'd say it completely surpasses the Fire Moth.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #356 on: 03 June 2013, 21:45:09 »
Quote from: SCC on 03 June 2013, 21:41:32
What's the load out on the Atlas?

fancy heatsinks, streak lrm and srms, xpulse lasers and RAC/2.

Or you can go for the -D2 variant, which trades in the fancy heatsinks and RAC/2 for a HAG/30 and tcomp.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #357 on: 03 June 2013, 21:46:08 »
Quote from: Nerroth on 03 June 2013, 20:38:04
Just going by what's in the preview PDF, I'd be interested to see if the Foxhunt will be mentioned in Field Manual: 3145.

I do not like the sound of this hunt. Additionally, The Sea Fox and the Vulpes are Federated Designs that we had nothing to do with!?!?
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #358 on: 03 June 2013, 21:46:46 »
Quote from: SteveRestless on 03 June 2013, 21:45:09
fancy heatsinks, streak lrm and srms, xpulse lasers and RAC/2.

Or you can go for the -D2 variant, which trades in the fancy heatsinks and RAC/2 for a HAG/30 and tcomp.

You forgot the Small Shields on the RAC/2 variant..
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #359 on: 03 June 2013, 21:47:46 »
Quote from: Fat Guy on 03 June 2013, 21:33:46
Art wise, this is the best 3145 TRO yet.  O0

David White ran the whole book. Surprising. The others are done by multiple artists
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