TRO 3145--Federated Suns

[Kitsune413]

Its nice to see all the Fedsuns fans that know that they are just to pretty to die.  :) I'm glad you aren't being an unvocal majority anymore.

[Banzai]

I looked at the Vulpes (literally saw the art), saw the clan er larges, saw the speed (with masc!), saw the stealth and went "Awesome!"
Then I saw the heat.  Soooo close to awesome.
(Note, I still really like the Vulpes, but seeing the heat on it was a crash from a real high place..)

Bah.  Having melted many a RFL-4D Rifleman into pools of molten slag, the Vulpes is like a Popsicle in Alaska...

[Banzai]

Its nice to see all the Fedsuns fans that know that they are just to pretty to die.  :) I'm glad you aren't being an unvocal majority anymore.

We are too pretty to die.  There is something about 3145 that makes me aim to misbehave. 

[SCC]

Its nice to see all the Fedsuns fans that know that they are just to pretty to die.  :) I'm glad you aren't being an unvocal majority anymore.

It's a flaw in the way the system works with regards to scatter shot damage, it affects VTOL Rotors as well and any thing else that uses damage reduction mechanics

And I had a thought for Weirdo for the next Boondongles, Tanks with shields

[FedSunsBorn]

Looks to that nearby Vulpes "Look at that chiseled jaw, huh? Come on!"

[Weirdo]

I'd use that shield at long range, actually. Stick with the guns from the opposite arm for as long as possible until the enemies get too close or the shield gets shot up. Only then do you go passive or inacgive, and let rip with your full arsenal.

And I had a thought for Weirdo for the next Boondongles, Tanks with shields

Why would it be a Boondoggle? It really works! Look up Schurzen on wikipedia, or the modern equivalent used against RPGs.

[ColBosch]

Why would it be a Boondoggle? It really works! Look up Schurzen on wikipedia, or the modern equivalent used against RPGs.

Spaced armor works really well against the Monroe Effect (I never get tired of using that phrase) and similar warheads, such as explosively-formed projectiles (that one, too). However, those shields are light frameworks, just sturdy enough to set off the projectile without weighing down the vehicle to the point that it'd be better to just, you know, add more real armor. The idea is that the warhead strikes the stand-off, explodes, but the plasma jet or EFP can't form properly and splashes relatively harmlessly off the vehicle's main body. BattleTech shields are massive, cumbersome things that seem to work by directly absorbing a great deal of force; they work against lasers and PPCs just as well as they work against autocannons and missiles. So the comparison seems apt, but is flawed.

[SCC]

Weirdo, the rules won't let you mount a shield on a tank

[Welshman]

Weirdo, the rules won't let you mount a shield on a tank

The definition of a Boondoggles is a unit that is not legal.

[Weirdo]

Yeah modern 'shields' wouldn't do jack to Battletech weaponry(maybe a laser), but does that mean that it's completely impossible to mount a heavy shield on the side of a 100-ton tank?

(I'll admit that the discussion is moot: Until we get new rules that say otherwise, the answer to my question is an obvious 'Yes'.)

[ColBosch]

Yeah modern 'shields' wouldn't do jack to Battletech weaponry(maybe a laser), but does that mean that it's completely impossible to mount a heavy shield on the side of a 100-ton tank?

(I'll admit that the discussion is moot: Until we get new rules that say otherwise, the answer to my question is an obvious 'Yes'.)

It'll add its armor rating to that side, sure, but shields are remarkably poor protection-to-tonnage-wise. They make sense for a BattleMech with its severely limited maximum possible armor...ha ha, did I just say that when Hardened exists?

Anyway, I don't like shields. But I can't see how, even as a Boondoggle, someone would weld them onto a tank.

[tapdancingbeavers]

Anyway, I don't like shields. But I can't see how, even as a Boondoggle, someone would weld them onto a tank.

The Testudo Siege Tank in TRO3145 Mercs has nine of them!  :D

[ColBosch]

The Testudo Siege Tank in TRO3145 Mercs has nine of them!  :D

I'm not talking to you anymore.

[Nahuris]

If you're relying on the Destrier to TAG something, you have made a series of extremely poor tactical choices.

Or you put the tag on it's own 360 mini-turret --- and you use it as a threat .... rush me, and get tagged and bagged.... or stay away, and get pounded......

Nahuris

[StCptMara]

One thing kind of confuses me about the Paladin:
What is up with the "looking down from above...right into the Barrels" view?

[Stormforge]

Great TRO!   O0

Gunsmith is kinda bugging me though. Personally I would downgrade to an XL w/Supercharger, 4 ER Mediums w/TC and either an extra Double Heat Sink, TAG, or C3 Slave. Keeps the same speed and armor and a lot cheaper, 7.8 million vs. 13.5 million C-bills.

[Nahuris]

We are too pretty to die.  There is something about 3145 that makes me aim to misbehave.

If you play MWO --- we do have a unit, Browncoats and Independents ... and yes, I am a member.....LOL

As for Davion --- I did like some bits of them, the Light Mech attack during the 4th on Kathil --- and the fast strike mentality of the early 3060's with the Fireball and the Dart ---- to be honest, the only faction I ever really consistently played was the ELH.  Then again, if you were ever to take my forces on, in a game, you will note that 45% of them are lights, and 35% mediums, with my Assaults being only 5% of what I field.....  I can put a company of 20 tonners out there, and only have one lance of bugs......

Currently, I am rather interested in seeing how Davion is going to recover ---- it not only makes for great battles, but I actually might even put together a force to play around with.....  Besides, I am just dying to paint up a company of Krugers in desert colors and used them ala Rat Patrol on some Kurita forces......

In the end, each house has it's strengths, and weaknesses --- and sometimes, one will get an advantage --- for the Cappies... pride cometh before the fall, and the higher you are, the more painful the sudden stop ........

Nahuris

[Mecha-Anchovy]

Its nice to see all the Fedsuns fans that know that they are just to pretty to die.  :)

Aww, did you have to get your Periphery all over my Federated Suns? Firefly references are for unwashed Periphery thugs, not a great house! :P

[Coldwyn]

Question: Is it a good idea to have a Ballista tow a Ballista? Brownie points to those who can figure out what I just said.

Well, I guess it´s possible, as the Destrier masses 200 tons.

[Aldous]

In the end, each house has it's strengths, and weaknesses --- and sometimes, one will get an advantage --- for the Cappies... pride cometh before the fall, and the higher you are, the more painful the sudden stop ........

Nahuris

FYI... Capellans do not have any pride and barely any honor. We want what's ours and we do what it takes to get them.

[ColBosch]

Well, I guess it´s possible, as the Destrier masses 200 tons.

Making it move 1/2...which it would anyway, with one Ballista.

SRSLY, if nobody does a scenario between one of those monsters and a bunch of PA(L), Savannah Masters, Goblins, and the like, I will.

[Coldwyn]

Making it move 1/2...which it would anyway, with one Ballista.

SRSLY, if nobody does a scenario between one of those monsters and a bunch of PA(L), Savannah Masters, Goblins, and the like, I will.

Keep it classic, be the first to actually flesh out the famed "Scorpion Swarm" training scenario.

[ColBosch]

Keep it classic, be the first to actually flesh out the famed "Scorpion Swarm" training scenario.

The what now? I'm referring to something completely different.

Edit: But yeah, Scorpions would work better than Goblins. Let's see...Hunters as MT, Heavy Hover APCs as GEV-PCs...

[Coldwyn]

The what now?

Missremembered the name. It´s "Scorpion´s Nest".
In the original entry of the scorpion light tank, a battle is mentioned where a Kurita force gets swarmed by several platoons of scorpions while trying to take out a pirate base. It´s mentioned that this was later adapted as a training scenario for training mech pilots how to engage a swarm.

[SCC]

Actually as the Destrier's main weapons are AoE and can target hexes instead of units it should fare well against units like infantry and Savannah Masters

And you guys missed my joke, http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2014/manticore-the-ballista

[Alexander Knight]

The what now? I'm referring to something completely different.

Edit: But yeah, Scorpions would work better than Goblins. Let's see...Hunters as MT, Heavy Hover APCs as GEV-PCs...

Arrow IV trailers as the howitzers?

[StCptMara]

So...I just finished entering the Centurion and its configurations into SSW. Man, that thing has some nice
configurations. It is almost forgivable for having an XL engine instead of a light Engine. But, I guess that
is the proce for upgrading it from a 4/6 to a 5/8, right?  I also find it interesting that the answer to the AH
is a Gauss Rifle, while the AL counterpart is a Heavy PPC. And the D? I would so NOT want to get fighting that
thing in close...Uses up the LRMs while closing, and then uses the Hatcher and ER Mediums to open up holes for
that EVIL MML 9 to exploit? OUCH!

[RyuWanderfalke]

I'm glad you aren't being an unvocal majority anymore.

That statement is as undemocratic as I've ever seen one. You don't have any statistics to support your claim so how would you know without simply insolently claiming how the majority thinks, especially if they are supposedely unvocal?
Frankly, I don't care much for the FS, but your statement... wow.

btw, the FedSuns fans have been VERY vocal, you guys are just looking at the wrong place and time.
Try the Successor states sub-forum instead.

[StCptMara]

That statement is as undemocratic as I've ever seen one. You don't have any statistics to support your claim so how would you know without simply insolently claiming how the majority thinks, especially if they are supposedely unvocal?
Frankly, I don't care much for the FS, but your statement... wow.

btw, the FedSuns fans have been VERY vocal, you guys are just looking at the wrong place and time.
Try the Successor states sub-forum instead.

Oh? So we need to go down there and listen to them whining about how their faction is getting hurt, and they can't stand it
and are going to take their ball and go home if the Suns doesn't become the all important faction? Since, you are saying that
the Suns fans who are actually looking forward to the challenge are in the minority...why would anyone want to go into such
a gathering of Gloom, Doom, Despair?

We had been seeing only about 3 FedSuns fans commenting in here until someoen actually said something about it, and that
was pretty much their sentiment: "TPTB hate the Suns, and if things don't change int he very next book, we are going to
quit the game." They were griping about how horrible some of the bloody BEST units for the Suns preferred Combined Arms
doctrine were not what they would use. But, you are saying those three posters are indicitive of the MAJORITY of the Davion
Fans on the forums? When we were putting forth hope that they were just a very vocal majority, and that people like
Rorke were the "non-vocal minority" are actually the minority?

[RyuWanderfalke]

Since, you are saying that the Suns fans who are actually looking forward to the challenge are in the minority...why would anyone want to go into such a gathering of Gloom, Doom, Despair?

I'm no native speaker, but I'm pretty sure I did not say what you claim I said.
So please don't put words in my mouth I didn't say, thank you.

What I said is that there is no empiric data to suggest what the "unvocal majority" of FedSuns supporters think.
If you require that data, then please by all means, just start a poll.