TRO 3145--Federated Suns

[Martius]

I really enjoyed this TRO, and I thought I wouldn't.  I feel like this TRO fleshes out the depth of the modern AFFS in a way they weren't in the past.  New doctrines besides "put long ranged guns on it" are emerging.  The BA is very interesting, especially given the high watermark set by the Grenadier.  It's almost as if the AFFS took time to do things interesting for a change, instead of just awesome.

As I see it they have the basics covered already and now can get a few specialized designs like a Sea Fox or the Pab. The Fusilier is the brick to compete with Kanazuchis or Ravagers.

[False Son]

The reflective armor on the Fusilier surprised me.  Especially since the Zou in DC is basically a weird matchup for the FWL Kopis.

The artwork is also impressive.  The Gun Smith is as nice looking as it is a good design.

[Tai Dai Cultist]

About the Fusilier...

As we learned in the TRO:Kurita thread, don't forget the reflective armor comes without its horrible drawbacks when mounted on battle armor.  All gain, no pain!

[Lord Harlock]

Ok, let's bring it back.


I really enjoyed this TRO, and I thought I wouldn't.  I feel like this TRO fleshes out the depth of the modern AFFS in a way they weren't in the past.  New doctrines besides "put long ranged guns on it" are emerging.  The BA is very interesting, especially given the high watermark set by the Grenadier.  It's almost as if the AFFS took time to do things interesting for a change, instead of just awesome.

"Interesting"! That is the word that I never want to hear coming from a girl on a date. Great the Suns is now in the same level of hell as my love life; it's doomed.

Honestly, there is plenty of awesome in the book with a lot of bonehead ideas as well coming from the Capellan March. Taking Victoria really made them think that they were invincible with their ideas such as the Hanse MBT which can be awesome if you know how to use it which is basically drive straight at the enemy then turn with supercharger. And then repeat. The problem is apparently the Warrior's Hall graduates didn't know how to use them without turrets.

Though an interesting thing (and not the way that girls talk about a guy that they are being nice to) is that Kallon Industries probably took over the Earthwerks factory on Victoria(CC) according to the Paladin write-up. We know that Earthwerks facilities on Tikonov were under Earthwerks under the Republic from materials from MWDA that presented in universe advertisements. So, there might be little trust between the Suns and Earthwerks.

[False Son]

I actually meant interesting as a compliment.  Granted, it is wrapped around the reality that most of this TRO's stuff is sub optimal.  But dare I say, it has me interested in playing.... AFFS.

Or at least playing against them.  I could not say that before.

[Kitsune413]

I actually meant interesting as a compliment.  Granted, it is wrapped around the reality that most of this TRO's stuff is sub optimal.  But dare I say, it has me interested in playing.... AFFS.

Or at least playing against them.  I could not say that before.

Zibler is built on Terra for you. For at least as long as you can keep Terra from the Wolves.  :)

[FedSunsBorn]

I finally looked more in-depth over the variant's and I definitely am liking the D3 Hollander III.  }:)

Tar-Comp, ER-PPC, supporting laser battery, Angel ECM and an increased speed of 6-9(12)....yes, I like it alot.   8)

Also, did anyone else wonder why the Black Knight never got a variant with a sword or hatchet? It already has the shield installed...oh well, guess that what customs are for.

[ColBosch]

There is a Black Knight with a hatchet in the Tukayyid sourcebook.

[Coldwyn]

Also, did anyone else wonder why the Black Knight never got a variant with a sword or hatchet? It already has the shield installed...oh well, guess that what customs are for.

The first reaction to that loadout would be a collective "Banzai!" over the open comms channel and every wannabe Samurai charging straight at the BK.

[FedSunsBorn]

Exactly, I call it baiting the trap but you can call it whatever you want.  >:D

[FedSunsBorn]

There is a Black Knight with a hatchet in the Tukayyid sourcebook.

I remember that one awhile back, you are correct but I guess you could consider this Black Knight to be the Black Knight II instead of the I with all of its star league, and 3050+ variants. Considering the naming of the Hollander and Templar I am surprised the BK didn't get something as well...we Davions do like our numbers.

[Flaresnake]

As I see it they have the basics covered already and now can get a few specialized designs like a Sea Fox or the Pab. The Fusilier is the brick to compete with Kanazuchis or Ravagers.

isn't that what the Grenadier and Hauberk are for?

[FedSunsBorn]

isn't that what the Grenadier and Hauberk are for?

Considering the low armor on both of those suits, I would have to say no, not really. I always saw both of those as offense first, defense second kinda designs.

[Flaresnake]

didn't think of that [metalhealth]

[FedSunsBorn]

It's all good.  O0

Off hand, I wouldn't know the strengths and weaknesses of many faction units that aren't my own.

[Hussar2]

I seem to recall that there was some foreshadowing in an earlier product about what would become the PAB 28. Can someone remind me where it's from?

[Gaiiten]

The Military Hardware the FedSun have are mostly excellent, hoever, the changes they did to their Military structure has had the most grave consequenses.
IMHO especially the LCTs are a failure. And they they seemingly are not capable to adapt to the new situation post-Grey Monday..

[StCptMara]

The Military Hardware the FedSun have are mostly excellent, hoever, the changes they did to their Military structure has had the most grave consequenses.
IMHO especially the LCTs are a failure. And they they seemingly are not capable to adapt to the new situation post-Grey Monday..

LCTs were a good concept: Units that they knew they could move to where they needed to go. Where they ran into the
problem is that, with HPGs down, they cannot easily know where they need to send those LCTs in time fo rhtem to do any
good. Even with black boxes, it could take a few days for the word to reach the right people, then a few days to coordinate
the jumps, then a couple days to make the jumps(as they have to jump, then switch jumpships to jump again). By that time,
a planet could already have more or less fallen, or the Confederation or Combine could have reinforcements arriving and ready.
With the HPGs down, frankly, the universe favors an attacker more then it favors a defender right now. Davion's Castle Doctrine
is, in practice, similar to the Confederation's Elastic Defense doctrine, and is proving to be as effective at dealing with multiple
waves of attacks..

[Aldous]

FYI... the CCAF Elastic Defense Strategy was designed for the 3rd SW and it worked very well. Hanse Davion planned the 4th SW specifically to defeat the Elastic Defense and he had to strip the Fed Suns to do it.

[Mecha-Anchovy]

With the HPGs down, frankly, the universe favors an attacker more then it favors a defender right now.

I thought that was the intention? The blackout created a situation where it's very easy to attack, difficult to defend, and there's this sort of piranha feeding frenzy going in while the states that got off the mark first (in this case, the Falcons, Wolves, Capellans, and Combine; the Lyrans also got off quickly but rapidly faceplanted) brutally savage everyone else (particularly the Republic, Lyrans, and Suns).

It will be interesting to see what happens when the network goes back up.

[MadCapellan]

FYI... the CCAF Elastic Defense Strategy was designed for the 3rd SW and it worked very well. Hanse Davion planned the 4th SW specifically to defeat the Elastic Defense and he had to strip the Fed Suns to do it.

It also relied on battalion sized garrisons, splitting regiments between two or more locations for maximum coverage.

[marauder648]

Got to ask. The Prey Seeker - what on earth is a medium re-engineered laser? Any different stats to a medium laser in terms of damage/range etch other than being bulky and heavy?

[Adam Vagus]

IIRC, it ignores the effects of reflective armor.

[marauder648]

Ahh okay, where can I find info on it?

[DarkISI]

Ahh okay, where can I find info on it?

Information on Re-Engineered Lasers and other new technologies throughout the 3145 TROs will show up in Field Manual: 3145

[marauder648]

Information on Re-Engineered Lasers and other new technologies throughout the 3145 TROs will show up in Field Manual: 3145

Ah hah lovely! :)

[Decoy]

It also relied on battalion sized garrisons, splitting regiments between two or more locations for maximum coverage.

Not to mention it pretty much involved Pavel Ridzik doing his best to concentrate any power he could in his own hands.

[StCptMara]

It will be interesting to see what happens when IFthe network goes back up.

Fixed that for you.

[disgruntled]

Information on Re-Engineered Lasers and other new technologies throughout the 3145 TROs will show up in Field Manual: 3145

The weapon stats at least are on the record sheets at the end.  Not sure about any other special rules though.

[MadCapellan]

Not to mention it pretty much involved Pavel Ridzik doing his best to concentrate any power he could in his own hands.

I think that that had anything to do with elastic defense doctrine, just typical power-jockeying.  See: March Lords, District Warlords, House Cameron-Jones